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the absolute necessity of good order and discipline in all constituted society; he then proceeded to call witnesses on behalf of the Prosecution.
The Right Honourable George Ponsonby. Q. You are a Member of Parliament? A. I am. Q. I believe, Mr. Ponsonby, you hold the office of Leader of the Opposition? A. I do.
Q. Is it an office of honour and distinction? A. It is not, to the best of my knowledge.
Q. I beg your pardon, I had been misinformed. Do you know the Prisoner at the Bar? A. I do.
Q. Has he interfered with your rightful Privileges as Leader of the Opposition? A. I consider that he has interfered very unwarrantably. He has made motions and put questions without consulting me. In particular, he made a motion respecting the affairs of Spain, without giving me any intimation of it.
Q. He left you wholly ignorant and uninformed
on the Spanish question? A. Wholly ignorant and uninformed on that and every other subject.
Q. In consequence of the unwarrantable conduct of the Prisoner, have the functions, duties, and profits of your office been diminished? A. They have.
Q. On what matters do you now occupy yourself? A. I put questions to the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the day on which he will bring forward any particular business-I move for the printing of papers presented to the House-I state my opinion, that I am not bound to commit myself until the papers are printed and in the hands of Members-I call order when Mr. Pascoe Grenfell is speaking, and so forth.
Cross-examined by Mr. Abercrombie.
Q. Pray, Sir, by whom were you appointed Leader of the Opposition? A. I do not feel my
self bound to answer that question.
Court. The witness is not bound-State secrets
are not to be disclosed.
Q. Pray, Mr. Ponsonby, how long did you hold the office of Chancellor of Ireland? A. Seven
months and five days.
Q. Did you receive any, and what Pension, in retiring from that office? A. I now receive four thousand pounds per annum.
Mr. Abercrombie.-The witness may go down. Mr. Lambton.-The witness has been going down for some time past. (Aloud laugh.)
Mr. Kirkman Finlay.
Examined by Sir A. Pigott.
[It being stated that the Witness had some difficulty in explaining himself in English, Mr.
was sworn interpreter.]
Q. What is your name? A. Finlay, of Glasgow. Q. Your Christian name? A. Caarkman.
Court.-What is the witness's name?
Sir A. Pigott. Kirkman, my Lord-in my brief. Q. What is your profession, Mr. Finlay? A. A Member of Parliament.
Q. Do you know the Prisoner? A. 1 do,
Q. Where have you seen him? A. In debating sacieties i' the North.
Q. Do you recollect the 26th March ? A. I do. Q. Did you observe any thing particular in the conduct of the Prisoner towards the Right Hon. George Ponsonby on that day? A. I ded.
Q. Relate what you observed to the Court? A. The House was in Kommitee, Mr. Ponsonby had rose to spak, but the Prisoner having rose after him, parsiisted to spak, and tapped him on the shoulder, and said "Set down-set down, I'm in possassion of the Kommitee."
Q. Were you in a position from which you could see the action of the Prisoner? A. I was
I was setting behind the Trashery Bench.
Cross-examined by Mr. Bennet.
Q. As the witness sits behind the Treasury Bench, perhaps he also goes to the Treasury? A. I do constantly.
Q. Do you frequently communicate with the Treasury? A. Constantly.
Q. Then I ask you, Sir, whether you do not support the Government? A. Upon my oth I do not.
Examined by Sir A. Pigott.
Sir A. Pigott.-Please, my Lord, to turn your head to the Court.
Q. What are you? A. Son to the Earl of Besborough.
Q. I mean what is your profession or occupation? A. I am whipper-in to the Opposition, and occasionally report for the Morning Chronicle.
Q. You know the House of Commons well? A. I do.