been made within my hearing in this House
it would have been my duty at once to in-
terpose on my own authority. The expres
sion, however, was used in the Lobby, and it
will be for the House to determine what
course to take under the circumstances....
The Question now before the House narrows
itself to this one point-It is admitted by the
hon. Member for Stoke that he used the ex-
pression in the Lobby to the hon. Member
for Louth that he was "a liar." It is for
the House to determine whether the obser-
vation should be withdrawn by the hon.
Member for Stoke. [See the proceedings at
length], [233] 951
Order Introduction of the Queen's Name-
The introduction of Her Majesty's name to
influence the judgment of the House is out
of Order, [235] 1596
Order-Alteration of terms of Motion-Reso-
lution moved. After debate, the hon. Mover
wished to alter the terms of his Motion
and to move an Address to Her Majesty.
Mr. Speaker said it was not competent for
him to do so, unless he withdrew his original
Motion, [235] 1625
Order-Addition to Motion-An hon. Member
having given Notice of a Resolution, desired
to add words for the appointment of a Select
Committee. Mr. Speaker said that the
Motion for a Select Committee could not be
put as Notice had not been given of it, and
the other part of the Motion affirmed a dis-
tinct proposition, [235] 904
Order Alteration of Motion-Amendments—
There being an Amendment before the House,
no other Amendment can be considered until
that is disposed of, [236] 69
Alteration of Question-An hon. Mem-
ber having admitted that his Question as
printed in the Notices was not grammatical
or intelligible, Mr. Speaker said it was open
to him now to put it in an intelligible form,
[232] 1861
Order Lords Amendments-The considera-
tion of the Lords Amendments to a Bill
would be stopped if the proposal to do so
were challenged on the ground that they
had not been circulated.-Metropolitan Com-
mons Bill, [235] 1742
Order Moved, "That the Amendments made
by the Lords be now taken into considera-
tion." An Amendment moved. If that
Motion were rejected it would be in Order
to move an Amendment in regard to the Bill
itself, [236] 212
Order Amendments-Resolution moved; an
Amendment moved thereon. No Amend-
ment can now be introduced into the original
Resolution except by way of addition. If the
Amendment were withdrawn the Resolution
would be open to alteration, [236] 45, 48, 69
Order Departmental Statements
Service Estimates-Mr. W. II. Smith, Se-
cretary of the Treasury, having proposed to
make a Statement with regard to Civil Ser-
vice Estimates on moving
"That Mr.
Speaker do now leave the Chair"- Mr.
Speaker said: It is right that I should point
out to the House that the course proposed to
be taken is a departure from the ordinary
practice by which the House is precluded
from discussing Estimates about to be re-
ferred to the Committee of Supply.
House, however, having on a recent occasion
manifested a desire that there should be a
Ministerial Statement with respect to the
Civil Service Estimates, I am bound to give
effect to the wish of the House by allowing
that Statement to be made, [233] 651
The Education Votes-It has been ad-
mitted to be desirable and convenient that
there should be a general Ministerial State-
ment on the Civil Service Estimates on the
Motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair.
The Education Votes are a branch of the
Civil Service Estimates; and it was
proposed that the Vice President of the Com-
mittee of Council should make a Depart-
mental Statement on those Votes with the
Speaker in the Chair.
that the House was, by the course proposed,
Mr. Speaker said
carrying into effect the desire that appeared
to be expressed on the former occasion.
The course proposed did not necessarily
shut out Amendments on going into Com-
mittee of Supply. It would still be com-
petent for hon. Members to bring them for-
ward, [235] 1048, 1049
Order Counting the House-Notice taken,
that 40 Members were not present; House
counted, and 40 Members being found pre-
Very shortly after an hon. Mem-
ber again took Notice that 40 Members were
not present. Mr. Speaker, however, imme-
diately said that 40 Members were present,
and it was unnecessary to count, [235] 1771
Order Committee of Supply-Moved, "That
Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair." Mr.
Gladstone, pursuant to Notice, called atten-
tion to 44
Turkey-The Treaty of 1856."
Debate arising (no Amendment being moved)
after some time, Debate adjourned. The
adjourned debate being simply on the Ques-
tion, "That Mr. Speaker do leave the Chair,"
if no Member rose to move an Amendment
the adjourned debate would naturally proceed
upon that Question; but otherwise, Mr.
Speaker said he should be bound to put any
Amendment which might be moved, and the
discussion would then be confined to that
Amendment, [232] 834
Order-Committee of Supply-Amendment-
It is a Standing Order that when Supply
stands as the first Order of the Day, the
Speaker should, when the Order is read,
forthwith leave the Chair without putting
any Question-unless an Amendment were
moved relating to the particular division of
the Estimates which was to be considered.
The hon. Member for Rochester had given
Notice of an Amendment relating to the
whole of the Civil Service Estimates. Mr.
Speaker said that as the Supplementary Es-
timates, which were set down for conside-
ration, and the hon. Member's Amendment
[cont.
both related to the Civil Service Estimates,
he considered the hon. Member was entitled
to proceed with his Amendment, [232] 1023
Order Committee of Supply-Military Sub-
jects-The rule that military matters can
only be brought on on the Motion to go into
Committee of Supply when the Committee
is about to consider the Army Estimates,
only applies to Motions when Supply is the
first Order of the Day, [235] 1032
Order Questions-Moving the Adjournment
of the House. Mr. Speaker: The hon. Mem-
ber says he will conclude with a Motion. I
am not here to prevent the hon. Member
from taking any course which the Forms of
the House will permit; but I do not think I
should be doing my duty to the House if I
did not point out in the strongest manner
the serious inconvenience that would arise
if an hon. Member should put a Question
upon any subject, and not being satisfied with
the Answer he receives, should move the
Adjournment of the House.
The hon. Member for Dundee has thought
proper to move the Adjournment of the
House and I have no power to interfere,
[233] 978; [234] 33, 1301, 1303
Order-Motion for Adjournment of the House
-When there is a Question before the House
it is quite open to move the Adjournment of
the House upon that Question, but in doing
so an hon. Member must confine himself to
the Question.-Customs and Inland Revenue
Bill, [232] 1733, 1734
Order Effect of moving the Adjournment
of the Debate-An hon. Member having
moved that the Debate [on International Ma-
ritime Law] be now adjourned, was said to
have precluded himself from speaking on
the main Question. Mr. Speaker said if the
House should negative the Motion for Ad-
journment, the hon. Member would then have
exhausted his right of speaking on the main
Question, [232] 1341
Order-Effect of seconding the Motion for the
Adjournment of the Debate-Supply-Reso-
lutions [16th July] reported-17th Resolu-
tion-Moved to reduce the Vote by £5,000
(Mr. Parnell). Mr. Biggar seconded the
Motion. Amendt. proposed, &c. Mr. Biggar
rose to address the House. Mr. Speaker
said, that the hon. Member having seconded
the Motion, had no right to speak further on
the subject, [236] 621
Order-Bill considered, as amended-Before
an Amendment can be moved to a clause,
the clause will have to be read a second
time.-Prisons Bill, [234] 1329
Order Gas Companies Bills-New Standing
Order for the insertion in such Bills of
clauses suggested by the Board of Trade.
Objected, that a Standing Order to that
effect would virtually repeal an Act of Par-
liament, and could not therefore be put from
the Chair. Mr. Speaker explained that
this Standing Order is in the nature of an
Instruction to the Committee to insert
clauses in a Bill to give effect to that Stand-
ing Order. If the Bill should pass with
those clauses inserted existing Acts would
be affected by a Bill passing through its
different stages, and not by a Standing Order,
[233] 693
Order-Withdrawal of parts of Notice of Mo-
tion. Mr. Gladstone having given Notice of
five Resolutions respecting the Eastern
Question, proposed to withdraw the third
and fourth. An hon. Member asked whe-
ther the right hon. Gentleman would not
have to obtain the consent of the House to
that course; and whether he could withdraw
them without giving a reason? Mr. Speaker
said the House had no power to compel the
right hon. Gentleman, after proposing his
first Resolution, to go on with the Resolu-
tions succeeding, [234] 385
Official Documents-If the right hon. Gentle-
man [the Judge Advocate] quotes official
documents, it is no doubt the practice that
they should be laid on the Table, [235] 935
Privilege-Circulars to Members-The atten-
tion of Mr. Speaker having been directed to
a certain circular addressed to Members-
Mr. Speaker could not say that the offence
contained in it was of so grave a character as
to constitute it a breach of Privilege; but,
at the same time, expressions such as those
contained in the circular were calculated to
influence the independence of Members, and
as such were highly reprehensible, [235]
Privilege-Notice of a Motion affecting the
conduct of an hon. Member-According to
the general practice of the House, no ques-
tion of this character is dealt with as a
matter of Privilege, unless it is urgent in
point of time and directly affects the Privi-
leges of this House, or of Members of this
House, [235] 829
Privilege-Offensive Expressions to a Member
used in the Lobby-see ante
Question-Answer-If the hon. Member pro-
posed to ask the same Question which the
right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the
Exchequer declined to answer yesterday he
was altogether out of Order, [235] 1796
Questions-Notice-An hon. Member having
put a Question of which he had given Notice,
and not being satisfied with the Answer,
sought to ask a further Question. Mr.
Speaker said, that if the hon. Member pro-
posed to put a new Question, he was bound
to give Notice of it, [232] 470; [234] 262
Questions Argumentative Questions
Question referring to a preceding debate in
this House, or which is of an argumentative
character, is one which, according to the
practice of the House, cannot properly be
put, [233] 967
An hon. Member having put a Question
respecting Russia and Turkey, Mr. Speaker
said that a Question of that character should
be submitted to the House in the form of a
Motion, as it involved matters of argument
and debate, [234] 498
An hon. Member in asking a Question
cannot enter into a debate upon it, [232]
1860
Questions to private Members-According to
the Rules of the House no Question can be
put by one hon. Member to another, not
being a Minister of the Crown, unless that
Question relates to some Bill or Motion be-
fore the House, [234] 1239; [235] 684
Supply-"Setting-up" Committee of Supply-
Supply June 22. Moved, "That Mr. Speaker
do now leave the Chair;" Amendment
thereon-House counted out June 25;
Moved, according to Notice, "That this
House will immediately resolve itself into
Committee of Supply." An hon. Member
inquired whether, as a matter of Order, the
Motion could be put from the Chair without
the unanimous consent of this House! Mr.
Speaker: The House is aware that in conse-
quence of the count-out the Committee of
Supply on Friday night last became a lapsed
Order. Therefore, the House cannot go into
Committee of Supply unless the Order is
again set up. The proceeding is usual and
reasonable, and no other Notice besides that
which appears on the Paper to-day, is neces-
sary according to the practice of the House,
[235] 203
Mr. Speaker explains that when a Motion
is made that this House do immediately re-
solve itself into Committee of Supply, the
object of that Motion is to "set up" Com-
mittee of Supply, and for no other purpose,
261
Cost of Printed Returns-This is a matter for
the consideration of the House, and not for
the Speaker, [135] 1738
[Refer to the debates on Rules of Debate,
New Rules of Debate, &c. under title
"Parliament"]
SPENCER, Earl
Prisons (Ireland), 2R. [236] 530
SPINKS, Mr. Serjeant F. L., Oldham
County Franchise and Re-distribution of Seats,
Res. [235] 539
Legal Business of the Government-Report of
the Departmental Committee, [234] 1759
Railway Passenger Duty, Res. [233] 1306
Supply-Paris International Exhibition, [235]
STACPOOLE, Captain W., Ennis
Army-Command of the Home District, [234]
Regimental Majors and Lieutenant Colo-
nels, [235] 1177
County Officers and Courts (Ireland), Comm.
el. 93, [236] 414
Intoxicating Liquors (Ireland), 2R. [235] 1454
Ireland-Boards of Guardians, &c. [235] 1521
Ireland-Borough Franchise, Res. [234] 1895
Ireland-Irish Land Question, Res. [234] 74
Parliamentary and Municipal Registration,
Nomination of Committee, [236] 135
Roberts Court Martial, Motion for an Address,
[235] 946
Turkey Military Contributions of Egypt,
[234] 263
VOL. CCXXXVI. [THIRD SERIES.]
STANLEY of ALDERLEY, Lord-cont.
Mediterranean-Security for Commerce, Mo-
tion for an Address, [234] 356
Russia (United Greek Church), Address for a
Paper, [234] 1812, 1825
Russia and Poland-Prince Tcherkaskoi, [236]
210
Russia and the Porte-Circular Despatch of
the Ottoman Government, Motion for Papers,
[235] 1506
Russia and Turkey-The War-Excesses by
the Russian Army, [235] 477
Turkey-Instructions, The, [232] 676
Stationery Office, Controller of the-Ap-
pointment of Mr. T. D. Pigott
234] Question, Sir Colman O'Loghlen; Answer,
Mr. W. H. Smith June 15, 1849; Question,
Mr. J. Holms; Answer, Mr. W. H. Smith
June 18, 1943
235] Amendt. on Committee of Supply July 16,
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To leave out from "That," and add "having
regard to the recommendations made in
1874 by the Select Committee on Public
Departments (Purchases, &c.), this House is
of opinion that the recent appointment of
Controller of Her Majesty's Stationery Office
is calculated to diminish the usefulness and
influence of Select Committees of this House,
and to discourage the interest and zeal of
officials employed in the Public Departments
of the State" (Mr. John Holms) v., 1330;
after debate, Question put, "That the words,
&c.;" A. 152, N. 156; M. 4 (D. L. 233)
Words added; main Question, as amended, put,
and agreed to
Personal Statement, The Earl of Beaconsfield;
Observations, Earl Granville; short debate
thereon July 19, 1477
Resolution of 16th July, Observations, The
Chancellor of the Exchequer; short debate
thereon July 20, 1564
Orders of the Day postponed; Resolution [16th
July] read
Moved, "That this House, while most anxious
to maintain the usefulness and influence of
its Select Committees, and to encourage the
interest and zeal of officials employed in the
Public Departments of the State, after hear-
STEWART, Mr. M. J., Wigton Bo.
Army Estimates - Volunteer Corps Pay, &
[235] 646
Cattle Plague, [234] 109
Cattle Plague and Importation of Live Stock
Nomination of Select Committee, [234] 18
201, 305
China-Yunnan, Expedition to, [232] 584
Chinese Coolies, Immigration of, to Queens
land, [233] 118
Church Rates Abolition (Scotland), 2R
Amendt. [235] 1430
Colorado Beetle, [235] 410
County Training Schools and Ships, 2R. [234
1020
Eastern Question-Resolutions (Mr. Glad
stone), [234] 400
Egypt-Colonel Gordon, [232] 1451
Game Laws (Scotland) Amendment, 2R. [232]
783, 785; Lords Amendts. Consid. [235.
1241
Locomotives on Common Roads, 2R. [235] 55
Married Women's Property (Scotland), 2R.
[233] 1411
Parliament-Public Business, Arrangement of,
[234] 995
Scotch Business, [232]947
Parliamentary and Municipal Elections-Hours
of Polling, Res. [233] 393
Roads and Bridges (Scotland), 2R. [234] 1877
Sheriff Courts (Scotland), Comm. cl. 7, [236]
STORER, Mr. G., Nottinghamshire, S.
Cattle Plague and Importation of Live Stock,
Nomination of Select Committee, [234] 184
Irish Land Question, Res. [234] 68
Locomotives on Common Roads, 2R. [235] 55
Manchester and Milford and Mid-Wales Rail-
way Companies, 2R. [232] 1964
Public Works (Consolidated Fund), Res. [233]
1726
Valuation of Property, 2R. Motion for Ad-
journment, [232] 1634
Ways and Means-Financial Statement, [233]
1026
Allowances to Troops, Question, Mr. Serjeant
Simon; Answer, Mr. Gathorne Hardy April 9,
[233] 772
Malay Peninsula-Medals for the Malay Cam-
paign, Questions, Mr. Serjeant Simon; An-
swers, Mr. Gathorne Hardy April 16, [233]
1214; July 26, [235] 1854;-Expenses of
the Campaign, Question, Sir Charles W.
Dilke; Answer, Mr. J. Lowther July 17,
[235] 1387;-Perak, Questions, Sir Charles
W. Dilke; Answers, Mr. J. Lowther April 26,
[233] 1940
The Judicial Staff, Question, Mr. Alderman
W. M'Arthur; Answer, Mr. J. Lowther
April 23, [233] 1669
Malay Peninsula-Further Corre-
spondence
Army (Promotion)-The Warrant and Memo-
randum, [236] 160
Eastern Question, [236] 668
Matrimonial Causes Acts Amendment, 2R.
[236] 809, 811
Sugar Convention of 7th March
Questions, Mr. Wait; Answers, Mr. Bourke
April 27, [234] 29; May 10, 622; Question,
Mr. Thornhill; Answer, Mr. Bourke June 25,
[235] 201
SULLIVAN, Mr. A. M., Louth Co.
Army-Commissariat and Store Departments,
[233] 376
Militia Recruits, [232] 1017
Army-Gunner Charlton, Case of, Res. [232]
1376
Artizans Dwellings Act, 1875-Demolition of
St. Giles's, [233] 1541
Cattle Plague and Importation of Live Stock,
SULLIVAN, Mr. A. M.-cont.
Highways, [235] 196
Intoxicating Liquors (Ireland), 2R. [235] 1426,
1427, 1428, 1430, 1433, 1447, 1462, 1468
Ireland-Miscellaneous Questions
Antiquities-The Annals of Ulster, [236]
Case of Mr. J. A. Browne, [233] 1541
Criminal Law-Alleged Assault, [233] 488,
489;-Alleged Outrage in Derry, [236]
Drunkenness, [233] 193
Local Government, [232] 263
Magistracy Mr. W. Ancketell, Case of,
[232] 1967, 1969; [233] 772; [235] 92,
1046
Royal Irish Constabulary, [234] 1602
Ireland-Irish Parliament, Motion for a Select
Committee, [233] 1844
Ireland-Magistracy-Mr. W. Ancketell, Case
of, Res. [234] 321, 328, 337
Land Tenure (Ireland), 2R. [233] 285
Marine Mutiny, Comm. cl. 28, [233] 1227 ; cl. 29,
1229; cl. 30, Amendt. 1230, 1231; Amendt.
1235
Navy-H.M.S." Vanguard," [232] 727
Newspapers Registration, 2R. [233] 947
Parliament-Miscellaneous Questions
Orders of the Day, [236] 22, 23
Privilege-Mr. Sullivan and Dr. Kenealy,
[233] 951
Sir James Elphinstone, [236] 542, 752
Parliament-Debates-Official Reports, Res.
[233] 1619, 1620
Parliament-New Rules of Debate, Res. [236]
71, 78
Prisons, Comm. cl. 20, [233] 343, 354, 355;
cl. 42, 528; add. cl. 532, 534, 545; Consid.
add. cl. [234] 1471; cl. 40, 1796
Russia and Turkey-The War-Egypt, [234]
497, 498
St. Giles and St. Luke's Joint Charities, 2R.
[232] 1080
Sale of Intoxicating Liquors on Sunday (Ire-
land), 2R. [232] 200, 201; [234] 1775; Re-
comm. [235] 872, 373, 708; Motion for
Adjournment, 1182
South Africa, Comm. Preamble, [235] 1817;
el. 39, Amendt. [236] 299, 300
Supply-Civil Services and Revenue Depart-
ments, [233] 786, 787
Public Education, Ireland, [235] 1231
Report, [236] 621
Supreme Court of Judicature (Ireland), Comm.
[235] 163; cl. 8, 268; [236] 304
Turkey-Treaty of 1856, [232] 571
Turkey-Negotiations-Guarantees, Res. [233]
Summary Jurisdiction Bill
(Mr. Secretary Cross, Mr. Solicitor General, Sir
Henry Selwin-Ibbetson)
Nomination of Select Committee, [234] 197, c. Motion for Leave (Mr. Assheton Cross)
201; Motion for Adjournment, 202
Criminal Law-Miscellaneous Questions
Political Prisoners, Release of, [234] 1579
Stamford, Alleged Outrage at, [232] 1217,
1970
Eastern Question-Resolutions (Mr. Glad-
stone), [234] 386
April 17, [233] 1375; after short debate,
Motion agreed to; Bill ordered; read 1o
Read 20 April 30
[Bill 137]
Committee; Report May 17 [Bill 173]
Order for Committee (on re-comm.) read;
Moved, That Mr. Speaker do now leave
the Chair" June 15, [234] 1881
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