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IMPOUNDMENT REPORTING AND REVIEW

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON RULES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H.R. 5193 and Related Bills (With Appendix,

H.R. 8480, as amended, with report)

TO REQUIRE THE PRESIDENT TO NOTIFY CONGRESS
WHENEVER HE IMPOUNDS FUNDS, AND TO PROVIDE A
PROCEDURE UNDER WHICH THE HOUSE AND SENATE
MAY DISAPPROVE THE PRESIDENT'S ACTION AND RE-

QUIRE HIM TO CEASE SUCH IMPOUNDING

MARCH 28, 29; APRIL 4, 5; MAY 7, 8, 14, AND 21, 1973

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COMMITTEE ON RULES

RAY J. MADDEN, Indiana, Chairman JAMES J. DELANEY, New York

DAVE MARTIN, Nebraska RICHARD BOLLING, Missouri

JOHN B. ANDERSOX, Illinois B. F. SISK, California

JAMES H. (JIMMY) QUILLEX, Tennessee JOHN YOUNG, Texas

DELBERT L. LATTA, Ohio
CLAUDE PEPPER, Florida

DEL CLAWSON, California
SPARK M. MATSUNAGA, Hawaii
MORGAN F. MURPHY, Illinois
GILLIS W. LONG, Louisiana
CLEM ROGERS MCSPADDEX, Oklahoma

L. C. BATTLE, Counsel and Staff Director
WINIFRED L. WATTS, Administrative Assistant

WILLIAN D. CROSBY, Jr., Minority Counsel

(II)

CONTENTS

Page

Text of H.R. 5193 -

Appendix, H.R. 8480, as amended, with report..

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CONGRESSIONAL WITNESSES

Anderson, Hon. John B., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Illinois.-----

Cederberg, Hon. Elford A., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Michigan.--

Conte, Hon. Silvio 0., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Massachusetts -

Culver, Hon. John C., a Representative in Congress from the State of Iowa.

Danielson, Hon. George E., a Representative in Congress from the State

of California --

Eckhardt, Hon. Bob, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Texas ----

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Ervin, Hon. Sam J. Jr., a l'.S. Senator from the State of North Carolina..

Esch, Hon. Marvin L., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Michigan -----

Evans, Hon. Frank E., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Colorado ---------

Giaimo, Hon. Robert N., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Connecticut ----

Holtzman, Hon. Elizabeth, a Representative in Congress from the State

of New York.

Jones, Hon. James R., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Oklahoma -

Leggett. Hon. Robert L., a Representative in Congress from the State

of California.--

Mahon, Hon. George, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Texas --------

Moakley, Hon. Joe, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Massachusetts ---

O'Hara, Hon. James G., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Michigan --

Penper, Hon. Claude, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Florida -
Pickle, Hon. J. J. (Jake), a Representative in Congress from the State of
Texas -----

--
Rhodes. Hon. John J., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Arizona

Sarbanes. Hon. Paul s., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Maryland ---

Vanik. Hon. Charles A., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Ohio

Whitten. Hon. Jamie L., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Mississippi

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GOVERNMENT WITNESSES
Sneed, Hon. Joseph T., Deputy Attorney General, statement-

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CONGRESSIONAL WITNESSES
Abzug, Hon. Bella S., a Representative in Congress from the State of New

York, statement.-----
Alexander, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Ar-

kansas, statement.--

Brotzman, Hon. Donald G., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Colorado, statement-------

Evans, Hon. Frank E., a Representative in Congress from the State of Colo-

rado, letter to Chairman Madden ----
Ford, Hon. William D., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Michigan, statement.-------

Harrington, Hon. Michael J., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Massachusetts, statement.------

Hungate, Hon. William L., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Missouri, statement.--

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IMPOUNDMENT REPORTING AND REVIEW

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 28, 1973

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON RULES,

Washington, D.C. The committee met at 10:30 a.m., pursuant to notice, in room 2154, Rayburn Office Building, Hon. Ray J. Madden (chairman of the comnittee, presiding. The committe

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

I might say that the reason why the Rules Committee is holding hearings in this room, the Government Operations Committee room, instead of our regular room over in the Capitol is because of the interest not only locally but over the Nation in the impounding legislation now pending in Congress.

In these hearings we will proceed with the chairman of the Appropriations Committee, who is one of, I think, 34 Members who have filed bills on this subject. He will be followed by other witnesses today, including Mr. Cederberg, the ranking minority member of the Appropriations Committee.

Tomorrow, on account of Chairman Holifield using this committee room, we will proceed with the hearings down the hall in the Foreign Affairs Committee room.

I wish to thank the Foreign Affairs Committee and also Chairman Holifield for allowing us to use their rooms. The hearings tomorrow will be in room 2172, on this floor.

I might state that today we start hearings on one of the most serious constitutional challenges ever to confront Congress.

The legislative impoundment crisis brought on by the Nixon administration demands firm and prompt exposure not only to the Members of Congress but to the Nation. Members of Congress and the Senate have been deluged with mail and telephone calls in protest from their constituents against President Nixon's impounding of numerous domestic programs passed by the Congress in recent years, and this legislation is for the benefit of millions of American citizens, mostly in the middle lower income brackets of the Nation.

These impoundments include legislation pertaining to our elder citizens, unemployed, handicapped, veterans, and those needing Government assistance.

The American public should know that since President Nixon was inaugurated over 4 years ago approximately $11.1 billion of funds have been impounded which cover legislation on housing, education, health, transportation, antipollution, hospital construction, veterans hospitals, small business loans, watershed and flood prevention, help

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