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soldier settlement; that the $10 per acre be not charged as against these lands. I think that is the substance of the resolution.

As the result of that meeting, which I say was unanimous, Judge Swing had left to attend the Johnson meeting—so that at the evening session the vote was absolutely unanimous by all the representatives; and in that connection I will state that the State officials who were present did not vote. They announced that they would take no vote, so it was left entirely to the people of Imperial Walley.

Mr. BARBOUR. Who were those State officials?

Mr. KIBBEY. Mr. Kingsbury.

Mr. BARBOUR. The State engineer?

Mr. KIBBEY. The State engineer; yes. I have the full list right here, and before I leave I will file that list, which included practically every State department.

The list referred to follows:

REGISTER—CoNFERENCE, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFoRNIA, BERKELEY, CALIF., OCT. 1, 1919.

Phil D. Swing, El Centro, Imperial irrigation district. C. E. Grunsky, San Francisco, consulting engineer, Imperial irrigation district. Charles H. Lee, Berkeley, California State water commission. J. Stanley Brown, El Centro, Imperial irrigation district. W. H. Brooks, El Centro, chairman board of supervisors. W. O. Johnson, El Centro, Imperial County farm adviser. b Jacob Lorang, Imperial, United Spanish War Veterans, Imperial County farm ureau. P. L. Hedrick, Brawley, American Legion, Camp 60, Brawley, Calif. Thomas O'Brien, Brawley, Imperial Land Owners' Association. J. Roy Adams, Imperial, supervisor third district. F. L. Lathrop, Sacramento, farm expert. Arthur M. Nelson, El Centro, El Centro Post, American Legion. J. F. Hallawell, Imperial, Imperial Post, American Legion. W. A. Beard, Sacramento, Sacramento Walley Development Association. A. T. Waughn Seeley, director, Water Co. No. 12. J. D. Mughmer, Seeley, Imperial Water Co. No. 12. W. A. Edgar, Imperial, Imperial Water Co. No. 12. M. W. Conkling, El Centro, Imperial Water Co. No. 6. Mike Liebert, Seeley, Imperial County farm bureau. C. F. Boarts, Brawley, farm bureau and Westmoreland Chamber of ComInerce. H. C. Brandt, Los Angeles, Westside Imperial Irrigation All-American Canal Association of Los Angeles. Chester A. Sparey, Indio, Coschella Valley County water district. S. E. Robinson, Imperial, All-American Canal Association. B. H. Crocheron, Berkeley, University of California. J. F. Seymour, El Centro, El Centro Chamber of Commerce, All-American Canal Association. John W. Gilmore, Berkeley, professor of agronomy. R. H. Long. Walter W. Weir, Berkeley, drainage engineer, University of California. W. W. Mackie, Berkeley, agronomy, University of California. R. H. Norboe, Sacramento, State department of engineering. G. W. Shaw, Berkeley, chief appraiser Federal land bank. C. S. Drake, Oakland. R. G. Green, Oakland. Maj. Pinder, State of California, American Legion. Charles H. Keadrick, State of California, American Legion. E. E. Kirk, Los Angeles, American Legion. W. W. Schlect, Yuma, Ariz., Department of Interior, United States Reclamation Service. J. S. Nickerson, Brawley, director, Imperial irrigation district. C. D. Manning, Holtville, director, Imperial irrigation district.

Frank D. Hevener, Calexico, chamber of commerce. T. A. Johnson, Calipatria, Business Men's Association, Imperial No. 3, Imperial Water Co., No. 9. Frank Wilkins, Imperial, chamber of commerce. W. H. Best, Brawley, Water Co. No. 4, Water Co. No. 3. W. R. Farmer, Holtville, farm bureau director. R. W. Sears, El Centro, farm bureau director. B. M. Gruwell, farm bureau director. D. F. Harbison, Seeley, farm bureau director. F. W. Fisher, Calexico, farm bureau director. Q. C. Webster, Brawley, farm bureau director. Frank Adams, Berkeley, University of California. C. E. Tait, Los Angeles, United States irrigation investigation. F. J. Verhmeyer, Berkeley, University of California irrigation investigation. Carlos Kupfer, Berkeley, Forest Service. S. E. Andrews, Colton, Southern Pacific Co. H. W. Smith, San Francisco, Southern Pacific general passenger department. Douglas White, Los Angeles, agricultural secretary, United States Railroad Administration. Henry K. Norton, San Francisco, State commission immigration and housing. R. D. McPherrin, Imperial, director irrigation district. J. H. Edmunds, Calexico, director irrigation district. H. D. Weber, Oakland, Oakland Post, No. 5, American Legion, Donald A. Chamock, San Diego, San Diego Post, American Legion. W. W. McLaughlin, Berkeley, Irrigation Division, United States Department of Agriculture. Samuel Forlier, Berkeley. T. E. Scaife, Mining Institute C. E., Cape Town, Irrigation Union of South Africa. W. R. Parkhill, Berkeley, Federal land bank. F. S. Lack, Brawley, No. 8 Water Co., chamber of commerce. Walter B. Kibbey, El Centro, American Legion, Post No. 25.

The following are the suggested amendments to the Kettner bill as incorporated in the resolutions unanimously adopted at the Berkeley conference:

That the State of California shall have the right at its option for a period of 12 months after the passage of the bill to acquire from the Government by purchase, exchange, or otherwise the title to 50,000 acres, or any part thereof, of the public lands susceptible of irrigation by the canals or works mentioned in the bill for settlement under the provisions of the State settlement act.

Provided, however, that the State of California or the settlers therein shall pay the full cost and charges per acre provided therein to be paid for the construction and storage purposes of the act, which shall be assessed by the Secretary of the Interior.

Provided that the charge of $10 per acre shall not be paid on lands reserved for settlement under the State land settlement act or for soldier settlement.

That the lands described in said bill remaining in Government ownership and lying south of the third standard parallel and east of the Imperial irrigation district, not selected by the State of California, shall be set aside and reserved for one year or until water is brought to said lands for soldiers, sailors, and marines, preferential entry or settlement.

And also that said bill shall be amended to provide for direct appropriation by Congress or the issuance of Government bonds in an amount to cover the proportional cost of construction of the works specified in said bill of all lands lying outside of the Imperial irrigation district.

Many letters of indorsement of the Kettner bill and amendments now incorporated in H. R. 11553 have been made by public bodies, and many business firms of various portions of the United States within the past few weeks have written personal letters to Members of Congress indorsing this measure. I have made a list of a portion of the letters so written and of which I have received copies from the All-American Canal Association and the Imperial irrigation district—all were written within the past two months. I have the originals and copies in my possession, but desire to withdraw them for further use. The names of those I have selected are as follows:

Driggs Ordnance Co., guns, ammunition, New York. Yarman & Erbe Manufacturing Co., filing systems, Rochester, N. Y. American Locomotive Co., New York. - Edison Electric Appliance Co., electric appliances, Chicago, Ill. Clifton Manufacturing Co., manufacturing cotton goods, Waco, Tex. Fairmont Gas Engine & Railway Motor Car Co., Fairmont, Minn. W. F. Myer (Warner Jenkinson Co.), St. Louis, Mo. Warner Jenkinson Co., manufacturing extracts, St. Louis, Mo. B. W. Ayres Co., dredges, South Milwaukee, Wis. D. & W. Fuse Co., Providence, R. I. Conduit Electrical Manufacturing Co., electric protective equipment, South Boston, Mass. B. F. Avery & Sons., harvesting machinery, Louisville, Ky. Marion Steam Shovel Co., Marion, Ohio. Parke, Davis & Co., drugs, Detroit, Mich. Leopold Vaelpel & Co., duplex recorders, Portland, Oreg. The R. Hardesty Manufacturing Co., manufacturing steel products, Denvel Colo. Hoedenauer Alfalfa, etc., Co., product grinders, Peublo, Colo. H. & M. C. Co., paper, San Francisco, Calif. Wm. H. Hoegee Co., manufacturing, Los Angeles, Calif. Scovel Iron Store Co., Los Angeles, Calif. W. P. Jeffries Co., engravers, Los Angeles, Calif. A. Carlisle & Co., engravers, San Francisco, Calif. The Brininstool Co., paints, Los Angeles, Calif. Oliver Chilled Plow Works, San Francisco, Calif. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., Los Angeles, Calif. W. C. Hendrie & Co., rubber goods, Los Angeles, Calif. Ingersoll, Rand Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Pacific Mill & Mine Supply Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Fletcher & Framdies, wholesale lumber, Los Angeles, Calif. Rosenberg Co., Los Angeles, Calif. California Corrugated Culverts Co., Berkeley, Calif. Haas. Baruch & Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Neumark Bros., Los Angeles, Calif. Curtis Williams, Los Angeles, Calif. The Worthington Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Western Equipment Co., Los Angeles, Calif. J. P. Sherberman, San Francisco, Calif. Louis V. Vetter, Los Angeles, Calif. Southern Sierras Co., Riverside, Calif. The A. Lutz Co., San Francisco, Calif. Rapid Blue Point Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Western Pipe & Steel Co., Los Angeles, Calif. National Smelting Corporation, San Francisco, Calif. Layne & Bowler Corporation, Los Angeles, Calif. Hercules Powder Co., San Francisco, Calif. Western Rubber & Supply Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Atlas Imperial Engine Co., Oakland, Calif. The A. Lutz & Co., San Francisco, Calif. Channel Commercial Co., Los Angeles, Calif. L. W. Blinn Lumber Co., Los Angeles, Calif. Sun Tent & Awning Co., San Francisco, Calif. Eccles & Smith Co., Los Angeles, Calif.

A committee of 15 was appointed by the conference. Mr. Nickerson, the chairman of the irrigation district, and I were Selected as a committee of two, together with Dr. Mead, to select that committee of 15. Dr. Mead's duty was to select the State committee, ours the valley committee, which were instructed to work for the amendments proposed there. Mr. WELLING. What proportion of the committee were members of the Imperial Valley Mr. KIBBEY. Of the committee of 15? Every man on the committee of 15 was a resident of Imperial Valley. Mr. WELLING. Why did Dr. Mead and the Berkeley contingent have anything to do with the selection of the committee, then? Mr. KIBBEY. He did not, excepting—probably I did not make myself understood—we had two committees, a committee of 15, of residents of the valley; a committee of 8, I think, of State officials, to represent the State in assisting the committee of 15 of the valley. In other words, the committee of the State was merely advisory to the committee of 15 in the valley. The names of the committees, including the committee appointed by the California American Legion, are as follows: Marshall De Motte, chairman State board of control; U. S. Kingsbury, surveyor general of California; W. F. McClure, State engineer; Elwood Mead, chairman State land settlement board ; B. H. Crocheron, State college of agriculture; C. H. Lee, State water commission. Imperial Valley committee of 15, W. H. Best, president Water Co. No. 5; R. D. McPherrin, director Imperial irrigation district; F. C. Hevener, president associated chamber of commerce; Will Edgar, president Water Co. No. 12; G. L. Marsh, director Water Co. No. 8: D. F. Harbison, director Imperial County Farm Bureau, all-American association; Burt Sears, director Imperial County Farm Bureau, all-American association; W. F. Beal, member county board of supervisors; O. N. Shaw, president Imperial Valley Wool Growers' Association, all Americans; Leroy Holt, president all-American Canal Association, all Americans; Mike Liebert, director Imperial County Farm Bureau, all Americans; Arthur Nelson, development agent, county of Imperial ; Walter E. Packard, University of California; T. A. Johnson, director California Chamber of Commerce; R. A. Holt, member county board of supervisors, all Americans. State legion committee.—W. B. Kibbey, chairman, El Centro, Calif.; P. I. Dougherty, Davis, Calif.; H. H. Sortor, Tulare, Calif.; H. W. Niehmeyer, Marysville, Calif.; H. F. Waterman, Fresno, Calif. Mr. WELLING. What proportion of the people of the Imperial Valley do you assume got behind this proposition at the time of this meeting? Mr. KIBBEY. I don’t think that there are 50 people in the Imperial Valley who do not agree to this plan. Mr. WELLING. Did you recognize that, or was it recognized by the community as a pretty general reversal of the attitude theretofore taken by the Imperial Valley with reference to this legislation? Mr. KIBBEY. It was recognized as being a reversal of the former committee's acts in suggesting the sale of the lands. Now, in that connection I will state that the people of the Imperial Valley do not believe they can deal with the public lands, but before the soldiers left they said to the boys in a mass meeting: “Boys, when you come back, this land on the East Side Mesa shall be set aside for you, for soldier settlement.” Now, as I say, the people of the o Valley had no right to say any such thing as that, but that was in their

mind, that the soldier settlement would be made. When the Lane bill was first talked of they figured that soldier settlement would come under that. The CHAIRMAN. Who was it said that? Was it those having to do with conscription or enlistments? Mr. KIBBEY. Some of them, yes. Mr. WELLING. Well, isn't it a fact, Mr. Kibbey, that these boys were in France or in the training camps long before the Lane bill was ever thought of? Mr. KIBBEY. Before the Lane bill, yes; but before the Lane bill was ever thought of the people of the Imperial Valley had said to the boys: “When you come back we are going to give that land to you to settle there.” When we first got into war that was the idea of practically everybody in the Imperial Valley. Mr. SUMMERs. That antedated the Lane bill? Mr. KIBBEY. That antedated the Lane bill and followed our entrance into the war. Mr. BARBOUR. But the Imperial Valley project was already under way at that time, was it not? Mr. KIBBEY. No; there wasn't any bill Mr. BARBOUR (interposing). But it had been contemplated? Mr. KIBBEY. Yes; for many years. Mr. HAYDEN. As I understand your statement, the people of the Imperial Valley, all the o parties, consulted together with respect to this legislation and it clearly represents the desire of the great majority of the people there that this land on the East Mesa be set aside for soldier settlement, if it is possible to do so? Mr. KIBBEY. Yes, sir. Mr. HAYDEN. And that in carrying out that idea you have prepared this section of the bill which does the things that the great majority of the people of Imperial Valley want to have done? Mr. KIBBEY. Yes, sir; exactly. There is another thing that I want to call your attention to in connection with this. The House of Representatives recently passed a resolution which I have called the Jones bill, which provided that in opening any lands to entry soldiers should be given a six months right of homestead entry. I understand that resolution is in the Senate now, and I am told this morning that there isn't any question but it will pass the Senate. Now, if those lands were opened to entry and this bill does pass it would give just one of the things that we ask here, but if you sell the lands you are taking it out of the operation of the bill. In other words, in one bill you say to the soldiers: “We are going to give you that land or give you public lands when they are opened for entry,” and in another bill it is proposed to take them away from entry, so you are taking the cream right off of the milk. Mr. WELLING. In view of the fact that you say there is practically a unanimous feeling in support of the proposed provisions of this bill to-day, why was it that you expressed in your opening statement here just a few minutes ago the disinclination of the board of directors of this water organization and the official bodies—you mentioned two or three which I do not now recall—to join you in the meeting? Mr. KIBBEY. I thought I had explained that the other day. Probably you were not here.

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