the "El." They would all go home on the same "El,' the B train to Johnson Park.

So, I came out and when I came out they were all in the corridor. So, I took Kirby Hardin and put him against the wall and I walked between the Rangers and him.

Senator MUNDT. Who is "him"?

Mr. MOORE. Kirby Hardin.

At which time the Rangers wanted to know what the hell I had to do with it. Then they implied that he would not be with me always. Well, at that time, since he was due to leave tomorrow morning for Camp McCoy, it was just a matter of getting him home. So, what I did was I took him to 208 South LaSalle, to my office, and kept him with me for about an hour. Then I took him to my house and from my house I took him to where he was staying.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Is that because you were afraid that he might be harmed?

Mr. MOORE. Well, they had threatened him. They had tried to get him in the corridor of the court.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Were these threats made in the presence of Reverend Fry?

Mr. MOORE. Fry was there with a tweed suit.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Is there any question in your mind that he overheard the threats?

Mr. MOORE. There is no doubt in my mind that he heard.

Mr. ADLERMAN. No question.

Mr. MOORE. No doubt at all.

The CHAIRMAN. When did this occur? Last year?

Mr. MOORE. 1966. It was on a Friday after Columbus Day.

Senator MUNDT. Did Reverend Fry remonstrate with these people for making the threats?

Mr. MOORE. Do you mean was he making threatening remarks, himself?

Senator MUNDT. No. Did he remonstrate with his associates in the Blackstone Rangers against making these threats?

Mr. MOORE. No; he didn't.

Senator MUNDT. He overheard it but he didn't do anything about it. He didn't say, "This is not the way to behave."

Mr. MOORE. He did not say anything. At this time, Eugene Hairston and Lamar Bell-the uniform at this time was usually black with an earring. Some of them had earrings in their ears.

But he was there, in the hall, in the corridor of the court.
Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you say they were wearing uniforms?
Mr. MOORE. No: they wore black. A lot of them had black.
Mr. ADLERMAN. Black what?

Mr. MOORE. Black pants and black shirts.

Mr. ADLERMAN. This was a kind of uniform for them?

Mr. MOORE. I don't know, but a lot of them had the black on. In fact, later on this night, Casey Johnson was stopped and asked why was I in court in the first place and what right I had to protect Kirby Hardin. This he reported to me.

Mr. ADLERMAN. What was that again?

Mr. MOORE. The parole officer was asked later on in the night what right I had in court trying to protect Kirby Hardin.

The CHAIRMAN. The parole officer? Did you say the parole officer? Mr. MOORE. Yes. He was asked by some of the Rangers what right I had in court trying to protect Kirby Hardin.

Mr. ADLERMAN. The Rangers asked the parole officer?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Mr. ADLERMAN. If there are no other questions along this line, there is one other thing I would like to clarify.

There was some testimony by Mr. Rose in which he said that on a certain occasion a message was passed on to him in the presence of Reverend Fry. I believe he said Miss Schwalbach was there, and I believe also that he said Mr. LaPaglia was there.

Do you recall that testimony?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Mr. ADLERMAN. At that time, I think Reverend Fry stated that he had never visited Hairston in jail, so he had no ability to pass on such a message. Is that correct?

Mr. MOORE. This is correct.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Can you tell us from your memory who had visited Hairston in jail prior to this occurrence?

Mr. MOORE. The week of October 27 Anne Schwalbach and LaPaglia visited Eugene Hairston in the county jail. The following week, the 7th of November, Bey visited Hairston in the county jail.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you mean some of the Rangers visited him during that time?

Mr. MOORE. During the week afterward; yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Who was this?

Mr. MOORE. Before, Anne Schwalbach visited, and Charles LaPaglia.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the man Reverend Fry said was in charge of this and that, and we would have to ask him? Is that correct? Mr. MOORE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. He is one of Fry's men?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. He works with him?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. He is very close to him, as I recall.

Mr. MOORE. He is the program director, as I recall.

The CHAIRMAN. The program director?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Mr. ADLERMAN. I believe we have the timesheets showing these visits but we are not able to place our hands on them at the present time. Do you have the originals?

Mr. MOORE. Yes; I have the originals.

Mr. ADLERMAN. If we cannot find copies

Mr. MOORE. I will send them.

You have visitors twice a month in the county jail by tiers. You have to state who you are visiting and your relationship to the person you are visiting.

The CHAIRMAN. Do they have to sign anything?

Mr. MOORE. NO. They have to give their name and identification and the reason as to why they are visiting and who they are.

The CHAIRMAN. And your staff makes a record?

Mr. MOORE. Yes; a permanent record is kept.

The CHAIRMAN. You have that permanent record showing these visits to which you have alluded?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand we have copies of them.

Mr. MOORE. I brought copies with me, but if you don't have them, I will send additional copies.

The CHAIRMAN. We have quite a volume of material.

If we do not find them, will you supply additional copies for the record?

Mr. MOORE. I shall send them. Will do.

The CHAIRMAN. Let them be printed in the record at this point. (The documents referred to follow :)

Mr. ADLERMAN. This was about a week prior or so

Mr. MOORE. The week of the 27th of October 1967 is when Anne Schwalbach and Chuck LaPaglia visited Eugene Hairston in the

county jail. On the 7th of November, Charles Bey visited Hairston in the county jail.

The CHAIRMAN. This was shortly before the time that Straughter was shot?

Mr. MOORE. Yes. He was killed on the 4th of November.
Senator MUNDT. Who is Anne Schwalbach?

Mr. MOORE. She, too, works for the First Presbyterian.
Senator MUNDT. She works for the preacher?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator MUNDT. Do you know what her position is?
Mr. MOORE. I don't know.

Senator MUNDT. She, along with Chuck LaPaglia, visited Hairston?
Mr. MOORE. Yes. They signed in as social workers.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Curtis, have you any questions?

Senator CURTIS. How much time elapsed between the time Miss Schwalbach and Chuck LaPaglia and Bey-how long after that was Jim Straughter killed?

Mr. MOORE. Seven days later. Three days later

Senator CURTIS. Has anybody ever been charged with that killing? Mr. MOORE. No. The murder is listed as unsolved.

The CHAIRMAN. What was that about 3 days later?

Mr. MOORE. Three days later, Bey visited Eugene Hairston in jail. Senator MUNDT. After the slaying?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator CURTIS. Was there any reason to which you can testify as why Hairston would want Straughter killed?

Mr. MOORE. Nothing but what I have heard here.

Senator CURTIS. You have no personal knowledge?
Mr. MOORE. I have no personal knowledge.

The CHAIRMAN. Very well.

Thank you.

Call your next witness.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Charles LaPaglia.

The CHAIRMAN. Be sworn, please.

You do solemnly swear that the evidence you shall give before this Senate subcommittee shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. I do.

TESTIMONY OF CHARLES LaPAGLIA; ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, WILLIAM W. BRACKETT

The CHAIRMAN. I believe you have a prepared statement that you have submitted.

Mr. LAPAGLIA. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Let the record show Mr. Brackett is counsel to the witness.

You may proceed.

Mr. LAPAGLIA. Gentlemen, my name is Charles LaPaglia. I presently work for the First Presbyterian Church and have worked there for 2 years. My job is to work directly on a day-to-day basis with the Blackstone Rangers. I have worked for the past 13 years in various social agencies dealing with youth problems. Before I began my pres

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ent job, I worked for 5 years as a unit director for the mayor's commission on youth_welfare. It was during that time that I first had dealings with the Rangers. Prior to my job with the commission, I was a gang worker in the hard-to-reach-youth project sponsored by the Welfare Council of Metropolitan Chicago. This project was one of the first attempts to work with gangs on the streets and outside of traditional programs.

My only reasons for bringing up my history are to establish that, like you, I am deeply concerned with the welfare of youth in this country, and to refute the many rumors of my evil intent which have circulated since I began working with the Blackstone Rangers.

Senator MUNDT. Before we leave that paragraph, can you tell us how you came to your present appointment?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. I was introduced to Reverend Fry by a member of the session, a personal friend. It was a personal friend.

Senator MUNDT. Reverend Fry employed you?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. Yes.

Senator MUNDT. You are full time?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. Yes.

Senator MUNDT. As I understand, you are a social worker, not a pastor?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. Yes, sir.

Senator MUNDT. Do you work on your own or do you get some direction from Reverend Fry?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. Reverend Fry is the administrator of the total program, so I am directly responsible to him.

Senator MUNDT. If you were going to say to whom you are responsible, who your boss is, or who your superior is, you would say Reverend Fry?

Mr. LAPAGLIA. My superior is Reverend Fry.

In trying to find something better than stopgap solutions to the most pressing problems of the ghetto in the South Side of Chicago, it not only made sense to work with the Rangers, it was a practical necessity.

The Rangers had the unique and overwhelming virtues of being already well organized, having intimate knowledge of the problems involved, the trust of the people who most needed help, and the greatest stake in working out long-term constructive solutions. No artificially set up, outside leadership could possibly be similarly qualified for dealing with the youth problems of this community.

This initial judgment was validated by experience. During the past two summers, the Rangers played the heroic civic role of maintaining peace in a tense neighborhood-a service they repeated during the aftermath of the King assassination, while Chicago's West Side was, in dramatic contrast, in flames.

Less dramatically, but no less important, they have organized and run recreation programs in Woodlawn and organized a musical review which played in the neighborhood and on national television. There can be no plainer indication that the Rangers have been making significant contributions to life in the ghetto and doing what they can to help their members.

In November 1966, the Rangers agreed to turn in their guns at the instigation of the Treasury Department and the Chicago police. The