here. I have been in this matter and others with him and know that what he proposes usually has merit. I am not so sanguine as to the immediate salutary effect of this measure, but it is worth trying. It ought to be said, however, that this is not the first time I have had some difficulty in following the logic of a lawyer who practices in Manhattan and lives in Brooklyn, as I believe my distinguished friend here does. He says the people do not have anything to do with this matter under the system as it now prevails and therefore they are helpless in Manhattan. Then he said in Brooklyn the people knocked out the plan the boss formed. So they do seem to have something to say where he lives. Seriously speaking, they are the ones to blame for this matter. It seems that the representative of Mr. Murphy in Brooklyn was not able to deliver the goods there even under the existing system, and I doubt very much, although I am going to vote for it, whether under any system we are going to get relief until we get a majority of the people to demand it and to be insistent upon it.

Mr. Wilcox:

Mr. President, I do not wish to speak again if any other gentleman does, but I would like to say a word in closing.

The President:

I think we should have the resolution as it now stands.

Mr. Wilcox:

I will read the resolution as it now stands. I agree with Mr. Fleischmann, this whole matter is up to the people, in a way. The people make bosses by submitting to the domination of bosses. But this is an effort to weaken the

immediate control of bosses. I agree with Mr. Fleischmann that where the bosses do force an unfit candidate on the people, whether in New York City or Western New York, they can rise up and defeat that candidate, by a violent effort. We have illustrations of that, but it is a very rare result. Ordinarily, nine times out of ten, a Democratic nomination here in New York City, or a Republican nomination in Western New York, means an election.

The resolution as it now stands, coming from the committee, and with the addition made by Mr. Hinrichs, will read as follows:

Resolved, That the Bar Association again reaffirm its position on this subject, and direct its proper representatives to urge even more strongly upon the present Legislature the passage of a measure honestly designed and tending to take our Judges out of politics, and to free them from some of their present political obligations, on the lines of the bill herewith presented.

"Resolved further, That the Association continue the life of the present special committee, with instructions to impress on the Governor the importance of furthering the passage of the bill proposed by the committee, by advocating it in a special message to the present Legislature."

The resolution was then put to vote and unanimously adopted.

The President:

Gentlemen, before adjournment I wish to make some announcements. In the first place, the paper on "Judgments," which was listed for this afternoon, will go over until the morning session. When we adjourn we will adjourn to meet at Carnegie Hall, Fifty-seventh street and

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Seventh avenue, at 8.30 this evening, to listen to the annual address, by Secretary Knox, and after the address we will return to this place to attend a reception given by the Association of the Bar of the City to the State Bar Association, and the new members of this Association who were elected last night are invited to attend the reception as if their names had already been passed upon and they had become members of this Association.

I also am asked by Mr. Wadhams to announce that owing to the disposition of President Taft's time, it is particularly desirable that the members of the Association and their guests should attend at the dinner at the WaldorfAstoria to-morrow evening at sharp seven o'clock. It is expected that the guests in general will be seated at the tables at that time, and the President and the party of speakers who accompany him will come in and take their places after the guests generally are seated. I call your special attention to the importance of promptness.

John D. Teller, of Auburn:

Mr. President, I have a somewhat unpleasant duty to perform at this time in presenting to this Association a resolution passed by the Cayuga County Bar Association recently, which I was instructed by the meeting to present to this Association for its action, and if I may be permitted, I will read the resolution.

Michael H. Kiley, of Cazenovia:

Mr. President, I rise to a point of order, if this is to take the form of a charge, an ex parte matter, it should not be made here, it should be sent to the Committee on Grievances

The President:

It is impossible for the Chair to rule upon a paper which has not been read, it is rather hypothetical as a point of order. The Chair will be obliged to overrule the point of order at present; the Chair will entertain it, however, immediately upon becoming aware of what the paper is.

Mr. Kiley:

I am assuming that the resolution contains the subject of the unpleasant duty Judge Teller says he has to perform, and I ask that the President examine it now.

(Mr. Teller hands paper to the President.)

The President:

This appears to be a resolution introduced at a meeting of the Bar Association of Cayuga County.

Judge Teller:

There is following it an additional resolution that I be a committee to present that matter to this Association and request that action by its proper committee be taken upon the matter.

The President:

I feel bound to rule that the subject-matter of the paper which has been handed to me must be considered in the first instance by the Committee on Grievances. I do not think it is competent; of course the Association could have arranged its By-laws in such a way that it could entertain complaints of this character, but I think the effect of the By-laws which provide for action by the Committee on Grievances is to exclude the consideration of such matters,

as the By-laws send to the Committee on Grievances by the Association sitting in pleno, and if Judge Teller will state his resolution it will be referred under the rule to the Committee on Grievances.

Judge Teller:

Shall I read this paper?

The President:

It is unnecessary to read the paper, if you will make your motion.

Judge Teller:

Then, Mr. Chairman, I move that the resolution which I now hand up, of the Cayuga County Bar Association, be submitted to the Grievance Committee of this Association to examine generally upon the matters therein referred to and to report at a future meeting of this Association with their opinion thereon.

Virgil K. Kellogg, of Watertown:

I second the motion.

The President:

Unless there be objection, that order will be made as, of course, under the rule the subject-matter of the paper is referred to the Grievance Committee to be proceeded thereon in accordance with the By-laws. The Association will now take a recess, to meet at Carnegie Hall at halfpast eight o'clock this evening.