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month and, as the valuation is $7200, he would be receiving about 13 per cent gross on his investment.

Mr. MANGAN. I could not say. If the house were in livable condition, it would be a different proposition; and if you could heat it but you can't. A kitchen range, and I have had no hot water in the kitchen, only what I could heat on the gas stove. The gas range I was compelled to furnish myself. The hot water range has not had a grate in it for two years.

That is all.

The CHAIRMAN. Are there any other tenants who have not testified?

Mr. GORE. I wonder if I could ask this last witness a question or two. I want to know what his occupation is and what his income amounted to in 1912 and what it amounts to now. It is an interesting case and I think that that is material to know.

The CHAIRMAN. The question has been suggested as to what increase there has been in your personal salary since

Mr. GORE (interposing). Since 1912, when he was paying $17 as against now when he is paying $40.

Mr. MANGAN. At that time I was on the Washington Terminal as a locomotive fireman. I received $4.10, if I remember rightly, a day for an 8-hour run. The next increase was $5.72 and the next one to $6 and something. Then there was a reduction in seniority, and that dropped me down to the extra list and I could not stand it and had to "pull." I then took a job with the White Cross Bakery. At the present time I am under a guaranty of $35 a week, and my last week's salary run me $38.51.

The CHAIRMAN. What was it in 1912?

Mr. MANGAN. $5.72 a day. It was $4.10, if I remember rightlyI won't say for a certainty, and then it went to $5.72 and then up to $6 something.

The CHAIRMAN. That is per day?

Mr. MANGAN. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Your salary was greater then than it is now? Mr. MANGAN. Yes, sir. You see, you ran a 7-day week then.

(By direction of the chairman, there is inserted here the following affidavit submitted by Mr. Gore:)

Senator BALL,

Chairman Rent Committee, Washington, D. C.:

J. M. Mangan, 608 Park Road N. W., made the statement at the Rent Commission hearing January 27, that his salary averaged $38 per week, whereas his salary was

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Subscribed and sworn to before me this 28th day of January, A. D. 1925.

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A. B. CALDWELL,
Notary Public, D. C.

The CHAIRMAN. We will give the tenants two hours and a half to-morrow night.

Now, Mrs. Brown, we will hear from you.

FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MRS. HENRY C. BROWN

Mrs. BROWN. In Mr. Low's remarks to-night he spoke of a connection of mine with the League for Industrial Democracy, and I want to place these remarks in the record because of his allusion to any personal connection of mine of that kind. I want it clearly stated that I received an invitation from an organization called the League of Industrial Democracy and I had no more knowledge of what it was than I have of any other Russian organization or any organization in any other country. I was simply asked to come and explain to them the work of the Tenants' League. I went there and was received with great courtesy.

Senator JONES of Washington. I must say that I care nothing about that.

Mrs. BROWN. Mr. Jones, may I just finish explaining it, because the implication is made that I am connected with the "red" organization.

Senator JONES of Washington. That does not affect the rent situation.

Representative HAMMER. I would say that you have conducted yourself very well. I thought you were a "fire eater" from what I had heard of you, but you have conducted yourself extremely well and, outside of your enthusiasm, you have done admirably.

Mrs. BROWN. I also want to state that I live next to 1820 K Street. I want to say that I know from personal knowledge that there has been a great deal of trouble in that building on account of the very troublesome janitors there. I think this gentleman who has testified will bear me out in that statement that we have had a great deal of trouble on account of the very noisy and obscene janitors, and also that I have had to "heat some of the tenants in that building. There are a great number of them who have come over to my apartment to get warm, and I thought that matter ought to be mentioned.

Mr. MAYER. I have had two janitors. Last summer I got rid of the one that was noisy. He had a music box.

Now, the lady might tell us, for she says that she has "heated " some of the tenants, just the name of one, if there is one. I think the other lady who testified here is a little bit of a hypochondriac, but I would like to have Mrs. Brown name just one tenant whom she has "heated." She says she has "heated" several.

The CHAIRMAN. We will close the hearings now for this evening. (The data submitted by John A. Petty, Esq., for the real estate board, is here printed in full, as follows:)

27363-25-PT 6

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, January 27, 1925.

I hereby certify that the rents on the apartments attached hereto have been reduced as set forth in the enclosed list.

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Subscribed and sworn to before me this 27th day of January, A. D. 1925.
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J. WIELEY JACOBS,

Notary Public.

Statement by B. F. Saul Co., agent, showing reductions in rent on apartments,

1923-24 and 1924-25

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Statement by B. F. Saul Co., agent, showing reductions in rent on apartments, 1923-24 and 1924-25-Continued

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Rent reductions on properties under the management of Thomas J. Fisher & Co. (Inc.), Washington, D. C., to apply during the lease year beginning October 1, 1924

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Before me, Albert W. Sioussa, a notary public in and for the District of Columbia, appeared Hermon C. Metcalf, who, being duly sworn, deposes and says that he is rental manager for Thomas J. Fisher & Co. (Inc.), real estate brokers, with offices at No. 738 Fifteenth Street NW., Washington, D. C., and that the statement of reductions in rentals appended hereto is to the best of his knowledge and belief a true statement based on the records of the said office.

HERMON C. METCALF.

Sworn to and subscribed before me this 27th day of January, 1925.

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ALBERT W. SIOUSSA, Notary Public, District of Columbia.

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