the real business which comes under their control, and that they are largely responsible for the manner in which they conduct that business. If this clause is passed you will diminish that responsibility. If you go too far in laying down what they shall do you will weaken the authority of the county councils very seriously, and the result will be that you will not get men of the same position and the same knowledge to take part in the management of the various matters which come under the administration of the county councils. I am afraid there has, to some extent, lately risen in the country-I observe it in speeches that I have read-a desire, which I very much deprecate, that lunatic asylums should be placed under the direct control of the Government. I should regard that as a great calamity. We could not do worse than increase the functions of the Government with regard to local affairs. The Government having successfully established very useful and important bodies throughout the country for the management of local affairs, I feel very indisposed to limit in any way the discretion which these bodies now enjoy.

(Scotland) Bill. 350 maintenance of lunatics. It is very of the population from one portion of desirable that the county councils should a town or district to another. In some feel that they have entrusted to them towns of Scotland the divisions of parishes, and the sites of the churches which belong to them, have become extremely unsuitable to modern requirements. I think perhaps the most conspicuous instance of this is to be found in the city of Edinburgh. At the Reformation I believe the population of Edinburgh consisted of 50,000 persons. Even in the middle of last century the whole area of the city, which was comprised within the city walls was not more than half a mile square, but that small area was divided into ten parishes, each parish having a church. All but one of these churches still remain, that one having been not very many years ago removed under a special Act of Parlia ment to an outlying district to which the population had gone. Under Clause 2 of the Bill it will be competent, as opportunity arises, to remove some of the churches in the Old Town to localities to which the inhabitants have removed. The same thing is true, although not to There are at least five churches in disso great an extent, of the city of Glasgow. tricts which were at one time residential, but are now occupied almost entirely by warehouses and business premises. These churches might, with great propriety, under proper regulations and restrictions, be removed to the districts to which the population has gone. The third clause of the Bill provides for the case of parishes quoad sacra, the endowments of which have been provided from funds subscribed voluntarily in recent times. I am afraid I cannot say that many of these churches possess much architectural beauty, and their loss would not be severely felt. Some of them are in districts from which, owing to the working out of minerals or other cause, the population has either already removed or is likely soon to do so. It is proposed to give power, where a church is no longer required in such a place, to remove the endowments to another locality, within

Bill read a second time.

PARISH CHURCHES (SCOTLAND) BILL. *THE SECRETARY FOR SCOTLAND (Lord BALFOUR of BURLEIGH): My Lords, I beg to move the Second Reading of the Parish Churches (Scotland) Bill. I need occupy but a very few minutes of your Lordships' time in explaining the provisions of this short Bill. The principal object which we have in view is to adapt the ecclesiastical arrangements of parishes in Scotland to the changes which have taken place, and which to a considerable extent are still taking place, from time to time, owing to the large extension of towns, and to the migration

the same Presbytery, or adjoining thereto, so that endowments given for the benefit of the district will not be removed to a distance. Provision is also made for consulting the wishes of the original subscribers to the endowments. The last clause of the Bill deals with those few churches in Scotland in which there still

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Thursday, 5th May 1898.

MR. SPEAKER took the Chair at

COUNCIL).

THE COMPTROLLER OF THE HOUSE

HOLD (Lord ARTHUR W. HILL, Down, W.) reported Her Majesty's Answer to the humble Address of the 19th April, as

followeth :

exists a most peculiar arrangement which Three of the Clock. is known as collegiate charges. That means that in the parish there is a church in which two ministers preach- MILITARY MANŒUVRES (ORDER IN one in the morning and one in the afternoon. In fact, they are joint ministers of the parish. Human nature, being what it is, this is not an arrangement which usually leads to harmony, and the only matter for surprise in regard to this arrangement is not that we should now propose to seek power to amend it, but that it should have continued so long as it has. There are 21 of these collegiate charges, and it is proposed that upon each occasion of a vacancy occurring in a collegiate charge. the arrangements may be revised in the interests of the church and parish. The machinery for carrying out the provisions of the Bill is partly to be used at the discretion of the ecclesiastical authorities, but under the final decision of the Courts of Teinds. I cannot conceive that there can be any real objection to the proposals contained in this Bill, which I now move be read a second time.

Bill read a second time.

I have received your Address praying that I will make the Order in Council under the Military Manoeuvres Act, 1897, a draft of which was presented to your House on the 17th February last.

I will comply with your advice.

PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS.

CUSTOMS OFFICES

(SOUTHAMPTON)

BILL.

COPYRIGHT BILL [H.L.] AND

Re-committed to a Committee of the whole House for Monday next.

CUSTOMS AND OTHER OFFICES (BARRY DOCK) BILL.

As amended, re-committed to a ComCOPYRIGHT (AMENDMENT) BILL. [H.L.]mittee of the whole House for Monday Select Committee appointed consisting next, and to be printed. [Bill 199.] of the following noble Lords:

LOCAL GOVERNMENT (IRELAND)

The Committee to appoint their own PROVISIONAL ORDERS (No. 2) BILL. chairman.

Ordered, That the Bill be read a

House adjourned at 4.55. second time To-morrow.

The Secretary for Scotland.

CHIPSTEAD VALLEY RAILWAY BILL.

[H.L.]

CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY IN IRELAND.

Against, from Forfar and Arbroath;

Read the third time, and passed, with to lie upon the Table.

Amendments.

Newlyn West, Brea, Bossullow, Dowran,

In favour, from Birmingham and Nanquidno, Bojewyan, Moroah, St. Just,

In favour, from St. Ives and Leith; to ley, St. Leonard's, Glasgow (3), Brierfield lie upon the Table.