INVESTIGATION OF CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA FRIDAY, JANUARY 18, 1952 UNITED STATES SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, INVESTIGATING CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, Washington, D. C. The subcommittee reconvened, at 10 a. m. (pursuant to S. Res., 136, agreed to Sept. 13, 1951, 1st sess., 82d Cong.), in room 457, Senate Office Building, Senator Matthew M. Neely (chairman), presiding. Present: Senators Neely, Hunt, Welker, and Butler. Also present: Arnold Bauman, chief counsel to the subcommittee; Harold Solomon, associate counsel; and William P. Gulledge, assistant counsel to the Committee on the District of Columbia. The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in order. Call your first witness, Mr. Bauman. Mr. BAUMAN. Emmitt Warring. Shall I proceed, Mr. Chairman? The CHAIRMAN. Proceed. FURTHER TESTIMONY OF EMMITT WARRING, ACCOMPANIED BY CHARLES E. FORD, COUNSEL Mr. BAUMAN. Mr. Warring, on what day were you the victim of a robbery? Mr. WARRING. I don't know, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. In what year were you the victim of a robbery? Mr. WARRING. 1949. Mr. BAUMAN. On the night you were robbed, did you call Major Barrett about that? Mr. BAUMAN. He did not call you at your home? Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did he come to your home that evening? Mr. WARRING. Not as I know of, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did he come to your home that evening? Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did he at any time come to your home on the evening you were robbed or while your brother-in-law, by the name of Cady, was still in the premises? Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did he come at any time that night to discuss the case with you? Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Now are you a personal friend of Inspector Wallrodt? Mr. WARRING. I refuse to answer that question, sir, on the grounds I may tend to incriminate myself. Mr. BAUMAN. On July 2, 1948 did you meet a man by the name of Samuel W. Ford? Mr. WARRING. When was that, sir? Mr. BAUMAN. July 2, 1948. Mr. WARRING. Samuel W. Ford? Mr. BAUMAN. Who was at that time an employee of the Department of Internal Revenue. Mr. WARRING. You say at night, was it? Mr. BAUMAN. No, I did not say at night, Mr. Warring. I asked if you met him on that particular day. Mr. WARRING. I don't know, sir, but I have met Mr. Sam Ford of the Internal Revenue, an agent. Mr. BAUMAN. And was that at your home at 3900 Macomb Street? Mr. WARRING. He did come to my home one morning. I don't know what the date was, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Would it refresh your recollection if I said that it was on or about July 2, 1948? Mr. WARRING. Yes sir, I think it was around June or July somewheres. Mr. BAUMAN. Now when Mr. Ford came to your home, did you know about it? Did you know he was coming or was it a surprise visit? Mr. WARRING. Yes, I had a notice from the Internal Revenue that they would want to look at my records. Mr. BAUMAN. Did they tell you that Mr. Ford was coming on that day? Mr. WARRING. Well, on the notice was to call Mr. Ford, and I already called Mr. Ford and he told me he wanted to go to the bank. Mr. BAUMAN. Did Mr. Ford tell you he wanted to go to the bank before he came to your house on that particular morning? Mr. WARRING. I don't know, I am not sure, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. You don't remember whether he told you he wanted to go to the bank for the first time at the time he appeared at your house, is that correct? Mr. WARRING. I am not sure. I don't know, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. And was it about 9 o'clock in the morning when he called on you? Mr. WARRING. Yes, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Will you tell us what conversation you had with Mr. Ford at that time? Mr. WARRING. Sir, I decline to answer that question on the ground I am in fear I may tend to incriminate myself because of my income tax case. Mr. BAUMAN. After your conversation with Mr. Ford, did you call your attorney? Mr. BAUMAN. After your conversation with Mr. Charles Ford did you and Mr. Sam Ford go to the Hamilton National Bank at Pennsylvania Avenue? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Let me give you the rest of the address before you decline, Mr. Warring. Pennsylvania Avenue and Twentieth Street, NW. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did you get there at about 11 o'clock in the morning? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Now on that particular occasion, at about 11: 15 a. m. in the presence of a bank employee, your safety deposit box was opened, is that correct? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. And when the box was opened, there were 240 $1,000 bills and one $10,000 bill in the box, is that right? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer the question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever seen a $1,000 bill, Mr. Warring? Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever seen a $10,000 bill? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. What was the source of the $250,000 in cash? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. May I make the same suggestion to you that I did to a witness the other day, and that is to please wait until I finish the question. Mr. WARRING. Yes; I will. Mr. BAUMAN. During the year 1948, somewhere between January 1, 1948, and July 6, 1948, did you place a bet on a number with Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did you ever tell anybody that you did hit on a number for $17,000 which you had placed with Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Do you know Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Where did you buy the $10,000 bill, Mr. Warring? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Was that at the Hamilton National Bank at Penn sylvania Avenue and Twentieth Street NW? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. When did you start to buy the 240 $1,000 bills? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Do you have any financial interest in the Hamilton National Bank. Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did he come at any time that night to discuss the case with you? Mr. WARRING. No, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Now are you a personal friend of Inspector Wallrodt? Mr. WARRING. I refuse to answer that question, sir, on the grounds I may tend to incriminate myself. Mr. BAUMAN. On July 2, 1948 did you meet a man by the name of Samuel W. Ford? Mr. WARRING. When was that, sir? Mr. BAUMAN. July 2, 1948. Mr. WARRING. Samuel W. Ford? Mr. BAUMAN. Who was at that time an employee of the Department of Internal Revenue. Mr. WARRING. You say at night, was it? Mr. BAUMAN. No, I did not say at night, Mr. Warring. I asked if you met him on that particular day. Mr. WARRING. I don't know, sir, but I have met Mr. Sam Ford of the Internal Revenue, an agent. Mr. BAUMAN. And was that at your home at 3900 Macomb Street? Mr. WARRING. He did come to my home one morning. I don't know what the date was, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Would it refresh your recollection if I said that it was on or about July 2, 1948? Mr. WARRING. Yes sir, I think it was around June or July somewheres. Mr. BAUMAN. Now when Mr. Ford came to your home, did you know about it? Did you know he was coming or was it a surprise visit? Mr. WARRING. Yes, I had a notice from the Internal Revenue that they would want to look at my records. Mr. BAUMAN. Did they tell you that Mr. Ford was coming on that day? Mr. WARRING. Well, on the notice was to call Mr. Ford, and I already called Mr. Ford and he told me he wanted to go to the bank. Mr. BAUMAN. Did Mr. Ford tell you he wanted to go to the bank before he came to your house on that particular morning? Mr. WARRING. I don't know, I am not sure, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. You don't remember whether he told you he wanted to go to the bank for the first time at the time he appeared at your house, is that correct? Mr. WARRING. I am not sure. I don't know, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. And was it about 9 o'clock in the morning when he called on you? Mr. WARRING. Yes, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Will you tell us what conversation you had with Mr. Ford at that time? Mr. WARRING. Sir, I decline to answer that question on the ground I am in fear I may tend to incriminate myself because of my income tax case. Mr. BAUMAN. After your conversation with Mr. Ford, did you call your attorney? Mr. BAUMAN. After your conversation with Mr. Charles Ford did you and Mr. Sam Ford go to the Hamilton National Bank at Pennsylvania Avenue? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Let me give you the rest of the address before you decline, Mr. Warring. Pennsylvania Avenue and Twentieth Street, NW. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did you get there at about 11 o'clock in the morning? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Now on that particular occasion, at about 11: 15 a. m. in the presence of a bank employee, your safety deposit box was opened, is that correct? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. And when the box was opened, there were 240 $1,000 bills and one $10,000 bill in the box, is that right? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer the question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever seen a $1,000 bill, Mr. Warring? Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever seen a $10,000 bill? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. What was the source of the $250,000 in cash? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. May I make the same suggestion to you that I did to a witness the other day, and that is to please wait until I finish the question. Mr. WARRING. Yes; I will. Mr. BAUMAN. During the year 1948, somewhere between January 1, 1948, and July 6, 1948, did you place a bet on a number with Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Did you ever tell anybody that you did hit on a number for $17,000 which you had placed with Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Do you know Snags Lewis? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Where did you buy the $10,000 bill, Mr. Warring? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Was that at the Hamilton National Bank at Penn sylvania Avenue and Twentieth Street NW? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. When did you start to buy the 240 $1,000 bills? Mr. WARRING. I decline to answer that question, sir. Mr. BAUMAN. Do you have any financial interest in the Hamilton National Bank. |