The CHAIRMAN. Was that during the Pine Bluff job?

Mr. GILES. No, sir; that was the Ozark job.

The CHAIRMAN. You are almost a charter member of that union; are you not?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. While you worked on that job, you became a fitter foreman, is that correct?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. And did Mr. Yocom give you any instructions about giving out receipts?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. And what instructions did he give you?

Mr. GILES. He told me to not give those out-of-town boys any receipts for money for dues that I collected.

The CHAIRMAN. Dues or assessments?

Mr. GILES. For assessments; yes, sir. And if I did give them any, to write on there that it was a volunteer contribution. Of course, a lot of them we didn't give them no receipts whatsoever.

Mr. ADLERMAN. You were told to write "voluntary contribution"? Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. The men did not sign that this was a voluntary contribution?

Mr. GILES. No, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you give any receipts with the words "voluntary contribution" on it?

Mr. GILES. I don't think so.

Mr. ADLERMAN. When you gave the receipts to the men in local 706, did you give them the carbon copy or the original?

Mr. GILES. I give them a copy just like that right there [indicating]. Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you give them the top piece?

Mr. GILES. Under that there, you had an envelope and you put your money in there, so I was supposed to give that to Mr. Yocom, and he carried it in an envelope and that was torn off.

Mr. ADLERMAN. There were given only to the men who were in local 706?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. ADLERMAN. The men who were ont in 706 did not receive this type of receipt?

Mr. GILES. That is correct.

Mr. ADLERMAN. You kept them yourself?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir. The reason I kept them was on several jobs— you know, from just a common viewpoint, they could accuse me of taking some of that money. I know the way the money was put in there and handled that anybody could have opened it up and took the money. They could have come back and said "You stole this money and we are going to run you off." I kept those there for my own proof.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you mean where you collected from the men you were told not to give receipts to, you collected the receipts yourself so you would know what you collected and what you had? Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And you kept it for your own information?
Mr. GILES. That is right; and I have some more at home.

The CHAIRMAN. I hand you some 12 or 15 or more of these receipts. They are in different names, your name, Mr. Manning, and others.

Mr. GILES. There are a lot of them where I just wrote them under mine. You will see a lot of them there, several names, all wrote on

one.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, I will hand you these slips or receipts as we term them, and ask you to examine them and state what they are. There are some 12, 15, or 20 of them. Just tell me what they are generally.

(The documents were handed to the witness.)

Mr. GILES. Well, this assessment is $2.

The CHAIRMAN. What do these receipts represent? Are these what you kept when you collected the money from the men?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You would make a note on these receipts of the money you collected from the men?

Mr. GILES. From the men; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. So you would have a record of what you collected? Mr. GILES. That is right; so I would have a record.

The CHAIRMAN. But you gave the men you collected it from no receipt?

Mr. GILES. They didn't get no receipts.

The CHAIRMAN. This is what they were supposed to get?

Mr. GILES. That is what they are supposed to have; that is right.
The CHAIRMAN. What you kept?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And you were instructed not to give it to them? Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. The members of local 706 did get those receipts? Mr. GILES. They got a copy of this; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. They got that receipt, a copy of it?

Mr. GILES. They got another one; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, that is the form of receipt they got?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. But the men in local 155 and in local 665 and the permit workers got nothing?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. But you, in taking their money, would make these receipts out and keep them yourself?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. That was so that you would have a record of what you collected?

Mr. GILES. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. These sample receipts may be made exhibit No. 20 for reference.

(The documents referred to were marked "Exhibit No. 20" for reference and may be found in the files of the subcommittee.)

Mr. GILES. I don't suppose that they know that I have these receipts. The CHAIRMAN. You say you have lots of them that you kept? Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. But this is just

Mr. GILES. I just brought a few with me.

The CHAIRMAN. This is a small sample of the many that you kept? Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. When you collected this money it was $3.50 a week. If they failed to pay, what happened to them?

Mr. GILES. Well, I had one man up there and he went on for a week or two and he did not-you know, I said one, but I just remember one. The CHAIRMAN. There may have been more than one?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Speaking about one, specifically.

Mr. GILES. Mr. Yocom kept on asking me about the boy, about his paying. Finally he just didn't pay, so he told me to tell him to go see Earl. I told him to go see Earl. The fact of the business was that he wrote him out a termination.

The CHAIRMAN. A termination? What is that, a firing?

Mr. GILES. That is what you call it.

The CHAIRMAN. Why did you write it out?

Mr. GILES. I just now forget.

The CHAIRMAN. Were you told to write it out?

Mr. GILES. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Was there any other reason for firing him other than because he didn't pay this assessment?

Mr. GILES. Not that I know of.

The CHAIRMAN. Did he work there after he got the termination? Mr. GILES. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Was he a permit worker of 155 or 655?

Mr. GILES. I think really he was out of local 706, but he drank a whole lot and at that time he was staying in Little Rock and he was one of them guys that he just wouldn't

The CHAIRMAN. He may have been out of local 706?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Anyway, he did not pay and he did not work?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you do with this money after you would collect it from these men?

Mr. GILES. Give it to Mr. Red Yocom.

The CHAIRMAN. Would you collect it once a week?

Mr. GILES. Well, we would collect it sometimes once a week and then

2 weeks or something like that.

The CHAIRMAN. You kept up with it pretty well?

Mr. GILES. Yes; we seen that they paid.

The CHAIRMAN. How often did you get a payday?

Mr. GILES. Every week.

The CHAIRMAN. You got a payday every week?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. If you missed it 1 week, you undertook to get it the next week?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did this money run into considerable sums?

Mr. GILES. I would think so.

The CHAIRMAN. Would you know how many people may have been working there on the job?

Mr. GILES. It seems like at one time somebody told me there was over 1,000 people working there, fitters.

The CHAIRMAN. That were paying these assessments?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. One thousand people working there would run $3,500 a week that was being collected in this manner. What would you do with the money? How would you handle the money in transmitting it to Yocom? What was the money in?

Mr. GILES. In a little envelope. That little old slip that I give you, it was fastened to a little envelope, and that had the carbon on there. Then on this envelope it had the same thing. Just as if the envelope is under here, and when I would mark on the slip it would print on the envelope.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, the envelope had a duplicate of this so-called receipt?

Mr. GILES. That is right, and it had a little flap and you would seal it up and put the money in and give to Mr. Yocum.

The CHAIRMAN. So the receipt attended the envelope in which the money was deposited when originally paid?

Mr. GILES. That is right. That is the reason they could tell who paid and who did not pay.

The CHAIRMAN. But the man who was not of local 706, who was of local 665, and of local 155, and the permit worker, the top receipt, the original receipt would be torn off but not given to him?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. That was retained, just as you retained these, but you retained them for your own information.

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And you didn't turn these in?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you observe what became of the money? Do you know or did you ever have any accounting to the local of what became of this money after it was turned in?

Mr. GILES. No, sir; I never did have any idea what they done with it, but I know there was a lot of money collected. Where it went and what they done with it, I don't know.

The CHAIRMAN. Are you still a member of that local?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Has there ever been an accounting of all of it that you know of?

Mr. GILES. Well, they get up there and a lot of time they will tell something about how much money they got, and maybe they will get up there I heard some of the boys here about a month ago, and they get up there and they will say, "Well, there was so much expense last month." Well, they will have a light bill, they will have an insurance, and the expense accounts, and somebody would say we wanted that broke down so that we can tell what it is for. They will say they can't understand it. Well, then, somebody will get up there and say “Yes, I understand it," and they will vote it down. The CHAIRMAN. In other words, it is so jumbled up that nobody can tell?

Mr. GILES. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And if you raise any question about it, they won't make explanation about it?

Mr. GILES. If you don't do what they want you to do, you won't work.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you experienced anything like that, personally?

Mr. GILES. I haven't worked in over 2 years.

The CHAIRMAN. And yet you are almost a charter member?
Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Have others worked that have less seniority than you?

Mr. GILES. There are a lot of them that work from one job to another and if they are working on a job over here that is about through with, they will take him off that and send him out to the next job. The CHAIRMAN. Why would they not give you work?

Mr. GILES. Maybe it is because I don't see as they do all the time. The CHAIRMAN. In other words, there is no reason for not giving you work except that they want to discriminate against you and punish you and retaliate for your opposition to the way they operate? Is there any other explanation?

Mr. GILES. Not that I know of.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you tried to get work from them?

Mr. GILES. I have been down there, yes, sir; and they have a little old book there, a tablet, to write your name on, who is out of work. A lot of times you will go to the local and they will ask who isn't working to stand up, and you stand up, and that is all there is. The CHAIRMAN. They know you are out of work?

Mr. GILES. They know it.

The CHAIRMAN. And you reported you are out of work?
Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. But they give you no work?

Mr. GILES. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You have to get your work from Griffin?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. If he does not want you to work, you would not work?

Mr. GILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. If you go out and get a job on your own, what happens then?

Mr. GILES. There was one time that I went off on a job, after clearing out of the Pine Bluff local. It was 1955, as I recollect. Mr. Gray went to work at Lima. So he wrote me and told me he thought I could get on up there. I went by and got my clearance card, my book, and I went to Lima and cleared in the Lima, Ohio, local. I went up there, getting up there on Friday. I went up and saw the business agent on Saturday. I went up there Monday and he gave me a work order and I went to work. I worked up there 3 or 4 months; I don't know just exactly how long. My father had a stroke, and they called me and told me the doctor wanted him to go to bed, but they couldn't do anything, and that they wanted me to come up to Louisiana.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, to shorten it, did they let you work or not?