The CHAIRMAN. On that project.

Mr. KELLEY. I was there 18 months.

The CHAIRMAN. You were there at this construction project job for 18 months?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you do any work for the union while you were there other than for construction work? Did you keep any books for the union?

Mr. KELLEY. I set up the card system on all the fitters that was on the job.

The CHAIRMAN. You set up a card system on all the fitters, the workers?

Mr. KELLEY. The workers in that craft.

The CHAIRMAN. What craft?

Mr. KELLEY. The pipefitters.

The CHAIRMAN. All who came within that category, you set up a card system?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Was that for the union?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right. You see, the crafts were broken down into different classifications and those classifications were identified by a prefix number. I have forgotten what our prefix number was on that job, but that is the way we identified our craft, by the prefix number.

The CHAIRMAN. You set a prefix number and set up cards on everybody that worked?

Mr. KELLEY. In that craft, yes.

The CHAIRMAN. And under the jurisdiction of this union?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. How many local unions did you have that were working there?

Mr. KELLEY. We had people from all over.

The CHAIRMAN. From all over?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir. Houston, Beaumont, Little Rock, Pine Bluff, Wyoming, Colorado, and everywhere else. They were there from all over the country.

The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you this: Did the people who worked there from other unions, whether they were union members or not, have to pay this $3.50 a week assessment?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you get a receipt when you paid that?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir. When I paid it?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you have such receipts?

Mr. KELLEY. I do have.

The CHAIRMAN. May we have them and make an exhibit of them? We will not take all of them.

Mr. KELLEY. They are not all legible. I have had them folded. All of them are written in pencil, I believe.

The CHAIRMAN. The purpose is just to show the nature and the kind of receipt that was given to some who worked.

Mr. KELLEY. You will notice those receipts carry no number or anything. It is strictly a nonsystematized operation. I mean for a

way of accounting purposes or anything. There is nothing there to identify who was getting receipts or who wasn't, or how many receipts they were issuing or what.

Senator MUSKIE. Didn't anyone sign these?

Yes, I see it now.

The CHAIRMAN. The foreman signed them, did he not?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. May I instruct the staff in your presence to select some four or five out of this batch of receipts that you have that would be representative?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. They will be made exhibit 17.

(The documents referred to were marked "Exhibit 17" for reference and may be found in the files of the subcommittee.)

The CHAIRMAN. The others remaining will be returned to you. We just want a sample of them.

What happened to those who worked there in this category_that came under the jursidiction of this particular trade, if they did not pay the $3.50 per week?

Mr. KELLEY. Well, they were terminated, but for what purpose I don't know.

The CHAIRMAN. How do you know they were terminated?

Mr. KELLEY. I don't recollect, as far back as that is, I can't recallI can't recall any particular instance. But I do know that it did happen.

The CHAIRMAN. Who was the general foreman there?

Mr. KELLEY. The ramrod of the deal was the steward.

The CHAIRMAN. Who was he?

Mr. KELLEY. A. M. "Red" Yocom.

The CHAIRMAN. What was his policy and what statements did you hear him make with respect to this $3.50 payment each week?

Mr. KELLEY. Everybody had to pay it or they would go. That was Yocom's word, or they would go.

The CHAIRMAN. That was Yocom's word?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you do to enable him to determine who was making the payments and who were not?

Mr. KELLEY. I Would keep a list of these assessments that were being paid in as these envelopes would come into the office. I would take those envelopes. I had me an alphabetical index with the prefix number in front of them, and I had my index arranged numerically, and I would go into that index and mark those cards.

The CHAIRMAN. Showing they were paid or not paid?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. In the course of keeping your records that way, did a delinquency list occur? Were there times when some were delinquent in payment?

Mr. KELLEY. There were very few for the number of people on the job.

The CHAIRMAN. What would you say, approximately, was the total number of people on the job?

Mr. KELLEY. At the peak?

62255-615

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, in this category.

Mr. KELLEY. If I remember correctly, I just don't know, but I believe it was around 1,200. I just wouldn't be positive.

The CHAIRMAN. About 1,200?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. If they were all paying $3.50 a week, that would run about $4,200 a week that was coming in from this assessment fund in that period?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right, sir.

Senator MUSKIE. Will the chairman yield at this point for a question?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Senator MUSKIE. Did you keep the cards on all 1,200 of these individuals?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, I kept the cards.

The CHAIRMAN. You did that for the union?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Under whose instructions?

Mr. KELLEY. You see, I didn't go into this. I stayed in the warehouse over there for let's see-for December, for January and February. I did not do this for 3 months, about 3 months after I was there. Then at that time I think the job had been going on possibly a year or maybe a little over a year, but they had just started building, don't you see, to hit a peak.

The CHAIRMAN. And you kept the books at least during that peak period?

Mr. KELLEY. I kept the card system, yes.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you do when you found them delinquent? Mr. KELLEY. I would give "Red" the list.

The CHAIRMAN. "Red" Yocom?

Mr. KELLEY. "Red" Yocom.

The CHAIRMAN. A list of those who had not paid their $3.50 per week?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. What happened to them, if you know? Did some of them pay up?

Mr. KELLEY. The records indicated that, yes.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, the money came in from some of them?

Mr. KELLEY. The money came in; that is right.

The CHAIRMAN. When it didn't come in from some of those, what happened to those?

Mr. KELLEY. You would see a termination come through.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, if they did not, they would be terminated from the job?

Mr. KELLEY. Something happened and they would be gone.

The CHAIRMAN. You just knew they would be gone?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. But you do know that some of them paid up?
Mr. KELLEY. Certainly.

The CHAIRMAN. Who paid this? Just the union members, or just

the permit members?

Mr. KELLEY. Everybody that worked on the job in the crafts.
The CHAIRMAN. No matter what union he belonged to?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Or whether he belonged to any union?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. If he was there, if he worked at all in this craft
Mr. KELLEY. He paid the assessment.

The CHAIRMAN (continuing). He paid the assessment?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you later become a union member?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you have to pay as a union member in addition to the $3.50?

Mr. KELLEY. Do you mean to become a member?

The CHAIRMAN. What did you pay to become a member?
Mr. KELLEY. I believe it was $1.50.

The CHAIRMAN. That was initiation fee?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right, the initiation fee.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you pay each month thereafter?

Mr. KELLEY. $4.25.

Wait a minute. No, I don't believe it was $4.25, because it later went to $4.25. Maybe it was $3.75 a month, I believe, that was the dues at that time.

The CHAIRMAN. At any rate, you did pay your monthly dues?
Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir; membership dues, plus assessments.

The CHAIRMAN. You paid your membership initiation fee and you think that was $1.50?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And then you paid your monthly dues?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Can you refer to your slips and determine what your dues were?

Mr. KELLEY. No, sir. Not on these slips.

The CHAIRMAN. Those slips wouldn't identify them?

Mr. KELLEY. No. These slips were for weekly assessments.

The CHAIRMAN. For weekly assessments only?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. So it would not be identified on there?

Mr. KELLEY. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Anyway, in addition to the $3.50 a week for the working privilege, you paid your dues to the local?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. You received receipts for the $3.50 you paid.
Were receipts issued to all of the workers who paid this $3.50?

Mr. KELLEY. I couldn't swear to that. Actually, I couldn't swear it, but I do know that it happened on the job that everybody did not get receipts.

The CHAIRMAN. You know that. But do you know whether or not it was the policy and whether or not this is actually what occurred, that they did issue receipts to all of those who were members of local 706?

Mr. KELLEY. Yes; that is right.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the local that Griffin was the business manager of?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And they had jurisdiction and supervision over this project?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, do you not know, as a matter of fact, that no receipts were issued to members of local 665 of Pine Bluff and of 155 of Little Rock?

Mr. KELLEY. No; I couldn't swear to that, but I heard that it happened on the job and there was quite a bit of static on the job about it. The CHAIRMAN. In other words, there was complaint because they made them pay and wouldn't give them receipts?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right. Further than that, some of them even went-they gave checks for their assessments after he wouldn't give them receipts. I don't know who they were, but I know that it happened, and then he came out with the order that there wouldn't be any more checks accepted for these assessments.

The CHAIRMAN. As I understood it, and probably other witnesses will develop it, they would give receipts to the members of local 706, but instructions went out to give no receipts to anyone who was not a member of 706 and take no checks from anyone for the payment of these funds?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that correct?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. That is your understanding of it?

Mr. KELLEY. That is my understanding.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, I don't mean you can be positive, but that is the general understanding?

Mr. KELLEY. That is the general understanding. I mean, that was the general scoop, as they call it.

The CHAIRMAN. What did Yocom say about it? What did he say in your presence about it? What instructions did he give about it! Mr. KELLEY. About taking checks for assessments?

He didn't give any in front of me. All I can say is that "Red" Yocom said that everybody had to pay assessments or go.

The CHAIRMAN. You know that?

Mr. KELLEY. I do know that he said that.

The CHAIRMAN. And you know some did go that didn't pay?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right. As to specifically pinpointing who they were, I couldn't. But I do know-I mean that they were in arrears with assessments and something happened that they were terminated. I will put it that way.

The CHAIRMAN. You know they went. You do not know what caused them, but you know they were delinquent and left?

Mr. KELLEY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know anyone who worked there any appreciable length of time and remained delinquent?

Mr. KELLEY. No; I don't. I don't recall.

The CHAIRMAN. How often would you give "Red" Yocom this delinquent list?

Mr. KELLEY. Sometimes it would probably go a couple of weeks or 3 weeks. Sometimes I would give him one every Monday morning. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know what he did with them?

Mr. KELLEY. No; I don't.