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Mr. KELLEY. Yes; by only one-half the destroyers in reserve. Admiral COONTZ. If I had known they were using that much I would have stopped them, and as soon as I found they were overdoing it I did stop them and cut them right down to the limit, and sent them back to Charleston at the end of the summer. They were up there for the summer training.

The CHAIRMAN. Why did you not stop them in advance? Why is not the thing systematically arranged? Instead of having each commander of a destroyer run a navy by himself and pile up expense there ought to be some systematic plan under which this thing is operated. It is management when you do it that way, but when you do it in the way it has been done it looks as though nobody was paying any attention to it.

Mr. KELLEY. You are sure those figures are accurate? Admiral POTTER. Yes, sir; but, of course, allowing for human frailty in computation.

Mr. KELLEY. Is there not some way by which we can determine the mileage of 100 destroyers in four months when they used that much oil? They must have been running as though they were in full commission.

Admiral COONTZ. They were up for their summer maneuvers: we sent them up there with their reduced crews and started them at work, and as soon as the bill passed we saw what money we had and we began to arrange to cut it down, which we promptly did.

ALLOTMENT OF APPROPRIATION BALANCE.

Mr. KELLEY. Of course, you can not get that oil back, but I should think that the suggestion of the chairman, Admiral, would be a very timely one, that you take the balance of the money that has been appropriated and allot it to the ships which you think should participate in the rendezvous and target exercises and deny every other ship to an extent that the whole expenditure will come within the annual appropriation of $7,500,000.

Admiral Coontz. That would be partly practicable, Mr. Kelley: but, on the other hand, we can hardly stop the work in China or in the Black Sea which we have to keep up.

Mr. KELLEY. It may work a little hardship now, but I am very well satisfied that the chairman is right about it and that his attitude will have the backing of Congress.

The CHAIRMAN. We could not go into the House with anything that would be based on the showing these men have made. If we went into the House on a set of facts as presented by these gentlemen, we would be thrown out, and we ought to be thrown out. This is worse than the Shipping Board, and that was the rottenest thing I ever heard of. From what I have heard here to-day I really think this was just as badly managed as that.

Mr. ANTHONY. In reference to these destroyers that are supposed to be tied up in reserve, do you mean to say they were all put through their maneuvers this summer just the same?

Admiral COONTZ. Yes; they were taken to Newport and given their maneuvers.

The CHAIRMAN. We are very much obliged to you, gentlemen.

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