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Alphabetical list of all officers detailed to the United States Veterans' Bureau for duty

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Miller, Irving U., headquarters, dis- Dental surgeon....

trict No.8. Moore, John L., Richmond, Va., No. Passed assistant

surgeon. Moore, Roy D., headquarters, dis- .....do............

trict No. 11. Moran, Andrew C., headquarters, Assistant surgeon.

district No.1. Moreman, Lon B., Louisville, Ky., Surgeon.......

No. 7. . Morris, Theo. O., headquarters, dis- Passed assistant trict No. 11.

surgeon.
Morse, Wm. H., Spokane, Wash., .....do............

No. 13.
Mosby, Geo. L., headquarters, dis- Assistant surgeon.

trict No.8.
Moth, Michael V., Oklahoma City, Passed assistant
Okla., No. 14.

surgeon,
Mevers, Chas. W., Indianapolis, Ind., .....do............

No. 7.
Nairn, B. R., central office...

Surgeon.... Newhauser, Mayer A., headquarters, Passed assistant district No. 6.

surgeon.
Nicklas, John M., Baltimore, Md., Assistant surgeon.

No. 4.
Norton, Archibald A., headquarters, .....do...........

No. 12.
Osterhaus, Karl, central office.......

Surgeon...........
Ostheimer, Alfred J., headquarters,

....do. district No. 3. Partington, Cyrus B., headquarters, Passed assistant district No. 11.

surgeon Patterson, Clayton A., headquarters, Dental surgeon....

district No. 12. Pember, Clyde H., central office... Surgeon.... Penhallow, Dunlap P., headquarters, .....do....

district No. 2. Prince, L. H., central office..... Rappoport, David N., headquarters, Passed assistant district No. 3.

surgeon. Rawls, Percy S., central office........

Surgeon......... Redman, Fred E., headquarters,

Passed assistant district No. S.

surgeon. Reed, Jas. E., jr., San Diego, Calif., .....do...

No. 12.
Reilly, Wm., headquarters, district Assistant surgeon.

No. 12.
Rene, Jos. A., central office............ Passed assistant

surgeon. Rice, Benj. A., central office...............do... Rider, Ernest B., central office....

do... Roach, Richard A., headquarters, .....do..

district No. 8. Robb, Elmer R., headquarters, dis- | Assistant dental! trict No. 2.

surgeon. Rousenfell, Clifford G., headquarters, Passed assistant No. 1.

surgeon.
Sanborn, Fletcher G., Los Angeles, .....do............

Calif., No. 12.
Sappington, Clarence 0., headquar- ' Assistant surgeon.

ters, No. 12.
Schnuck, Harry, headquarters, dis- .....do............

trict No. 4. Sharp, Harry C., central office....... Surgeou........... Shaw, Geo. H., headquarters, dis- .....do...........

trict No. 2 Sherer, Moses E., central office..... ...do............ Sherlock, Wm. P., central office..

do............ Shirkey, Ivy G., central office.... Passed assistant !

surgeon. Shirley, Amos R., headquarters, dis- .....do............

trict No. 3. Silver, Frank R., headquarters, dis- .....do......

trict No. 2. Simmons, Maynard J., central office......do............

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Alphabetical list of all officers detailed to the United States Veterans' Bureau for duty

as of Nov. 9, 1921---Continued.

Name and station,

Rank.

Basic sal-
ary, includ-
ing increase Longevity
under actpay.
of May 18,

1920.

Commutation of quarters, light, and

heat.

Total.

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Simons, Willis N., central office..... Passed assistant

surgeon. Sims Frederick R., headquarters Surgeon ..........

district No. 1. Skinner. Geo. C., headquarters, dis .....do............

trict No. 9. Smith, Henry A., Baltimore, Md., Passed assistant No.4.

surgeon. Smith, L. C., central office.......

do...... Snyder, Harvey W., headquarters, .....do.....

district No. 11. Soper, Rihard W, central office....

Surgeon......
South, Frank L., headquarters, dis- Assistant surgeon.

trict No.8.
Souther, Robert F., central office.... Surgeon..
Sparks. Jos. E., Houston, Tex., No. 14.... .do.
Speir, Ross C., Birmingham, Ala.,

No. 6.
Sprague, Chas. H., Pocatello, Idaho. Passed assistant
No. 13.

surgeon.
Spra-ue, Fred A, central offiee...... Surgeon...........
St. Antoine. Henry E., headquar Passed assistant
ters, district No. 4.

surgeon. St. Clair. Raymond, Reno, Nev., No. .....do...

12. S'alter, Geo. R., headquarters, dis- .....do...

trict No. 4. Stavton, Chester A., headquarters, Surgeon..........

district No. 7. Steele, Fred E., jr., headquarters, Passed assistant district No. 1.

surgeon. Stephenson, B.S., central office...... Surgeon........... Stephenson, Wm. O., headquarters, Passed assistant district No. 14.

surgeon. Sweek, W.0., Phoeniz Ariz., district

No. 12.
Thomas, Clyde S., headquarters, Assistant surgeon.

district No. 7.
Thomas, Irl, headquarters, district l.....do............

No. 7.
Thomas, Ray H., Evansville, Ind., | Passed assistant
No. 7.

surgeon.
Tinney, Chas. M., headquarters, | Surgeon...........

district No. 13. Toolev, Geo. E., headquarters, dis- ......do.............

trict, No. 14. Toomer, Jos. H., headquarters, dis- Passed assistant trict No. 2.

surgeon. Trepagnier, Dalton H.,headquarters, .....do.

No. 6.
Triplett, Wm. H., Baltimore, Ma., .....do........

No. 4.
Turner, Jno. W., central office....... Surgeon.........
Van Patten, Clyde L., central office.. Passed assistant

surgeon. Vickrey, A.C., headquarters, district Surgeon..........

No. 9.
Vogt, Alfred H., Albuquerque, N. Passed assistant
Mex., No. 11.

surgeon. Wagner, Isaac R., headquarters, Surgeon..

district No. 1. Walden, Walter, headquarters, dis- | Passed assistant trict No.8.

surgeon. Walker, Allen H., Louisville, Ky.,

.. .....do.....
No. 7.
Walker Le vis A., central office..... Surgeon...
Ward, Melgie, headquarters, district Passed assistant
No. 5.

surgeon.
Warner, R.A., Baltimore, Md. No.4.1. ....do.....
Waters, Chester T., headquarters dis- Passed assistant
trict No. 14.

surgeon. Watterson, Walter H., headquarters Surgeon.......

district No. 8. Watts, Herbert C., headquarters dis......do..........

trict No. 12. Wayman, Cecil L., central office..........do.........

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Alphabetical list of all officers detailed to the United States Veterans' Bureau for duty

as of Nov. 9, 1921-Continued.

Name and station.

Rank.

Basic sal-
ary, includ-
ing increase Longevity
under act

рау.
of May 18,

1920,

Commutation of quarters, light, and

heat.

Total.

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Webb, John B., Waco, Tex., No. 14.. Passed assistant

surgeon. Webb, Louis H., headquarters dis Surgeon.......

trict No. 6. Weber, Anthony T., headquarters Passed assistant district No. 8.

surgeon. Wells, Robert F., headquarters dis- | Passed assistant trict No. 5.

dental surgeon. Wemple, Emmet L., Los Angeles, Surgeon.........

Calif., No. 12.
Wescott, 0. D., headquarters district .....do...........

No. 11.
West, Carroll M., headquarters dis- Assistant surgeon.

trict No. 5.
Wheeler, Clifton F., headquarters Assistant dental
district No. 4.

surgeon. Whitcomb, Glenn D., Omaha, Nebr., | Assistant surgeon .

No. 9. White, Eben W., headquarters dis Passed assistant trict No. 13.

surgeon. Wilcox, Starling S., Columbus, Ohio, Surgeon..

No. 7.
Wilsong, C.T., Richmond, Va., No. 4 Assistant surgeon.
Wilfrey, Ota S., headquarters district Passes assistant
No. 9.

surgeon. Williams, Frank L., Des Moines, Surgeon.........

Iowa, No. 9.
Williams, Henry L., headquarters .....do............

district No. 10.
Williams, Sidney C., central office... Passed assistant

surgeon. Wilson, Wm., headquarters district

No. 1.
Witte, Wm.C., headquarters district Surgeon...

No. 8.
Woldenberg, Saul, headquarters dis Assistant surgeon.

trict No. 8.
Woodcock, Jno. H., central office....
Wright, Harold W., headquarters Passed assistant
district No. 12.

surgeon. Yohe, Perce P., Los Angeles, Calif., Passed assistant No. 12.

dental surgeon. Young, J. E., central office.......... Surgeon.......

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The CHAIRMAN. They get their ordinary military pay?

Col. PATTERSON. They get the pay of their grades. The grade of those in charge medically in districts should be at least that of surgeon, but some of them are as low as passed assistant surgeon or assistant surgeon.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the rank of a surgeon?

Col. PATTERSON. The rank of a surgeon is that of major in the Army, and a passed assistant surgeon would hold the rank of captain in the Army. An assistant surgeon would have the pay of a lieutenant in the Army. A Public Health Service officer ordinarily gets & major's rank and pay for acting as district medical officer. Then there are others who are specialists.

Mr. KELLEY. He gets all the allowances of an Army officer?

Col. PATTERSON. He gets the allowances of his grade in the Public Health Service, which is the same as in the Army and Navy. They are all on the same basis.

The CHAIRMAN. You have how many of them?
Col. PATTERSON. We have detailed to the bureau about 287.

Col. FORBES. May I suggest something in connection with the hospital per diem costs? There is an item of $2,000,000 for the opening of new hospitals, and I have asked for an interpretation of that; whether that should not be charged up to the per diem costs per bed per patient. Here it is an item of $2,000,000 for the opening of new hospitals, and it is a question with me whether that is not rightfully a charge against the per diem cost.

Mr. KELLEY. What does that mean?

Col. FORBES. That means getting the hospital ready for the reception of patients.

Col. PATTERSON. For instance, if we are to have tuberculosis hospitals, the hospitals have to be prepared for the reception and treatment of tuberculosis patients.

Col. FORBES. It is not necessarily all for the equipment of the buildings, but there is a lot of service there in addition to the equipment.

The CHAIRMAN. That would scarcely be a service charge, and they will get through opening them after awhile.

Col. FORBES. I hope they will get through, but I believe that should be prorated to the charge per bed.

The CHAIRMAN. Of course, it is ultimately charged that way anyhow,

Mr. Berns. It would hardly be fair to say that this cost per bed bears any relation to what it is costing in other hospitals that have already been opened.

Col. FORBES. Yes, sir; but this is not all a charge for equipment, There is a good part of this that is a service charge.

Mr. KELLEY. What do you mean by that? I am not so familiar with these hospital terms as some of the others.

Col. FORBES. There is a personnel maintenance charge for hospitals, frequently for a considerable length of time before the hospital is actually opened, and the question is: Should that personnel be charged up as an equipment charge, or charged to the cost per diem for the operation? It is a part of the overhead charge, and I think it should be included in the per diem cost.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you given us all the items in connection with the $43,000,000 ?

TRANSPORTATION OF BENEFICIARIES.

Mr. ROUTSONG. No, sir; there are direct disbursements that the Veterans' Bureau makes which include transportation of beneficiaries, $1,500,000

The CHAIRMAN (interposing). How do you reach that amount?

Mr. ROUTSONG. The amount disbursed for that purpose last year was $1,648,208.58, and logically it should be increased, but we expect to decrease that, or hope to decrease it by decreasing the travel of beneficiaries, because of the decentralization, which gives us a closer supervision over beneficiaries. While we have more patients, we hope to have much less travel per man than we had last year.

The CHAIRMAN. What has been the policy about transferring men from one place to another whenever they wished to be transferred ?

Mr. ROUTSONG. That is discouraged.

· The CHAIRMAN. What has been the policy?

Mr. ROUTSONG. Not to transfer. Where a man has tuberculosis, and it is thought best in the man's interest and in the interest of the service to send him to a more equable climate, that is done. Col. PATTERSON. That has been the procedure in general. The CHAIRMAN. That is the policy to be pursued in the future?

Col. PATTERSON. Ever since we have come in there that has been the policy.

The CHAIRMAN. What was the policy prior to that?

Col. PATTERSON. I do not know, but I understand that the travel was a little more liberal.

TRAVELING EXPENSES OF BENEFICIARIES.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item ?
Mr. Routsong. Travel expense for beneficiaries, $500,000.
Mr. KELLEY. Is this the actual traveling expense or an allowance?
Col. PATTERSON. It is for expenses incident to travel.
Mr. KELLEY. For actual travel ?
Col. PATTERSON. This refers to subsistence, etc.

Mr. ROUTSONG. Travel expense for beneficiaries, $500,000. We have scaled that down from an expenditure of $527,790.76 for last year. We estimate for this year $500,000.

The CHAIRMAN. How do you reach that? Mr. ROUTSONG. We simply arbitrarily reduced it, because we will discourage travel and we expect that it will be less per man. If these men had their own way, and I suppose if we were in their shoes we would be migratory too, they would travel a great deal. It is a delicate problem to control, but we will try through a closer supervision and because of better hospital facilities to encourage the men to stay places. This figure was arbitrarily reduced. If we took it on the basis of the number of patients last year and the number of patients this year, it would be more, but, as I have said, we have arbitrarily cut it about 15 or 20 per cent.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION FEES.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item?
Mr. ROUTSONG. Physical examination fees, $700,000.
The CHAIRMAN. What does that mean?

Col. PATTERSON. Those are the fees of the local examiners paid to them for making the necessary examinations.

The CHAIRMAN. I thought they were on your pay roll.

Col. PATTERSON. No, sir; not the local examiners. They are on a fee basis.

The CHAIRMAN. How much do you allow for each examination ?

Col. PATTERSON. The standard rate so far has been $5, unless it was a special examination. Of course, the specialists get a great deal more, and they are paid according to the customary practice in the locality.

The CHAIRMAN. The allowance that is made for the examination of veterans of the Civil War is only $2; is it not?

Col. PATTERSON. I do not know.

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