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the officer or non-commissioned officer this man pending an investigation of would order the removal of the emblem the facts of the case, and until the badge, or whatever it was, without re- House is afforded an opportunity of gard to what it was.

considering the matter?

LORD G. HAMILTON: I am inMR. P. O'BRIEN: I beg to ask the formed that Frederick Dwyer, stoker, Financial Secretary to the War Office while on parade at Divisions, was whether it is a custom with the North-ordered by the lieutenant on duty to umberland Fusiliers, when parading on take some green decoration out of his St. George's Day (23rd April), for all cap, and that he refused to obey the officers and men by order to wear two order. This was reported to Comroses, red and white, in their busbies; mander Neville,who thereupon punished and whether English, Irish, Scotch, the man with 14 days, number 109, for and Welsh soldiers in that regiment wilful disobedience in refusing to obey are obliged, under pain of punishment orders. Commander Neville subsefor disobedience, to conform to this quently reduced this sentence to seven custom; if so, whether he will cause days, number 10. This is one of the an order to be made that the wearing ordinary summary punishments authorof shamrock on St. Patrick's Day shall ised by the Regulations in such cases. be discretionary in the Army ?

Grog is stopped, smoking is forbidden, *MR. BRODRICK: The Commander- and the offender is practically confined in-Chief is not cognisant of the custom to barracks, but he is not imprisoned. referred to in the question. There is considering that disobedience to orders no necessity to issue an order as to the is a grave offence against discipline, I wearing of the shamrock on St. Patrick's do not think the punishment inflicted Day, as such matters are within the was severe, nor do I propose to interdiscretion of commanding officers. fere in the matter.

MR. P. O'BRIEN : Seeing how MR. P. O'BRIEN: I beg to give unfairly the discretion is used, is it not notice that on the first opportunity desirable that some instructions should I will press this matter upon the be issued ? May I also ask, Could not attention of the House. the information be obtained ?

MR. T. P. O'CONNOR (Liverpool, *MR. BRODRICK: I think the hon. Scotland): I would ask the noble Member is incorrect in saying that the Lord if there is any other instance discretion has been unfairly used. It on record of anyone in the National is not alleged that any application has Service having been punished for wearing been made to a commanding officer for a national decoration ? leave to

the shamrock and LORD G. HAMILTON: I cannot refused. As regards the custom answer that question, but I may say mentioned in the question, it is not that no decorations of any

kind are within the knowledge of the War permitted to be worn by men in Her Office, and as it does not come within Majesty's uniform. the regulations for discipline it has MR. SEXTON: I would ask not been thought necessary to make the noble Lord whether there inquiry.

is any objection to the Admiralty

issuing a General Order or indicaMR. P. O'BRIEN: I beg to ask the tion that the Admiralty does First Lord of the Admiralty whether desire that Irishmen in the Service his attention has been called to a report should be required to remove green from the Press Association that a decorations on St. Patrick's Day. stoker at the Seamen's Barracks, LORD G. HAMILTON: Whatever Devonport, was ordered 14 days' im- Regulation applies to Irishmen must prisonment for wearing the shamrock on apply to all other nationalities. St. Patrick's Day last; whether he can MR. J. O'CONNOR (Tipperary, S.): give the name of the man imprisoned, I would ask the noble Lord whether as and of the officer who gave the sentence, an Irishman he has ever and the general circumstances of this shamrock himself St. Patrick's case; and, if the Press report is true, Day? whether he will order the release of MR. SPEAKER: Order, order!

Mr. Brodrick


worn the


MR. P. O'BRIEN: I would like to member aright, the question was the ask the noble Lord whether, seeing the provision of labourers' cottages in a near approach of Primrose Day, he Union in the South of Ireland. The sugwill give orders that primroses are not gestion made was whether a local to be worn by soldiers or sailors on that valuer could not be employed instead day?

of sending down an officer from Dublin. MR. SPEAKER: Order, order ! I made inquiries, and I was then told

that it was very difficult to arrange LABOURERS' COTTAGES, ROSCREA that, because in many of these cases UNION.

it was very difficult to find a local MR. A. O'CONNOR (Donegal, E.): 1 valuer not in some way connected with beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the the matter. The object, of course, is Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether by inquiry to obtain an independent representations from ratepayers of the opinion. I did make the suggestion to Borris in Ossory and Moneenalassa the Board of Works that they should electoral divisions of the Roscrea Union try and limit the amount of the deposit for the erection of labourers' cottages to what would be a fair amount of the were lodged as far back as December, charge. 1888; whether any of these cottages MR. A. O'CONNOR: Will the right have yet been built ; whether the hon. Gentleman see that the unex. Guardians have even yet obtained pos- pended balance is returned to the session of the plots of land for their Guardians ? erection; whether the Board of Works MR. JACKSON: That is rather a required a sum of £30 to be lodged be. question for the Treasury. fore the Government arbitrator was allowed to proceed with the valuation

LOANDA TRADE REPORT. of three half-acre plots; and whether MR. NEVILLE (Liverpool, Exany of this money has been returned to change): I beg to ask the Under the Roscrea Board, or any account fur- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs nished of its disbursement ?

whether the British Consul at Loandag *MR. JACKSON : The proposal to who receives £700 a year, has made provide labourers' cottages in the case any later Report on the trade of Loanda mentioned was first submitted to the than that for 1886-7; and if he will Local Government Board in December, explain why regular information is not 1889, and was duly sanctioned under a forwarded to the Foreign Office ? Provisional Order. The information THE UNDER SECRETARY before me does not show whether the STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS Guardians have yet obtained possession (Mr. J. W. LOWTHER, Cumberland, of the land. The Board of Works did Penrith) : Reports from Loanda were obtain the deposit mentioned. They received and issued by the Foreign have not yet accounted with the Guar- Office in 1888 and in 1889. In 1890 dians, as they are awaiting the furnish- the Consul at Loanda, Mr. Annesley, ing by the Arbitrator of his bill of was engaged in special duties in the costs.

Oil Rivers district (owing to the illness MR. A. O'CONNOR: Will the Board and subsequent death of Consul of Works continue to exact the heavy Hewett). In 1891 Consul Annesley deposit of £10 in each case, seeing that resigned in consequence of ill-health. very often the purchase money does not Acting Consul Brock was instructed on exceed that?

the 2nd of January last to send home a MR. JACKSON: That is rather a Report on the trade of Loanda, and he question for the Secretary to

Secretary to the is now engaged in preparing it.
MR. A. O'CONNOR: The right hon.

ULVERSTON POSTMASTERSHIP. Gentleman may recollect that when he MR. NEVILLE : I beg to ask the filled the office of Secretary to the Postmaster General whether the PostTreasury he offered to look into this mastership at Ulverston, worth £215 matter.

per annum, was recently given to a lady MR. JACKSON: I did make inquiry who had previously acted as sorting when I was in Dublin, when, if I re- clerk at a salary of 30s. a week ;

OF a

whether there were many applicants for any properly qualified Roman Catholics the post of higher position and longer submitted to him, and the Lord Chanservice; whether such rapid promotion cellor to give effect to such recommendais usual in the Service; and whether tions when made. in this instance outside influence was MR. MAC NEILL: There is brought to bear in respect of the vacancy on the Petty Sessions Bench. appointment ?

Will the right hon. Gentleman underSIR J. FERGUSSON: The answer take that if a Roman Catholic gentleto the first paragraph of the question is, man is recommended and found qualiYes. It was given to Miss Margaret fied he shall be appointed ? Hornsby, the daughter of the late Post- *MR. JACKSON: It is quite out of master, who in one capacity or another my power to give any such underhad assisted her father in the office taking; but I am sure if the hon. during a period of 18 years. The Member will recommend to the Lord answer to the second paragraph is, Yes, Lieutenant of the county or the Lord and to the third, No. To the last Chancellor a suitable person, that reparagraph I answer, Yes, in this sense commendation will be most carefully —that the locality presented a very considered. influential memorial, and recommended MR. MAC NEILL: I do not intend her appointment as Postmistress in that the Lord Lieutenant or the Lord succession to her father.

Chancellor should dispense patronage



AND SANDHURST. Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant MR. MAC NEILL: I beg to ask the of Ireland whether he is aware that on Financial Secretary to the War Office the Petty Sessions Bench at Ramelton, whether the Queen's Regulations require County Donegal, a town with 1,700 a candidate who presents himself for inhabitants, of whom fully half are admission to the Royal Military Roman Catholics, there are six Magis- Academy at Woolwich, or the Royal trates, and of these five are members of Military College at Sandhurst, to obtain the Irish Episcopal Church and one a a certificate of moraland satisfactory conPresbyterian; and whether he will con- duct from his tutor; and whether these sider the propriety of taking steps to certificates are ever dispensed with by the secure that members of the Roman Authorities at the Horse Guards; and, Catholic faith should form part of a if so, how many of such dispensations Court in which justice is administered have been granted in each of the last to so large a Roman Catholic popula- three years, and on what grounds ? tion ?

*MR. BRODRICK: The Regulations *MR. JACKSON: I am an unwilling require certificates as to moral chaassistant of the hon. Gentleman in his racter for the last four years in the self-imposed task of taking a religious case of candidates for the Royal census of the officials of Ireland; but Military College and the Royal Military the Secretary to the Lord Chancellor of Academy. This rule is so rigidly Ireland reports that there are seven adhered to that there has been only one Magistrates attending the Petty exception during the last three years, Sessions mentioned. The religious and in that case the certificate was denominations of six of these Magis- only dispensed with under the most trates is, it is believed, as stated in the special circumstances and after the question. There is no information on fullest inquiry. this point as regards the seventh, nor is there information as to the relative PAY OF OFFICERS COMMANDING proportion of the several religious

DEPOT CENTRES. denominations in the district, though I COLONEL NOLAN : I beg to ask the am informed that the statistics of the Financial Secretary to the War Office hon. Member are inaccurate. The what is the total cost of the pay and Lord Lieutenant of the county is allowances of the officers commanding always ready to consider the names of depôt centres ?

Mr. Neville

*MR. BRODRICK: The cost of Willesden, near Bingley, occurred on employing these officers, instead of 19th January last. The district, as giving them the retired pay to which the hon. Member is aware, is a cowthey are entitled and receiving no ser- breeding one, and, when free, animals vice in return for it, is £10,950. are distributed from it widely over the COLONEL NOLAN : That is not the West Riding and Lancashire.

It is, information I want. My question is, moreover, a district that imports conwhat is the total cost ?

siderable numbers of store cattle from *MR. BRODRICK: I can supply Ireland, an importation which is not that information, but I thought the without danger. I am afraid that for hon. and gallant Gentleman wished to the present the restrictions on the know the extra cost.

movement of stock out of the district COLONEL NOLAN: I will repeat the must continue in force. question to-morrow.


SUPERINTENDENT BLACK. MR. COBB (Warwick, S.E., Rugby): MR.J.E.REDMOND (Waterford) : I I beg to ask the President of the beg to ask the Secretary of State for Board of Agriculture when the promised the Home Department whether his new Order will be issued with respect attention has been called to a parato districts infected with the foot-and-graph which appeared in the London mouth disease, to meet, as far as is correspondence of the Manchester practicable and safe, the convenience Evening Mail on 4th March, 1892, in of farmers by permitting beasts to be which it is stated that a certain exsent to the Metropolitan Market under Inspector of police in the provinces proper restrictions ?

absconded; whether the police officer THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD referred to is the Inspector who was OF AGRICULTURE (Mr. CHAPLIN, the chief witness for the Crown in the Lincolnshire, Sleaford) : Beasts can be prosecution of James Egan and John sent now to the Metropolitan Market Daly for treason-felony, and who was from every district in England and in charge of the police who arrested Wales, except the Counties of Sussex, both of them; whether this Inspector Kent, Surrey, Cheshire, portions of has absconded, and whether any Essex and Westmoreland, and part of charges affecting this Inspector's offiLancashire—which I have been com- cial career have come to the knowledge pelled to close this morning-and from of the authorities ; whether he is aware the districts other than those which are that a public testimonial to the Inscheduled in Scotland. I hope the new spector, headed by the Mayor of BirOrder to which the hon. Member refers mingham, and another promoted by will be issued during the course of the the police of that city, were abanpresent week.

doned at the request of Mr. Farndale,

Chief Constable of Police, acting on PLEURO-PNEUMONIA IN THE SKIPTON behalf of the authorities, and in conDIVISION

sequence of the allegations in question MR. MORRISON (York, W.R., having come to their knowledge ; and Skipton): I beg to ask the President whether, as John Daly and James Egan of the Board of Agriculture what is were convicted largely on the evidence the date of the last outbreak of pleuro- of this Inspector, an investigation will pneumonia in the Skipton Petty Ses- be instituted by the authorities into his sional Division, and the probable time official career? when the restrictions on the movement MR. MATTHEWS: I have not seen of stock out of that district will be the newspaper paragraph mentioned in abrogated ?

the question, but I learn that its effect MR. CHAPLIN: The last two out- is correctly stated. I understand that breaks of pleuro-pneumonia nearest the officer referred to is ex-Detective to the town of Skipton were, one near Superintendent Black, of the BirmingGrassington, on 8th September, 1891, ham police, who was a witness at the and the other near Bingley, on 31st trial of Egan and Daly. He was not November, 1891. Another outbreak at the officer in charge of the police who

arrested Egan and Daly. Mr. Black MR. MATTHEWS: The officer

to writes to me from Birmingham that he whom the hon. Member refers is not has not absconded, and his statement under my control, but under that of the is confirmed in an official Report which Watch Committee, and I have no power I have received from the Chief Con- to order a judicial investigation into his stable. Mr. Black also informs me conduct. With regard to the defamathat it is his intention, in consequence tory statements the hon. Member has of these allegations, to place the thought it right to put in the shape of a matter in the hands of a solicitor, with question, they are, so far as my informaa view to vindicate his character. It is tion goes, inaccurate. the fact that a meeting was held by a number of the inhabitants of the City

THE LAGOS TREATIES. of Birmingham, but not headed by the MR. DALZIEL (Kirkcaldy, &c.): I Mayor, with the object of raising funds beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for a testimonial to Mr. Black, and for the Colonies whether Her Majesty's that subscriptions were invited in the Government are aware that the Treaty local newspapers. I am informed that recently signed at Lagos by Mr. S. T. Mr. Black put an end to the project Carter, on behalf of this country and himself by publishing a letter in which certain Jebus, was invalid in consequence he respectfully declined the testimonial. of its not having been executed with This letter led also to the abandonment the authority of the King and head of a movement on the part of the police chiefs of the Jebu people after consultato collect subscriptions from the general tion at a national council duly sumbody of the Force. The Chief Con- moned with the necessary formalities stable was not spoken to on this sub- required by native custom; whether the ject, and did not request that the sub- Treaties said to be concluded by the scriptions should be abandoned. I do Egbas are similarly defective; and not admit that Daly and Egan were whether, before sanctioning any offensive convicted largely on the evidence of operations against these independent this officer.

I am not aware that the kingdoms, the Secretary of State would Watch Committee of Birmingham in cause careful inquiry to be made as to tend to institute an investigation into the circumstances under which these his official career.

informal documents considered MR. J. E. REDMOND: The informa- binding upon Jebuan and Egban subtion I have is of such a character that Ijects by the Lagos Government? must ask the right hon. Gentleman BARON H. DE WORMS: A deputaanother question in reference to this tion sent to Lagos by the King of Jebu matter. I desire to ask him whether for the purpose of expressing the wishes allegations have been made against this of his people stated that they reprepolice officer of having been engaged for sented the whole of the Jebu nation, years in a criminal conspiracy; whether and that they had full authority to the authorities, as soon as these allega- treat with the Lagos Government. The tions came to their knowledge, went or two Lagos Jebus who witnessed the sent to the testimonial committee and agreement attested that the messengers intimated that the testimonial proceed- “ In the name of the Awujale and people of ings should be stopped; whether the Jebu, and on their behalf, agreed to all the letter which the right hon. Gentleman terms of the agreement, and undertook to carry has alluded to as having been written thorised to do so. The representatives further

them out, and declared that they were auby Mr. Black, asking that the testi- signified their acceptance of the terms by monial proceedings should be stopped, taking the country oath on kolas and water." was written at the instance of the The only Treaty with the Egbas is the police authorities ; and, if these facts one of 5th January, 1852. It was conare so, whether, in view of the impor- cluded by authorised persons, and there tant part played by this police officer in is no reason to suppose it is not valid. the trial and conviction of Daly and MR. SUMMERS: Was this Treaty Egan, the right hon. Gentleman will with the Jebus confirmed by the consider the propriety of instituting a chiefs ? judicial investigation into the circum- BARON H. DE WORMS: It was made stances ?

by the King Mr. Matthews


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