King's officers lent in a dispute pending | opinion with reference to it now. I would in London in the King's Court, where remind the House that the whole question a Petition of Right is being tried on is sub judicethis question? Why should the Chief Secretary lend the armed forces to take one side in this dispute? Really the time has come when we shall have to take the Treasury thugs by the throat. They seem to be superior to the law. We will have to take some stand with reference to this Treasury action. I do not care who is right or who is wrong in the matter. There is at this moment pending in London a matter in which it must be declared, "Let right be done." That is signed by the King, and here are vessels getting a subsidy of £1,000,000 for twenty years, and the Treasury see the chance of saving a few hundreds with the London and North Western, which swindles Dublin out of £5,000 a year, and the Treasury, in order to promote this sordid arrangement, break in upon every tradition of the law, and actually get the Chief Secretary to lend the Dublin police, for which the city of Dublin is paying £40,000 a year, to swindle Dublin out of £5,000 a year. Is Ireland governed by a Treasury clerk or by a Cabinet Minister? The insolence of this body will have to be put down. We will have to have a separate Department to deal with Irish affairs. That is not "separatism." We will have to have a Select Committee to inquire into the Treasury conduct. We will not allow a single action of the Treasury to go forward without inquiry. As for the Post Office, they have always been the slaves of the Treasury, because they are dependent upon them; but Ireland is supposed to have an independent Minister, and here we have the fact of the Chief Secretary lending his police to take part in this dispute. He has, in my opinion, vindicated the action of the Galway peasants, who seize the postboy who is carrying writs. THE POSTMASTER-GENERAL (Mr. SYDNEY BUXTON, Tower Hamlets, Poplar) The hon. Member told me that he would raise the question on the adjournment. The telegrams were not then in my possession, I had no such information myself. I have no doubt the information contained in them will be conveyed to the Treasury, and to me, in the morning, and meanwhile, I am sure the House would not expect me to give any expression of MR. T. M. HEALY: Then why call the police? MR. SYDNEY BUXTON: The question being sub judice, the point remains: upon which side action should be taken ? The whole matter is a very difficult and delicate one to deal with, and of course, my interest in it, as Postmaster-General, is in the effective carrying of the mails. To-morrow, no doubt, I shall have full in formation upon the subject. MR. JOHN REDMOND (Waterford): I gather from the right hon. Gentleman that he will make inquiry by telegraph, information at question time to-morrow. so as to be in a position to give us THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRE LAND (MR. BIRRELL, Bristol, N.): I may say I have lent no police to anyone. I have heard of this matter now for the first time, and it was only when the telegram was read I became acquainted with it. I will also make inquiries by telegram. MR. MOONEY: If the right hon. Gentleman finds that what has been stated is correct will he order the immediate release of the porter? MR. BIRRELL: I will do what I can. MR. CLANCY: I will to-morrow put Questions both to the Chief Secretary and the Attorney-General with regard to this question. MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: May I ask the right hon. Gentleman why any official has dared to take any such action without consulting him? THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. RUNCIMAN, Dewsbury): I wish to say on behalf of myself and the Treasury, that the first I heard of this matter was at five minutes to eleven. As far as the Kingstown harbour is concerned we will never consent to its being under the control of any private company. MR. T. M. HEALY: That is not the question. Question put, and agreed to. House adjourned at twenty-nine minutes after Eleven o'clock. An Asterisk (*) at the commencement of a Speech indicates revision by the Member. HOUSE OF LORD S. Thursday, 2nd April, 1908. PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS. to be entered in the Valuation Roll, would, if passed, entail enormous expense upon counties without conferring upon them any corresponding benefits, that the Bill does not state any purpose for which it is necessary or desirable that the said capital land value should Tramways Order Confirmation (No. 1) be entered in the Valuation Roll; and Bill [H.L.].-Committed. Bromley and Crays Gas Bill; Glyncorrwg Urban District Council Bill; Lincoln Corporation Bill.-Brought from the Commons, read 1a, and referred to the Examiners. Local Government (Ireland) Provisional Orders (No. 1) Bill [H.L.].-Read 2 (according to order). Bristol Corporation Bill [H.L.]; Bristol Tramways Bill [H.L.]; Keighley Corporation Bill [H.L.]; Wath-upon-Dearne Urban District Council Gas Bill [H.L.]; Ravensthorpe Urban District Council Bill [H.L.]; Rhymney and Aber Valleys Gas and Water Bill [H.L.]; Leith Burgh Bill [H.L.]; Ammanford Urban District Council Water Bill [H.L.]; Llanelly and Burry Port Water Board Bill [H.L.]; Conway and Colwyn Bay Joint Water Board Bill.-Report from the Committee of Selection, that the Earl of Albemarle be proposed to the House as a Member of the Select Committee on the said Bills in the place of the Earl of Verulam ; read, and agreed to. PETITIONS. LAND VALUES (SCOTLAND) BILL -PETITION AGAINST. THE EARL OF CAMPERDOWN: My Lords, I beg to present a petition from the county council of the county of Forfar against the Land Values (Scotland) Bill. They say that, being entrusted with the administrative and financial business of that county, they have carefully considered the Bill, and are of opinion that it should not receive the sanction of Parliament for the following among other reasons-videlicet, that the Bill in requiring the capital land value of lands and heritages, not being lands and heritages falling to be valued by the Assessor of Railways and Canals, VOL. CLXXXVII. [FOURTH SERIES.] that in any case no good purpose can be served by entering in the Valuation Roll the capital land value of agricultural lands in counties where both the land and the buildings thereon belong to the same person. Ordered to lie on the Table. RETURNS, REPORTS, ETC. LOTTERIES AND INDECENT have appointed a Committee to consist TRADE REPORTS: ANNUAL SERIES. No. 3967. Finances of Denmark. Presented (by command), and ordered to lie on the Table. UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) ACT, 1889. Annual Report on the state of the finances of the University of Glasgow under the provisions of Section 30 of the Act, for the year 1906-1907. SUPERANNUATION. Treasury Minute, dated 30th March, 1908, declaring that Mr. George Samuel Newth, Lecture Assistant, Normal School of Science, Board of Education, was appointed without a Civil Service certifi cate through inadvertence on the part of the head of his department. Laid before the House (pursuant to Act), and ordered to lie on the Table. UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) ACT, 1889. No. 24. (Aberdeen, No. 2.) Regulations for Degrees in Arts. Ꮓ No. 25. (Aberdeen, No. 3.) Regulations as to Bursaries, etc. Laid before the House (pursuant to Act), and to be printed. (No. 45.) SMALL HOLDINGS AND ALLOTMENTS (SCOTLAND) BILL [H.L.]. POST OFFICE CONSOLIDATION BILL [H.L.]. [SECOND READING.] Order of the day for the Second Reading read. THE EARL OF GRANARD: My Lords, this is purely a Consolidation Bill, which, House in Committee (according to with the exception of certain Acts that Order). SUNDAY CLOSING (SHOPS) BILL [H.L.]. Amendments reported (according to Order); and Bill to be read 3 on Tues have since been added, was submitted to a Joint Committee of both Houses of Parliament in 1896. I trust your Lordships will give the Bill a Second Reading. THE LORD CHANCELLOR (Lord LOREBURN): My Lords, I need say but very few words in asking your Lordships to give a Second Reading to this Bill. It deals with various points, not themselves connected, and it is the same Bill as your Lordships agreed to on the Motion of my predecessor. Last year the Bill was introduced by myself; it passed through this House, but, unfortunately, shared the fate of other measures which could not be disposed of elsewhere. I will only say that the Bill does not in any way represent my idea of what ought to be done in connection with an amendment of the law relating to County Courts. There are two important points which deserve attention. I referred to one last year -the character of the jurisdiction in regard to what I call imprisonment for debt, for in substance it is imprisonment for debt. I have been HOUSE OF COMMONS. Thursday, 2nd April, 1908. The House met at a quarter before PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS. Bromley and Crays Gas Bill; Glyncorrwg Urban District Council Bill; Lincoln Corporation Bill. Read the third time, and passed. regard to that; but I think a wise Moved, "That the Bill be now read 2." (The Lord Chancellor.) LORD ASHBOURNE: My Lords, I trust that there will be no difficulty about the passing of this Bill, and coming as it does with the recommendation of the noble and learned Lord on the Woolsack, I have no doubt your Lordships will be prepared to give it a ready acceptance. I presume that in the present state of public business it is not desirable to overload any Bills; but I hope I may ask for the assistance of my noble and learned friend in inserting an Amendment to allow the solicitor profession to be represented on the rule-making authority. On Question, Bill read 2a, and committed to a Committee of the Whole House. House adjourned at twenty Dover Graving Docks Bill; Louth and East Coast Railway (Transfer) Bill; Dundalk Urban District Council Bill.Reported, with Amendments; Reports to lie on the Table, and to be printed. Knott End Railway Bill.-Reported, with Amendments [Title amended]; Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. Herne Bay Pier Bill [Lords]. Reported, without Amendment: Report to lie upon the Table. Bill to be read a third time. PRIVATE BILLS (GROUP E). Colonel SEELY reported from the Committee on Group E of Private Bills; That, for the convenience of parties, the Committee had adjourned till Monday next, at Twelve of the Clock. Report to lie upon the Table. PETITIONS. COAL MINES (EIGHT HOURS) (No. 2) Petitions against: From Liverpool; and, Mining Association of Great Britain; to lie upon the Table. EARL, WILLIAM ROBERT ALBERT. Petition from William Robert Albert Earl, for redress of grievances; to lie upon the Table. ELEMENTARY EDUCATION (ENGLAND ELEMENTARY EDUCATION (ENGLAND | SALE OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS ON AND WALES) BILL. SUNDAY BILL. from Middlesbrough, in favour; to lie upon the Table. SHOP BILLS. Petition from Westminster, against; RETURNS, REPORTS, ETC. Petitions against: From Bath; Billing to lie upon the Table. hurst; Birmingham; Bradford; Colgate; Easebourne; Eccleshall; Greasborough (two); Hemmingfield; Kilnhurst; London and other places; Middlesbrough ; North Bucks; Rawmarsh; Rotherham (four); Sheffield (eight); Swinton (twelve); Thornhill; West Sussex CROWN'S NOMINEE ACCOUNT. Abstract Account presented, of receipts (three); and Woking and Cranleigh; to and payments of the Treasury Solicitor, lie upon the Table. Petititions for alteration; From Colne and Nelson; Daventry; Helidon; Sunday School Union; Truro; and, Wigston Magna; to lie upon the Table. Petitions in favour; From Ardwick; Barrow-in-Furness (two); Batley (three); Belper ; Bridport; Berry (three); Caersalem; Canterbury (three); Coppington; Coppenhall; Cramlington Colliery; Crewe; Didmarton; Dobwalls; Durham; East Looe; Eccles (two); Garstang; Glasgow; Halifax; Higham; Kelvedon; Lancaster (seven); Liskeard (four); Littlehampton; Llanedwen; Llangristiolus; Luddenfoot; Motherwell; New Delaval; New Kilpatrick; Northowram North Salford; North Shields; North Walbottle; Ossett ; Pendleton; Pensilva; Polruan; Ringwood; Rothesay (two); St. Andrews; St. Helens; St. Hilary; St. Mary's (Scilly); Sheffield; Shotton; Southsea; Streatham (two); Street; Thornby; Timsbury; Tunbridge Wells; Waring Green; West Dulwich; and, Yeovil and Sherborne; to lie upon the Table. LICENSING BILL AND LIQUOR TRAFFIC (LOCAL OPTION) (SCOTLAND) BILL. Petition from Stranraer, in favour; to lie upon the Table. LIQUOR TRAFFIC (LOCAL OPTION) (SCOTLAND) BILL. in the year ended 31st December, 1907, in the Administration of Estates on behalf of Intestates' Estates in respect of which of the Crown, and Alphabetical List Letters of Administration were granted to the Treasury Solicitor as Crown's Nominee, and of other cases (partial intestacies, &c.) in which accounts were opened in the Books of the Treasury Solicitor in the same year, in respect of moneys received by him as Crown's Nominee [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 113.] SUPERANNUATION ACTS, 1884. Copy presented, of Treasury Minute, dated 30th March, 1908, declaring that Mr. George Samuel Newth, Lecture Assistant, Normal School of Science, Board of Education, was appointed without a Civil Service Certificate through inadvertence on the part of the Head of his Department [by Act]; to lie upon the Table. TRADE REPORTS (ANNUAL SERIES). Copy presented, of Diplomatic and Consular Report, Annual Series, No. 3967 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table. UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) ACT, 1889 (ORDINANCE). Copy presented, of University Court Ordinance No. XXIV. (Aberdeen, No. 2) (Regulations for Degrees in Arts) [by Petition from Paisley, in favour; to lie Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be upon the Table. printed. [No. 114.] UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) ACT, 1889. Ordinance No. XXV. (Aberdeen No. 3) |