Mr. GALLIVAN. You did not sell all of this furniture, but you gave a lot of it to other departments. For instance, the prohibition offices took most of that furniture.

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. GALLIVAN. Yes; Mr. Volstead was again in action there. Some of it went to the Census Office, and some of it was used in furnishing a new immigration building at Boston. I think you equipped that whole building in Boston.

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir. This is only the expense incurred in the way of transportation in the selling of this furniture.

Mr. CANNON. This furniture was bought how?

Mr. JONES. It was bought out of a fund available for that purpose during the war.

Mr. CANNON. That was done under the director of this bureau or service?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir; under the Department of Labor.
Mr. CANNON. About what time did they purchase it?

Mr. SKINNER. That was purchased in 1917 and 1918. They had 900 offices throughout the country, and they secured something like $350,000 or $400,000 for it.

Mr. CANNON. And you are getting rid of the furniture by transferring it to other branches of the Government service, and what you could not transfer you sold?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. CANNON. How much was sold?
Mr. JONES. $38,000 worth was sold.

Mr. CANNON. Did you sell it all?

Mr. JONES. We are checking up now, or we are making inventories. There is some furniture.

The CHAIRMAN. I understood you to say that they had 900 offices. Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. How many have you now?

Mr. JONES. We have none of the United States Employment Service, but we do cooperate with the States.

There are some 200 offices that are being operated, some by the States and some by the municipalities, which we cooperate with and furnish the equipment.

ALLOTMENT OF 1922 APPROPRIATION.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is for $200,000. You have an appropriation for the year 1922 of $225,000. Has that been allotted under the law?

Mr. JONES. It has; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. How was it allotted?

Mr. JONES. It is allotted to the States.

The CHAIRMAN. In monthly or quarterly allotments?

Mr. JONES. Monthly.

The CHAIRMAN. Did the allotment exceed the amount of the appropriation?

Mr. JONES. It is not exceeding it to-day.

The CHAIRMAN. The allotment is not in excess?

Mr. JONES. It is not in excess.

The CHAIRMAN. Will the appropriation be exceeded?

Mr. JONES. We hope to be within our appropriation.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the average monthly expenditure under this appropriation, and what is the unexpended balance as of the 1st of November, if you can tell us?

Mr. JONES. I want to make an explanation, if you please.

The CHAIRMAN. We shall be glad to have you make that explanation, only answer the question first.

Mr. JONES. We expended in July, August, and September, $57,020.54. The farm work is heavier in June, July, and August, if you please. July was $3,431.99; August, $2,581.01, and September, $963.10.

Mr. GALLIVAN. Is that in addition to the $57,000?

Mr. JONES. No, sir. That is in the distribution. You see, the farm work is seasonal and it costs us more money for March, April, May, June, July, and August, and not so much for September.

The CHAIRMAN. The latter part of the year it does not cost so much?

Mr. JONES. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I notice that your expenses for July for administration were $5,045.09, industrial employment survey, $4,499.77, field representatives, $3,431.99-I suppose that is cooperation with the States?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Field States $4,532.74, junior division $2,073, making the total for July $19,532.59.

August, for administration $4,498.02, industrial employment survey $5,801.94, field representatives $2,581.01, field States $4,773.40, junior division $1,848.67, making the total $20,003.04.

September, administration $4,824.65

Mr. JONES (interposing). There was quite a drop there.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, sir. Industrial employment survey $4,986.69, field representatives $963.10 field States $4,999.10, junior division $1,711.37, making a total of $17,484.91, or a total for the three months of $57,020.54, leaving an unexpended balance of $167,979.46?

ADMINISTRATION.

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir. May I go into the administration, Mr. Chairman?

The CHAIRMAN. We would like very much to have you tell us about the administration: what it consists of, and what is it costing in proportion to the total.

Mr. JONES. The administration to-day is $10,000 less than when I took office. It was then some $5,500 a month. It is now $4,384. There is a saving made in the administration of about $20,000 or

more.

The CHAIRMAN. $3,600 a month would be about the average?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir; in addition to that are our forms that we supply to the various States and the printing. That makes the difference and some little travel. Occasionally I must go away, and my assistant in charge of the junior work must travel some.

The CHAIRMAN. Please tell us what the junior work means.

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Mr. JONES. The work in connection with the guidance and placement of juniors, those from 16 to 21, or in some States they go to work a little earlier than that. It is in connection with the schools; it is really constructive work. It is placing the young boy, trying to find the right vocation in life; it is guidance and placement work. The CHAIRMAN. What is the industrial survey?

Mr. JONES. That is this bulletin [indicating] that is published monthly.

The CHAIRMAN. That is not field work?

Mr. JONES. That is the industrial employment survey.

ACTIVITIES.

The CHAIRMAN. How do you accumulate the information that goes into the bulletin ?

Mr. JONES. The country is divided into nine geographical areas, and we have a representative in each one of those areas. Then we have special agents distributed all through the country, $1-a-year men. They are performing good service in supplying this information from the 1,438 firms. All of you gentlemen got a copy of this survey?

The CHAIRMAN. I think so. Field representatives-what is that activity?

Mr. JONES. That is in the farm work.

The CHAIRMAN. That is entirely farm work?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Field States?

Mr. JONES. Those are the States that we cover in our allotments to the States.

SALARY OF FIELD OFFICERS-LOCATION OF OFFICES.

The CHAIRMAN. How many field offices does the United States Employment Service maintain?

Mr. JONES. We have not any office in the field, except our district directors have offices, and most of them are located in the offices of the States, at their courtesy; they give us desk room.

The CHAIRMAN. You pay no rent?

Mr. JONES. I think there are two places. We are getting away from that now. In Virginia, through the Treasury, we expect to have space in the Government building there.

The CHAIRMAN. What do you pay the field men?

Mr. JONES. They vary from $3,000 to $3,600. Their salaries have recently been adjusted as of November 1, when we sent them word that their salaries were to be reduced. The highest price is $3,600. The CHAIRMAN. How many are there?

Mr. JONES. There are nine.

The CHAIRMAN. They are at the headquarters of each of the nine divisions?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir. Shall I tell you where they are?

The CHAIRMAN. I wish you would, please. When stating the location, please tell us the compensation paid.

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir. District No. 1, Boston, Mass., 306 Appraisers' Building, $3,600. That takes in the New England States.

District No. 2 comprises New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. The salary beginning November 1 is $3,600. It was $4,500 a year. We have classified them. Some of them will come back smiling and will speak of their interest in the work. These men are very highgrade men, many of them engineers who have had long years of training. They are a very fine type of man.

District No. 3 takes in Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, and Indiana. The salary there is $3,600. There is no rent attached there.

The CHAIRMAN. Please give us the headquarters of each one.
Mr. JONES. 116 North Dearborn Street, Chicago.

Mr. GALLIVAN. What is the location of the headquarters of District No. 2?

Mr. JONES. 120 East Twenty-eighth Street, in the State and industrial commission. At their courtesy we are provided with room there.

Mr. GALLIVAN. The headquarters at Boston are located in the appraisers' building?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir; there is no rent in Boston.

No. 4, 317 East Eighth Street, Kansas City, compensation, $3,600. The CHAIRMAN. What is the territory and area?

Mr. JONES. The area there takes in Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Missouri, and Minnesota.

District No. 5, headquarters at Richmond, Va. That is where the Treasury has said that they will give us space in the Government building. At present the headquarters are at 610 Virginia Railway & Power Building.

The CHAIRMAN. Please tell us the territory there and the compensation.

Mr. JONES. Delaware, Maryland, District of Columbia, Virginia, West Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. The compensation at present is $4,000. That will be adjusted. There will be no compensation greater than $3,600.

Mr. CANNON. Do they travel?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir; they travel throughout their district, perhaps, once in three months. They make trips, but we expect that they will cover their entire district once in three months.

Mr. CANNON. Who pays for that travel; do they pay for that out of the $3,600?

Mr. JONES. No, sir; it is paid by the Government.

I want to say, if you please, that there was hardly any expense connected with the survey of district No. 1, the Boston district, because the contacts were the kind that were very valuable in supplying the information. He had made his contacts and traveled earlier and developed his district to such an extent that the information came in very accurately.

Mr. BYRNS. There may be a very good reason for it. I notice in your statement as to the States assigned to district No. 4, headquarters in Kansas City, that you have Minnesota in that list?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BYRNS. I was just wondering why that was not attached to the Chicago headquarters. It seems to me that that would save some

transportation, possibly?

Mr. JONES. This plan is in accordance with the grouping of the United States census.

Mr. KELLEY. You put the wheat and farming States together? Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

District No. 6, headquarters at Louisville, Ky. That is in the postoffice building there. Compensation, $3,000. That district includes Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and Mississippi.

District No. 7 is New Orleans, 207 Federal Building; compensation, $3,500; and includes Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas.

District No. 8, 303 Customs Building, Denver, Colo.; compensation, $3,600. That includes Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Nevada.

District No. 9, that is San Francisco, Calif., 1318 Hewes Building, and the compensation there is $3,600. We have a rent charge there of $600. We hope that we can get away from that. We are trying hard to do so.

Mr. CANNON. The railroad fares are paid in all of this travel. there an extra per diem allowed when they travel?

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Mr. JONES. There is a $4 per diem, but they have to put their hands in their pockets in order to meet the expense, because $4 does not cover it. You can not go into a hotel in Chicago and get a room for less than $3 a day, and they must eat while there.

The CHAIRMAN. I should like to have you state, if you will, how you arrive at the amounts that you allot to the field States? Mr. JONES. We make as good a deal as we can. I will tell you. The CHAIRMAN. How many State offices do you cooperate with? Mr. JONES. May I read you the list, Mr. Chairman?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. JONES. California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Iowa, Kentucky, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Virginia, Alabama, Arizona, Colorado Georgia, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, South Dakota, North Dakota, and Washington. We have recently opened an office in cooperation with the Service Citizens of Delaware.

Statement of appropriation and expenses, 1921–22.