Itemized statement showing estimated erpenditures to cover salaries ana expenses to close of busincss June 30, 1922, etc.—Continued.

**George G. Goldthwaite.

**John F. Collins.
**R. M. Cook.
**Jos. G. Cotter.
*Robert C. Crockett.
*F. B. Crosthwaite..
**C. P. Curtis, jr.
*E. G. Curtis..
**Edward J. Daly.
**Benj. P. De Witt.
*Arthur E. Dowell.
*Osgood H. Dowell.
*Fred. K. Dyer.
*W. W. Dyer..
**A. D. Dyess.
*John C. Dyott.
*Clifton V. Edwards.

*Fred. L. Emery..
*John A. Fain.
**John Fine.
**E. C. Fishel.
*Jos. B. Fleming.
*Henry I. Foster.

*Chas. R. Frankham.

*Geo. A. H. Fraser. *Harry R. Gamble.. *W. Frank Gibbs.

*Carl P. Goepel.

**O. H. Graves.

**W. H. Hallett...
**John F. Harley.
*Harold Harper..
**B. E. Heffernan..
**John M. Henry
**John G. Heywood.

*Vance J. Higgs..
*Ramsay Hoguet.
*A. M. Holcome.
*A. R. Holden.

**Richard S. Holmes.

*J. E. Hoover..

*P. W. Howard..

*W. J. Hughes. *A. W. Hunter.. *Robert A. Hunter1 *H. Alfred Janke. *Lawrence A. Janney **John Jen. Sen. *A. R. Johnson, jr. *Chas. F. Jones. *G. Noble Jones. *Louis A. Jones. *Howard T. Jones. *D. M. Kelleher. *Harry E. Knight.. *Herbert H. Knight.. *Octavius Knight.. **Jos. L. Kun. **Wm. D. Kyser.. **William E. Leahy *Jas. J. Lenihan.. **J. Jos. Lilly *J. M. Linton. *J. W. Loveland. **E. H. Lumpkin. **M. Pearl McCall.. **Robt. C. McCormick. *Robt. H. McCormack. *C. A. McDonough.. *John Marshall.

1,707 7 2,070 4

1,041.76 I, aku 1.667.3) 1,400

**Michael R. Matteo.

**E. W. Middlekauff.

I Salary split, one-half paid from special assistants, one-half paid from oil lands.

ent showing estimated expenditures to cover salaries and es to close of business June 30, 1922, etc.-Continued.

Itemized statement showing estimated expenditures to cover salaries and expenses to close of business June 30, 1922, etc.-Continued.

Mr. HARRIS. A portion of these attorneys are defending the Government in suits now pending that involve claims aggregating more than $250,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. What do these claims consist of?

Mr. HARRIS. That class of claims consists almost wholly of patent infringement cases, or claims for royalty due under various patent-. Claims are made that the Government has taken over patents belonging to various patentees.

The CHAIRMAN. Does that result from the war?

Mr. HARRIS. Yes, sir. That is something that we think should be taken into consideration, because while the business of the other departments is decreasing, they have turned a great deal of business over to the Department of Justice, and have asked it to mop it up. This makes additional litigation. It has increased our business, while the business of the other departments has decreased. Now, there are $250,000,000 of claims involved in actual suits that have been brought. and there are $250,000.000 more in claims for which suits have not been instituted. In addition to that, we are defending the Government in income-tax cases and estate-tax cases. If we should lose one case it would cost the Government more than all the money required to run the entire Department of Justice for five years. We have one case, the Lee-Walker case, which involves $125,000,000.

AN. What kind of case is that? That is for the infringement of a patent on a fuse for ition to that, we have prevailed in the Crucible Steel n the Depuy estate tax, in which there were involved Ve had such men as Stanchfield and Root against us This list that has been inserted in the record shows amounts where the compensation is annual as well as paid on a quantum meruit basis.

AN. Are they included in this statement?

Yes, sir; that is estimated, but I can not tell what the ral will subsequently allow.

What is the maximum fee allowed?

The maximum fee, based on the per annum rate, is th.

YERS IN LAST ADMINISTRATION IN EXCESS OF $12,000 PER ANNUM.

You pay no lawyers over $12,000 per annum?

Not if they are on an annual basis. They are not paid 2,000. The last administration exceeded that considers high as $24,000.

How many were employed at that rate?

There was one at $18,000 and one at $24,000. Who were they?

Mr. Kresle and Mr. Rand.

What cases were they employed in?

Mr. Kresle was employed in the Packer cases in ChiRand in the Building Material cases.

How long were they employed?

I think about 16 months.
What was the total fee paid?
Kresle was paid $27,000.

For 15 months' work?

About that. At first he was only getting $1,000 per en he was jumped to $1,500 and then to $2,000. Wher $2,000 per month, or at that rate, it was during the he term of the last administration and when he was ditional cases. He was assigned to the Building Maew York.

What did the Attorney General mean by violating the not exceeding $1,000 per month?

There was no law against it.

But there was a fixed rule, was there not?

I do not know. The Attorney General fixed the com

How long did they pay him $2,400 per month? I think for about three months. Then prior to that I paid $1,500 per month for about six months, and he per month prior to that.

What was involved in those cases?

The Packers' Trust case was, as you know, a case inbination of packers in Chicago. Then the Buildcase was a combination of building material men, or

men handling cement, lumber, iron, steel, brick, etc., in New York.

Mr. BYRNS. Who handled that case?

Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Kresle, and Mr. Rand was also appointed with him.

Mr. BYRNS. Kresle was in both cases?

Mr. HARRIS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. When were those cases tried?

Mr. HARRIS. The Packers' case was tried in 1920. That was an agreed decree, as you remember, in the Supreme Court.

Mr. BYRNS. In how many cases did the administration depart from that rule? You have named one, Mr. Kresle?

Mr. HARRIS. Rand was the next man, and he was getting $18,000 at that time.

Mr. BYRNS. How long was he paid at that rate?

Mr. HARRIS. He was paid, I think, about two or three months. Prior to that time, or about two years prior to that time, he was paid about that rate. That was in connection with the Camp Upton condemnation proceedings. Then he was not in the employ of the Government until he was employed by Mr. Palmer in the building material case with Mr. Kresle.

Mr. BYRNS. Was he in the packers case?

Mr. HARRIS. No, sir.

Mr. BYRNS. No counsel was associated with him?

Mr. HARRIS. Yes, sir; Mr. Sabinsky, who was paid at the rate of $1,000 per month.

Mr. BYRNS. Are any attorneys now being paid at a rate exceeding $1,000 per month?

Mr. HARRIS. No, sir; I do not think so. They are not being paid in excess of $1,000 per month now; but I am not saying that the Attorney General may not subsequently fix something in excess of $1,000 per month in some of those cases in which the compensation is to be determined.

The CHAIRMAN. They promised us that they would not do it and we hope they will not do it.

Mr. HARRIS. Do you not think that sometimes he might be compelled to do that because of the counsel on the other side?

The CHAIRMAN. It makes no difference about the counsel on the other side if you have a good man on your side.

Mr. HARRIS. But sometimes we can not get them for $1,000 per month.

Mr. BYRNS. The Attorney General receives $12,000 a year and the Solicitor receives $10,000 per year, and I do not see why some man on the outside should receive more than the Attorney General or solicitor.

Mr. HARRIS. But he does not share the honor of the Attorney General.

Mr. BYRNS. But he gets a good deal of prestige out of these cases if he handles them right.

BASIS OF FIXING LAWYERS FEE.

Mr. HARRIS. I imagine that this administration is going to fix the fees of attorneys at somewhere between 20 per cent and 50 per cent of the amount claimed by them, as a rule.