Mr. MUNDIE. That is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there any further explanation in connection with it? I want to be fair with Mr. Griffin, because he should know. I do not know whether he has had time to read the whole record.

Mr. MUNDIE. No, there is no other explanation of it. I started in August of 1951 and ended in June of 1953, the same period that the bank account was running.

The CHAIRMAN. You just covered the period that the bank account was running?

Mr. MUNDIE. That is correct, according to the U.S. Army audit reports.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Griffin, what percentage of the men that worked on this job were from your union?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Well, Senator, I would have to estimate.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I would say two-fifths.

The CHAIRMAN. Two-fifths were from your union. They all paid? Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Eventually they did, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. There was no one in your union who refused to pay who worked, was there?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Generally speaking, all but 1 percent did.

The CHAIRMAN. All but 1 percent of the two-fifths paid?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I would say that.

The CHAIRMAN. How many men did you have in your union that worked on this job?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I wouldn't remember.

The CHAIRMAN. What is your membership now?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Senator, I haven't seen those records in 5 years. I imagine they have 800. I am just guessing.

Mr. MUNDIE. Mr. Yocom said 3,000.

Senator ERVIN. He said that many on the job in a certain week.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. But, gentlemen, you are failing to see the fact that a man can work 1 day that week, or he might be on the payroll for that week and not work a day.

The CHAIRMAN. I do not know why he would be on the payroll and not work.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. He is listed. Here are the records, Senator. Senator ERVIN. All I know is Mr. Yocom said that at times there were 3,000 people working on the job.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. No, not at the same time.

The CHAIRMAN. I am trying to unravel this thing. I do not want to make a record if it is not correct. I want to give you every reason to explain it. From those records you do not have any record, no ledger or record kept by you that could be audited to go back to figure out if all of these men paid, or if, when they did pay, that money went into this joint venture account? You have no records to show it, have you?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Senator McClellan, I have looked religiously. I am still looking. But everything that is now down there we are going back through and turning over twice on each side. Here is a record

The CHAIRMAN. It seems to me that anybody operating in a manner like this would have kept a record of each man and what he paid.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. We did on our card indexes, Senator. If you would get the young ladies to testify

The CHAIRMAN. It looks to me like it would have been audited. You were handling a lot of money.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. It was audited by our finance committee.

The CHAIRMAN. The audit reports that you show here do not show anything except that so much money was distributed.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I am not an auditor or a photographer, but we found the finest auditors we could find. These are the only audit records I find. But here is a record of employment on certain days, maybe not on the days you want, but I am sure that evidently we have had some mis-testimony somewhere.

The CHAIRMAN. Are there any further questions?

All right. Proceed to interrogate him regarding the expenses.

Mr. ADLERMAN. I will try to be as brief as possible on this. I know it is late.

There are certain expenditures that were made on behalf of the union which we would like to ask you some questions about. there are some that are Christmas gifts. Were those Christmas gifts authorized by the union, by the membership?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I am sure they were.

Mr. ADLERMAN. There were 20 diplomat briefcases at $57.50 each; 20 men's two-suiter cases at $79 each; 4 ladies' wardrobe cases; pilot flight cases at $69 each, 2 of them; 2 ladies' hat and shoe cases

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Those went to the local union, those two, those pilot briefcases.

Mr. ADLERMAN. One for you and one for your brother?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. They are there at the local. They are there for whoever needs to use them. They are in the airplane, the local's airplane, one of them, and one has never been used.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Were they authorized by the membership?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I am sure they were.

Mr. DUFFY. Mr. Griffin, did you have anything to do with the disbursement or purchase of these gifts yourself?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Well, I recommended what types, I imagine, to get.

Mr. DUFFY. You had nothing to do with the local union at that time, did you? This is 1958.

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. If you are wanting testimony, I would not swear, but I am reasonably sure that they would say: "Will these be good gifts? Would you recommend these gifts?" I am bound to have had something to do with it. I might not have, but I just feel that I did, since I was there.

Mr. ADLERMAN. I notice there are some other expenditures in the nature of sporting goods, like tackle and fishing bait; an outboard motor for a boat at $148; a pump gun for $104; a rifle at $120; a fishing reel for $30; a rod at $25; a 14-foot boat for $195; a Remington automatic shotgun at $105; two pairs buckle overshoes, $12.14; electric blanket at $42; three insulated hunting coats at $104.

What was the purpose of these items, the purchase of these items? Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. For business use.

Mr. ADLERMAN. For business use?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. We sell labor. That is all we have to sell is labor, and it is quite competitive.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Why would you buy sporting equipment?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Well, most men who work, if they have any time off, they enjoy sports more than anything else. I have always found that that

Mr. ADLERMAN. Who would use this equipment?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Company supervision, associates from without our State, from over the country.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you use it?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Me? If I were with them I would get the benefit out of it on occasions.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you ever use it without them being present? Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. You are speaking of what, a motor or a boat? Mr. ADLERMAN. A motor or a boat?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I am quite certain on occasions I have used it, the same as I have the automobile.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Where were the motor and outboard motor kept? Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Just like the photograph equipment and other stuff. I was responsible for it at the time I was in office.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Where did you keep this hunting equipment?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Some of it in the garage, sometimes in the local union, sometimes left on the river.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did you have a fish camp?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. Me? Surely. Well, now, I say I have a fish camp. We have built it up over a period of years. If you want to call it mine, it started at scrap and the union has always used it. I have not stayed in it in years. I have visited it on occasions a few times a year.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Who has title to it? Who owns it?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I don't even know that there is any record of it. Mr. ADLERMAN. Do you keep the equipment at that fish camp?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. A lot of it. I say a lot, there is the boat and motor kept down there.

Mr. ADLERMAN. And do you and your brother use it mostly?

Mr. EARL GRIFFIN. I have been fishing, I guess, three or four times in 2 years. Maybe a half of dozen times. I could not be specific, but if you call that using it, I would. But it is mostly used by members, by guests, management.

Mr. ADLERMAN. I have no further questions.

The CHAIRMAN. I am sorry we will not have the opportunity to further interrogate you about these matters, and I don't want to ask you now to come back up here, and I don't want to hold you over until tomorrow.

May I suggest to your counsel that he read over this record, and he has seen the other, if he wants to keep it tonight and go over it so he can mark anything I don't want to release it to the press-if he wants to look them over he may and go over them to get into his mind any of this testimony.

Then if he wishes to further answer anything that is in the record, you may prepare an affidavit in proper form and send it up here to us. I am doing that, trying to be accommodating, and not to keep you here. I don't want to deny to him the opportunity to place any material fact in the record that you think we should have in it. I don't know how to do it any better than that. We have to leave now to vote.

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Mr. GENTRY. I can keep these how long?

The CHAIRMAN. How long will you be?

Mr. GENTRY. I will be here until this weekend, anyhow.

The CHAIRMAN. As long as you are here in Washington you may keep them. I don't want you to take them away.

Mr. GENTRY. May I make copies of what I think is pertinent?

The CHAIRMAN. You may make notes, but don't make photostatic copies. I can't do that. I am going overboard right now to accommodate you.

Mr. GENTRY. If you don't want that done, to be frank and candid with you, it will not be done.

The CHAIRMAN. I don't want it actually copied, but you may make notes upon which you may predicate any refutation of it. I cannot just release these records.

Well, with that, the committee will be in recess, subject to the call of the Chair.

The record will be kept for such further information as the committee may desire to receive.*

(Whereupon, the committee recessed at 6:39 p.m., to reconvene subject to the call of the Chair. Members of the subcommittee present at time of recess: Senators McClellan and Ervin.)

*See appendix, p. 237.

APPENDIX

After these hearings had been concluded, several documents pertaining to the matter under investigation were received by the subcommittee. Pursuant to the instructions of the chairman, they have been made exhibits and are reproduced below.

EXHIBIT No. 34

AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF ARKANSAS,

County of Union, ss:

I, Mrs. M. C. Carter, who currently resides at 908 Haney Avenue, El Dorado, Ark., make the following statement:

From July 1949 to July 1955 I was employed as secretary and bookkeeper in the office of local 706, Steamfitters & Plumbers Union, El Dorado, Ark.

During the period 1951-54, the Government constructed a large arsenal at Pine Bluff, Ark. It was a huge construction job and a large number of men worked out of local 706. In conversations with Earl Griffin, business manager of local 706, he advised me that everyone was required to pay a weekly assessment that worked on this job. I kept a record of the assessment moneys that came into the office of local 706. Most of the workers on this job were members of local 706. I kept cards on the assessment payments received from members, not only of local 706 workers, but also from individuals from local 665 and local 155. Nothing was ever said to me about voluntary contributions from workers on the Pine Bluff job. Everyone was required to pay the assessment money, thus very few were delinquent in their payment. I cannot recall ever making up a list of people on the Pine Bluff job that were delinquent in their assessment payments. However, if I did make up such a list, all workers on the Pine Bluff job whom we had a record on in the office were put on the list if he was behind in his payments. No distinction was made between members of local 706 and members of other locals because all members were required to pay the weekly assessment into local 706. All the assessment moneys that were delivered to the office of local 706 were delivered by Mr. "Red" Yocum or Mr. Earl Griffin.

I am currently waiting for portcall to join my husband in Germany.
The above statement is true and accurate to my best knowledge.
Mrs. M. C. CARTER.

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 26th day of August 1960.
[SEAL]

My commission expires July 26, 1961.

A. DEBOSER,
Notary Public.

EXHIBIT No. 35

M. L. J. DUFFY,

FEDERAL RECORDS CENTER, GSA,
U.S. NAVAL STATION, BUILDING 10,
New Orleans, La., November 8, 1960.

Senate McClellan Investigating Committee, Room 101, Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C.

DEAR MR. DUFFY: The additional searches relating to retained records of the Blaw-Knox Co., CPFF contract No. DA-49-129-eng 99, which you requested on November 7, 1960, have been completed.

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