Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you find any literature, any documents or anything indicating that they held schools or held classes and gave instruction?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They had a couple of programs. One was for young girls in sewing.

The CHAIRMAN. What?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. For young girls in sewing.

The CHAIRMAN. Did they have a sewing machine?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I think it was probably on loan. It was nothing that WYEAC themselves had. It was probably something on loan. The CHAIRMAN. How many sewing machines did they have on loan? Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I couldn't say because the program didn't last too long. When we had arrived there it was nonexistent.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know whether they taught any girls to sew? Do they have any reports showing they taught anyone how to sew?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They have no progress reports.

The CHAIRMAN. Do they have any reports showing how many girls took sewing?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Do they have any reports showing how many participated in ball games or other recreation?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. No established records on that. I know they had a number of leagues established. Another witness can testify to that, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. How about the number of picnics that they took them on?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I know of two, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Two?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Who would go on the picnics?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They would take a group of youths. On one occasion I know they took a group of about 30 people.

The CHAIRMAN. About 30 people on two different picnics?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that all you found there?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is all I found.

The CHAIRMAN. The money that went for these salaries, you say 90 percent of it went for salaries the smallest number you had was more than 40 on the payroll at one time?

52.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Forty-three at one time, I think, and it goes up to

The CHAIRMAN. All the way from 43 to 52?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. I would say an average of 45 or more there all the time, people drawing these salaries?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a pretty good sized group. Now they had 45 people getting paid. What kind of work would they do during the day? Did you find out anything?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Again I am quoting some of the people who reported to me when I posed the same question to them, that they

were in the area "soapboxing," traveling around in five vans, getting usually into the way of people who are supposed to be doing good down in the area, such as the police or the firemen on a number of

occasions.

The CHAIRMAN. I see here one person is a legal aid specialist, Walter Walker, drawing $7,358 a year. Is he a lawyer?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. He is not a lawyer?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. He has no formal training whatsoever.
The CHAIRMAN. How did he become a specialist?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I guess someone touched him and said, "You are

a specialist."

The CHAIRMAN. He just got ordained or anointed?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I assume so. I know he is not an attorney.

The CHAIRMAN. I see a mark by his name. What does that indicate? Mr. FIALKEWICZ. One asterisk indicates he had an arrest record prior to coming on to the WYEAC program.

The CHAIRMAN. He had an arrest record?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. Maybe he become a legal aid specialist by actual experience.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is a possibility.

The CHAIRMAN. I see another name right under his, Lawrence Brown, drawing the same salary as a legal aid specialist. We have an average of 45 people and we have two legal aid specialists. What does his record indicate?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. His record indicates that he had an arrest record prior to being a member of WYEAC and has been since arrested while on WYEAC's staff.

The CHAIRMAN. Apparently he was drawing the same salary, is that correct?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. According to the payrolls, yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You are going by the payrolls with respect to these salaries?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I see another one here, Robert Bolden. He is listed also as a legal aid specialist.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir; he was demoted. He is down in the South Street group now as a youth worker.

The CHAIRMAN. As a what?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Youth worker.

The CHAIRMAN. What are his qualifications?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. He has no formal education. As to his general qualifications I couldn't state, but I know he has no formal education whatsoever.

The CHAIRMAN. What about his arrest record?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. He has two asterisks. That indicates he had an arrest record prior to being a member of the WYEAC organization, on the staff, and he has since been arrested while on the WYEAC staff. The CHAIRMAN. You don't have that information immediately before you but you do know what these arrests were for and how many? Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You say he got demoted. Did he for a while draw $7,358 a year as a specialist, legal aid specialist?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. According to their records he was a legal aid specialist and has since been demoted.

The CHAIRMAN. When did he get this demotion?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. The demotion is noted up there: April 22, 1968. The CHAIRMAN. On the 22d of April he got demoted. Prior to that for some time he had drawn a salary as a legal aid specialist?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. I see here "receptionist." Did they have a headquarters where they had a receptionist?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. This is the central WYEAC headquarters. They had a receptionist there.

The CHAIRMAN. I see here another education specialist, Tyrone Crews. I see he was drawing $4,316. Did you find anything about his qualifications?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Again I say, according to the people who reported this information to me, none has a formal or college education or specialty in education. This duty of Tyrone Crews, as it was explained to me, he was to make contact with the people in the schools to assist them in sending back the dropouts or getting the dropouts from the schools to come back into the schools.

The CHAIRMAN. In this particular school?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. No.

The CHAIRMAN. He was to work with the dropouts from public schools?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is right; to get them to return to schools. That was one of his duties. He was to contact the school authorities and find out what he could do to help these people come back into the schools and so forth.

The CHAIRMAN. What was his arrest record?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. His arrest record indicates that he was arrested prior to his joining WYEAC. He has been arrested since the inception of WYEAC.

The CHAIRMAN. These top people, a lot of them had arrest records before they were hired and other arrests after they were hired. Some of the cases are still pending against them; is that correct?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. I see over here "employment specialist.”
Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. There were two of them. Each got $4,966 a year. One of them had a previous arrest record.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes; one of them was dropped as of April 15, 1968. The CHAIRMAN. We have two recreation specialists at $4,732 a year and both of them had arrest records before and one has been arrested since he has been with this organization.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes. There is only one recreation specialist. The other was dropped on January 19, 1968.

The CHAIRMAN. But both of them had arrest records before and both had arrest records since?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. So one was dropped. We could go on through this, a number of them. We have typists here. We have nine typists out of

the total of 92 employed. Did you find out what they did? Did they teach typing or what?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. No. they were to do the administrative work in the five centers.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you find any work they did with respect to keeping records?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They were timely with their timesheets.

The CHAIRMAN. They got those out all right?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir; they were out every second Friday, biweekly.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you find anything else they got out?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. There were a number of reports they submitted as to the administrative changes and so forth. They have had several correspondences with other organizations. This is about the total of it.

The CHAIRMAN. I find a list here that is quite intriguing. I had not seen this. Youth worker-we have youth worker and youth aid classifications.

It seems a youth worker drew $4,500 to $4,800 a year and a youth aid drew from $3,400 to $3,800 a year. Other than the specialists I have given, and the typists and the center director and assistant director, all we have now is what I am giving you here, two other categoriesyouth worker from $4,500 to $4,800 a year and youth aids from $3,400 to $3,800 a year.

Am I correct?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is correct, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Let me see how many youth workers they had on this chart during this period of time. There are about 30

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Correct. There are 17 youth workers.

The CHAIRMAN. Seventeen youth workers. How many of them had no criminal records or no arrest records? We will call it an arrest record. How many of the 17 have no arrest records?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Out of the 17, according to our records, only three. The CHAIRMAN. Three of the 17 had no arrest records. How many of the 14 that had arrest records were arrested also after they became employed in this project?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Nine, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Nine of the 17 also were arrested after they became youth workers?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir. May I correct my last statement? I said three had no records. It was four.

The CHAIRMAN. Four; 13 had arrest records and four did not.
Mr. FIALKEWICZ. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Now we have another category here called youth. aids, that drew from $3,400 to $3,800 a year. How many of those were employed as youth aids and how many of them-let us get the total number first-what is the total number of youth aids employed? Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Thirty-two, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Thirty-two youth aids employed. How many of those youth aids had no criminal record or no arrest record? Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Eight, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Eight of the 32. Twenty-four of them had arrest records and 13 of the youth workers had arrest records. That is 37 of 49. Is that correct?

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Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Thirty seven of 49 had arrest records. How many had arrest records since they became employed?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. You mean the youth aids?

The CHAIRMAN. The youth aids. We have the other. Nine, I think you said, of the 17 have been arrested since they were employed. Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Thirteen, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And 13 of the 24

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Thirteen out of 32.

The CHAIRMAN. Thirteen out of 32. So, 22 of the total of 49, about half of them, have been arrested since they have been on the job for different offenses.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, do you know what kind of aid they were giving to the youths?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. These were people who contacted the youths down in the areas. These are the people who generally, as I reported, had said to the local officers when they made contact with these peoplethey said they were out "soapboxing." They said that was their job contacting these people.

The CHAIRMAN. Who called it "soapboxing"?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. This was reported to me by police officers. The CHAIRMAN. Did the police officers originate the term "soapboxing" or did the people working in the project call it that?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. I should correct myself on this. I have the wrong source. I got this from the other source about the soapboxing, I got this from a Mr. Johnson and a Mr. Whaley. They used the term "soapboxing."

The CHAIRMAN. Who are they?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They are the Community Action program people in Wilmington, Del.

The CHAIRMAN. They are also on the Federal payroll.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. They do the administrative work for the WYEAC people. They prepare only the administrative work for them, such as the payroll and keep the accounting.

The CHAIRMAN. You got this term from the people identified with this project.

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. This was the term in the conversations. Now, the officers themselves, in my conversation with them, they could never determine what the people were doing. They would use the term, they would have themselves a briefcase and were always on the corners talking to these people which they generally did before they were with WYEAC.

They were always in contact with the same people, whether they were doing the work then or what they were doing as members of WYEAC, it was the same story.

They were just doing what they were doing before.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, they were on the Government payroll for doing nothing?

Mr. FIALKEWICZ. This is my conclusion.

The CHAIRMAN. I can't figure what they were doing walking down to the street corner and talking to people.