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Mr. ADLERMAN. Generally speaking, was there much grumbling by the men about their failure to get their receipts?

Mr. GRAY. No, sir; not a whole lot of grumbling, on the basis of this; that to my knowledge they knew better than to grumble because of the way the situation was set up down there.

Mr. ADLERMAN. They didn't make any complaints to Mr. Yocom? Mr. GRAY. They couldn't afford to.

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did they make any complaints to you or the other foremen on a confidential basis?

Mr. GRAY. On a confidential basis to a certain extent they did.
Mr. ADLERMAN. They were afraid to talk to Mr. Yocom about it?
Mr. GRAY. That is right.

Mr. ADLERMAN. What was their principal complaint to you?
Mr. GRAY. About the assessments?

Mr. ADLERMAN. Yes.

Mr. GRAY. It was about not getting a receipt, just like we all like a receipt to show where our money is going, if it is income tax deductible.

Mr. ADLERMAN. In other words, they didn't mind paying the money, but objected to the failure of getting receipts?

Mr. GRAY. That is right. Although there was a certain amount of grumbling that went on even amongst the members about having to pay so much. We were taxed pretty much out of that local.

The CHAIRMAN. That would amount to around $18 a month for everybody who worked, and that is a pretty heavy levy; is it not? Mr. GRAY. That is right; it is.

The CHAIRMAN. That is for the right to work?

Mr. GRAY. That sure is. There was quite a bit of grumbling going on about that, too.

Mr. ADLERMAN. At any time did the men who were permitmen or men from other locals ever sign any paper or give you a paper saying they were making a voluntary contribution?

Mr. GRAY. Would you repeat that?

Mr. ADLERMAN. Did any of the men who were permitmen, or men from other locals, like 655 or 155, did they ever sign a paper saying they were making a voluntary contribution of $3.50 a week?

Mr. GRAY. No.

Let me clarify myself. When I was a foreman, I did take up the assessments or give them the slip. But at that time the job was young. It was only mostly card men on it. I wouldn't say they was all card men, but those under my supervision was.

The CHAIRMAN. Mostly what men?

Mr. GRAY. The job was young and it was mostly card men on the job, members of the United Association. Everyone who worked for me at that time when I was foreman were members already. But after I got set up as general foreman, my men expanded, the men that worked for me, and I had permit men then and I had no contact with them direct on taking the assessments up. I let the foremen do that, and all the money, and also turn it in to Mr. Yocom.

The CHAIRMAN. You did collect some of the money?

Mr. GRAY. When I was foreman; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. As a foreman you would collect the money?
Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Would that come in in envelopes?

Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir; we had envelopes there.

The CHAIRMAN. They would put the money in envelopes?

Mr. GRAY. We had envelopes that had a receipt on the front, and at that time we would give receipts to everyone, or I would give everyone in my crew a receipt. I will put it that way, because they were members of 706. Then I was promoted to general foreman and left it up to the foremen.

The CHAIRMAN. When did they stop giving receipts for this money they collected from those in 655 and 155 and the permit people? Mr. GRAY. They got in a squabble there over that.

The CHAIRMAN. Who got in a squabble?

Mr. GRAY. Who it was, I don't know. It was the BA's and some of the members of the local unions, and the particulars of it I don't know. I didn't sit in on any of the meetings.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you do with the money after you received it?

Mr. GRAY. As foreman, after I received the money I turned the money over to Red Yocom.

The CHAIRMAN. How did you turn it over to him?

Mr. GRAY. When the man brought it to me, I signed a receipt, give him a receipt, and carried it to him. He was usually down around the shop. Either he was there or Kelley.

The CHAIRMAN. The question involved here is receipts. Were these local 706 men that you were giving receipts to?

Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. They continued to get receipts throughout the job, as I understand it.

Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you collect any money from permit men?

Mr. GRAY. No; I didn't collect any money. You see, I wasn't foreman too long. At the time I was foreman, the men that worked for me, direct for me, were 706 members.

Mr. ADLERMAN. While you were general foreman, you had four or five foremen who did collect from the permit men?

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Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know whether they gave receipts?

Mr. GRAY. They were instructed by me and also by Red Yocom not

The CHAIRMAN. They were instructed by you and by Red Yocom not to give receipts to men of local 155 and of 665 and permit men? Mr. GRAY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Why were such instructions given?

Mr. GRAY. I don't know.

The CHAIRMAN. Why did you give them?

Mr. GRAY. Why did I give receipts?

The CHAIRMAN. Why did you give such instructions?

Mr. GRAY. It was passed on to me by Red Yocom. I was instructed to do so.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, Red Yocom was your superior? Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. He was chief steward?

Mr. GRAY. He was classed as a steward on the job; that is right.

The CHAIRMAN. As chief steward?

Mr. GRAY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, he was over all of the other stewards?

Mr. GRAY. We only had one steward. He was the steward.
The CHAIRMAN. He was it?

Mr. GRAY. He was it.

The CHAIRMAN. And he gave the instructions to you and you passed them on down to the foremen?

Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. And they obeyed your instructions?

Mr. GRAY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you give an affidavit, Mr. Gray, some time ago to a member of the staff who interrogated you about this matter? Mr. GRAY. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Would you identify that document I hand to you? Is that the affidavit you gave a member of the staff?

(The document was handed to the witness.)

Mr. GRAY. It is.

The CHAIRMAN. It has heretofore been made exhibit No. 5 to the proceedings. I just wanted you to identify it.

Mr. GRAY. That is my signature and I read it over thoroughly at that time.

The CHAIRMAN. And it states the facts?

Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there anything further?

Mr. ADLERMAN. I think we have covered this before, but I want to make it clear. When you advised your foremen not to give them receipts, that was on the instructions of Mr. Red Yocom?

Mr. GRAY. That is true.

Mr. ADLERMAN. And when you questioned Mr. Red Yocom about the reason why they were not to get receipts, he said, "That is the way the little man wants it," and by that he meant Mr. Earl Griffin? Mr. GRAY. That is precisely right.

The CHAIRMAN. How long did you remain a member of local 706? Mr. GRAY. Well, off and on-you see, for a long time we had clearance cards. It was no problem to pick up the clearance card and drop it in and pick it up and drop it in some other local.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, if you were going to work in another area, you would get a clearance card?

Mr. GRAY. I usually did, because if you tried to get into the supervision capacity, it is always advisable to do that.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know anything about the democracy that prevails in the local there with respect to the membership having any rights to voice their views or to question the action of its officers? Mr. GRAY. Well, reminiscing, there is quite a bit that goes on down there. I do know this, and I will use myself as an example to show you how tight he runs his business.

The CHAIRMAN. Who are you talking about running a business? Mr. GRAY. Earl Griffin. I was to be set up as assistant superintendent on this Blaw-Knox job at the Pine Bluff Arsenal, and the day I was to be set up Red Yocom called him and he advised Red over the phone, in my presence, for me not to accept that job, and in turn Red

advised me what Earl said, and I knew his past procedures on how to get rid of a man so I wouldn't accept the position. I stayed as a GF. The CHAIRMAN. Is there a general feeling among the local down there, the rank and file members, that they have to do what the Griffins want them to do or else they don't work?

Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir; very much so.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know whether they do work or not if they don't get along?

Mr. GRAY. Some work because they keep their mouth shut and some, like myself, are a little outspoken and they don't work.

The CHAIRMAN. So those who oppose or question any action of the Griffins don't work?

Mr. GRAY. That is precisely right.

The CHAIRMAN. There is no question about that, and that is generally known among all of them?

Mr. GRAY. There is none whatsoever; no question at all.

The CHAIRMAN. Are there men down there of long seniority that you know of who have worked only sporadically for a number of years because they oppose him?

Mr. GRAY. You are looking at one now. I am a charter member of that local.

The CHAIRMAN. A charter member?

Mr. GRAY. Yes, sir. I helped organize it.
The CHAIRMAN. You helped organize it?
Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean it has gotten that far out of control that your seniority is not recognized?

Mr. GRAY. It has been that way since Griffin has been in there.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, since he came into office, the fact that you are one of the charter members and in good standing and so forth does not entitle you to work?

Mr. GRAY. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. May I ask you this, and I am trying to shorten this, not necessarily to lead you: Do you know of instances where regular members of your local union there, who have substantial seniority, have been refused work on a job while at the same time permit men and folks from other unions from the outside have been permitted to work by the Griffins?

Mr. GRAY. The Blaw Knox job, I will use that for an example. I don't know exactly how many permit men Earl Griffin sent to that job, but there was a considerable amount, because at the time Monsanto was on strike and also the American Oil was on strike.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, three or four hundred people from El Dorado alone went over there on permits?

Mr. GRAY. That is right; on permits. I do know there were card men, some of them of pretty longtime standing, and I know of one particularly who was in longtime standing, and he finally did get on the job, but it was quite a while.

I have been jeopardizing myself in trying to hire out through other locals because of Earl Griffin's actions toward other locals' memberships in trying to seek work in our locality.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean even if you go outside the jurisdiction of local 706 and get work, you are liable to be discharged at the instance of Griffin?

Mr. GRAY. What I was referring to there, Mr. Senator, was there were members of other locals who were seeking work, and they would come through El Dorado, and they knew there was a lot of work going on there. That is the way you do in construction. You go where the work is.

Mr. Griffin, he might have been fishing, or no telling where he was, but he wouldn't see these guys. Some of them got out and some of them didn't get out. If they caught him up there, maybe he would give them a referral and maybe he wouldn't.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean he wouldn't see the old standing members?

Mr. GRAY. No; I mean of other locals. He did-presumably he did put all the members of local 706 to work eventually, but some of them were a little late. There were some permitmen up there before all the members got on. I will say that.

Did I get that clear to you?

What I am trying to say is what he did was he put those permitment to work and there were members from other locals, other localities-in other words, other states-who were seeking work, and they came to Arkansas because they knew there was quite a bit of construction going on there.

Maybe Griffin would see them and maybe he wouldn't, and maybe he would give them a referral and maybe he wouldn't.

The CHAIRMAN. Those people were not members of the local who had opposed him?

Mr. GRAY. They weren't members of our local, but the United Association says our book is good anywhere in the United States or Canada.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand he probably discriminated against them, but that wouldn't be due to the fact that they had opposed him in the operation of the local.

Mr. GRAY. No; they hadn't opposed him.

The CHAIRMAN. What I was trying to pinpoint, if true, was what had occurred to members of that local, charter members like you and others of long seniority in the local, who may have opposed the policies of Griffin, who may have opposed their actions or sought information about their official conduct in the unions. What has happened to some of them with respect to work? Have they been able to work or has he discriminated against them?

Mr. GRAY. He has discriminated against some of them.

The CHAIRMAN. Can you name some of them?

Mr. GRAY. C. R. Long, Plez Majors-well, we have one member here, Mr. Giles. He has been discriminated against. He hasn't worked in 2 years now.

The CHAIRMAN. He hasn't worked in 2 years?

Mr. GRAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. That is because he opposed the Griffins, you say? Mr. GRAY. That is right. If I could think of them, there are not only a few, but there are a lot of them there.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, these come just to mind at the moment?

Mr. GRAY. Yes.

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