put out by the district attorney, and gambling practically cut down in Washington then like it is today.

Mr. BAUMAN. It was during that period that you countermanded orders issued by Inspector Truscott in placing a man before an estab lishment on Florida Avenue

Mr. BARRETT. The man was killed. I know the case. I remember the case. The man was killed in an automobile accident I believe out on Bladensburg Road, and it was brought out in the newspapers that he was a gambler and that he and his wife had a place, and I was on leave.

Inspector Truscott called me and told me that he was putting a man there. I knew that Mr. Fay had these investigators out. I said, "Why put him there? Let him see what goes on. Maybe he has somebody in there. Why put him there? Why tip him off? Let him get him." Mr. BAUMAN. Didn't you feel that the harassment of numbers operators or gamblers of this kind was a desirable thing?

Mr. BARRETT. I have done it. I have used it, yes, sir, many many times, but on that particular—

Mr. BAUMAN. In this instance you countermanded Inspector Truscott's orders?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir. There were headlines about this particular gambler being killed. The newspapers-there is one of them in the room here that was up interviewing his wife, and it was quite a story about it, and I didn't want to do anything I was on leave but I talked to him on the phone about it. I said, "Why put somebody in front of the place, tip him off, let him see it, see what goes on?"

Mr. BAUMAN. Now during July, August, and September when there was no I believe you asked Mr. Maher at one time to prepare a report showing "that our men have consistently accomplished as much in 1 month in the drive against gambling as Mr. Fay and the grand jury have done in 10 months," is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. I didn't ask Mr. Maher. I had nothing to do with Mr. Maher. Mr. Maher worked for the Commissioners and was assigned to that.

There was such a statement made, and I was called before the grand jury and I was asked by the grand jury if I did make such a statement, and I said that I did to a certain extent, not the way that it was published in the paper, and the Police Department did, and we had records to show that there was more done in 1 month by the Police Department than was done by them in 10.

Mr. MAHER. Mr. Chairman, may we have a brief recess for a few minutes?

The CHAIRMAN. For how long?

Mr. MAHER. For 2 or 3 minutes.

Mr. BAUMAN. Sir, it might be in the orderly presentation of this question advisable to recess until this afternoon.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection the subcommittee will now take a recess until 2:30 this afternoon, at which time all witnesses will return without further notice.

(Whereupon, at 1:45 a. m., the subcommittee recessed to reconvene at 2:30 p. m.)

AFTERNOON SESSION

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:30 p. m., pursuant to the

The CHAIRMAN. The subcommittee will be in order. Before we begin proceedings, the assistant clerk, Mr. Gulledge, will read three messages which the Chair has received during the noon hour.

Mr. GULLEDGE. This is a Western Union wire, Washington, D. C., December 14, addressed to Senator Matthew M. Neely, Senate District of Columbia Subcommittee [reading]:

Radio Station WWDC, Washington, respectfully protests your committee decision banning radio microphone. Appreciate your prompt reconsideration and reversal of this ruling. We feel it is discriminatory and without precedent in an open hearing.

Signed "Ben Strouse, General Manager."

Another telegram, Washington, D. C., December 14, addressed to Senator Matthew M. Neely:

Respectfully protest committee decision shutting off radio microphones and television cameras. Appreciate your immediate consideration of reversal of this ruling which we feel discriminatory in an open hearing.

RADIO CORRESPONDENTS ASSOCIATION. By HOLLIS M. SEAVEY.

Another telegram, Washington, D. C., January 14, to Senator Matthew M. Neely, chairman of the Senate subcommittee:

WOL heartily endorses the action of Hollis Seavey, president-elect of the Radio Correspondents Association, in protesting the decision to halt radio and TV broadcast of the Senate subcommittee investigating crime in Washington, D. C. We feel this ruling is discriminatory against the radio and television industry. In view of the fact that the hearings are public, WOL strongly requests a reversal of the subcommittee's ruling.

BEN E. WILBUR, WOL Station Manager.

The CHAIRMAN. Let all concerned take notice that the ruling to which these telegrams refer was restricted to the witness, Major Barrett. Proceed, Mr. Bauman.

FURTHER TESTIMONY OF ROBERT J. BARRETT, ACCOMPANIED BY CHARLES E. FORD AND DANIEL B. MAHER

Mr. BAUMAN. Major Barrett, I show you the original of your financial questionnaire and ask you if the answers therein contained are

true.

Mr. BARRETT. This questionnaire was made out by Mr. Canfield, my attorney, an acountant, my wife and several members at police headquarters that helped her gather the information while I was confined in the hospital. If there is any questions about that, I would like for you to call Mr. Canfield.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you read the questionnaire before you signed it? Mr. BARRETT. Isigned the questionnaire in the presence of Mr. Ford, Mr. Canfield, two members of police headquarters, a notary, a nurse and an orderly, with the table there to take me to the operating room. The CHAIRMAN. Major, the question was did you read the questionnaire?

Mr. BARRETT. I didn't have time. I glanced at it. I signed it and I swore to it.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do I understand that you executed this acknowledge

naire of 26 pages and that the matters and facts therein stated of your own knowledge are true, "those stated upon information and belief he believes to be true." Did you sign that?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir; I signed it.

Mr. BAUMAN. You swore to that before a notary?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Was that the truth at the time you swore to it before a notary?

Mr. BARRETT. Just exactly the way I told you. I had a nurse in the room, gave me a shot in the arm.

The CHAIRMAN. Major, that isn't responsive. that was the truth. Can't you answer that?

Mr. BARRETT. To the best of my knowledge.

You were asked if

Mr. BAUMAN. I understand your answer then to be that to the best of your knowledge you did read this questionnaire before you swore to the truth of the answers, is that correct?

Mr. BARRETT. I initialed it. My wife turned pages over. The nurse was right beside her. I initialed it. I swore to it; yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. I am going to ask you a very simple question, Major, and I hope for an equally simple answer. Did you read the questionnaire before you signed this acknowledgment?

Mr. BARRETT. I didn't read it all; no, sir, and Mr. Canfield is ready to be called about the questionnaire any time that you want to call him. Mr. BAUMAN. Mr. Canfield has not sworn to the truth of the answers, Major Barrett.

Mr. BARRETT. He is the one that gathered the information up for me while I was confined in the hospital.

Mr. BAUMAN. So that your statement, your sworn statement that you have read over this questionnaire before you signed it—— Mr. BARRETT. I signed it. I initialed every page.

Mr. BAUMAN. That isn't what that says, Major. Your sworn statement is that you read over the foregoing questionnaire, and you now say you didn't read it over; is that right?

Senator WELKER. May I ask a question, Mr. Chairman?

Major, those portions of the questionnaire not read by you, were they read by your attorney and the information conveyed to you?

Mr. BARRETT. I had given him information prior, and we had to go over it as fast as we possibly could. When they came with the notary for me to sign it, it just happened that they got there at the time that I was to go to the operating room, and it had to be done very speedily.

Senator WELKER. Major, are you satisfied that, as far as the information at hand that you had at your disposal at the time of executing this instrument is concerned, that the questionnaire contains the answers truthfully as far as you know?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Senator WELKER. That is all I want to inquire about.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you read this questionnaire since you have been out of the hospital? Have you reread your answers to this questionnaire since you have been out of the hospital, Major? Mr. BARRETT. Which ones would you mean?

Mr. BAUMAN. I mean the entire questionnaire. Have you read the questionnaire over, because I assume you retained a copy.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you read it over since you have been out of the hospital?

Mr. BARRETT. That is right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Are the answers there

The CHAIRMAN. Major, can't you answer a simple question like that "yes" or "no"?

Mr. BARRETT. Maybe you can answer and maybe you can't. There is an explanation that goes with them. I want to cooperate.

The CHAIRMAN. Repeat the question to which he said "That is right."

(The reporter read back the question.)

Mr. BAUMAN. Is the answer to that question "yes" or "no"?
Mr. BARRETT. Yes.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is the information therein contained true to the best of your knowledge?

Mr. BARRETT. To the best of my knowledge--I have noticed a couple of mistakes in it.

Mr. BAUMAN. What are they, sir?

Mr. BARRETT. One of them is my mother living in an apartment before she died. There is another one that my wife called my attention to that I don't recall just which it is right now. If you have it in mind, ask me the question.

Mr. BAUMAN. I want to know in what respects the questionnaire is inaccurately answered, sir.

Senator BUTLER. May I ask a question? Is the mistake anything material?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir. I put my mother living in an apartment, and that was one, and there is one or two other small mistakes there that I have noticed.

Mr. BAUMAN. Are there any mistakes in connection with your automobile transactions?

Mr. BARRETT. It possibly could.

Mr. BAUMAN. What are they, sir?

Mr. BARRETT. I don't know. I didn't get that information. I have not got it yet.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you want to make any corrections of any of the answers contained in the questionnaire at this time?

Mr. BARRETT. I was told Saturday afternoon by Mr. Canfield to refer to him about the automobiles. He gathered it and checked the information for me.

The CHAIRMAN. Major, he asked whether you wanted to make any changes in the statement.

Mr. BARRETT. I don't know yet. I have never checked them. It's 12 cars involved since 1942, and truthfully I couldn't answer the question now, but you can.

The CHAIRMAN. Major, will you state whether you wish to make any changes in your statement regarding your automobile transactions? If you desire to amend your questionnaire, it will only be necessary for you to inform the committee of that fact.

Mr. BARRETT. That is very correct. I don't know.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know of any specific changes you do wish to make in the statement?

Mr. BARRETT. That's right. He gathered the information in a conversation I had with him on Saturday. He got it off of my income tax and from dealers. I started to make a check myself of dealers and found out that you were, so I felt it was imposing upon them for me to ask them to give me the same thing that they gave you.

Mr. BAUMAN. I take it the substance of your answer, sir, is that you do not want to change the answers to any of those questions on automobiles: is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. I will change any answer that I know is not right, but I don't know which ones. I never went into it. If you have one, I will. If you call my attention to it, I will check, I will find out, I will answer you as truthfully as I possibly can. That's what my intentions are.

Mr. BAUMAN. In the time since you have been out of the hospital, sir, I believe you have already testified that you have reread your questionnaire; is that correct?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. And did you read over that part pertaining to the car transactions?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir; there's 12 cars involved, and on Saturday, as I just told you, I talked to Mr. Canfield about it, and he asked me to refer to him and he would answer for the cars.

Mr. BAUMAN. Major Barrett, do you generally carry large sums of cash?

Mr. BARRETT. I have; yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. How large?

Mr. BARRETT. Well, I don't know.

Mr. BAUMAN. Well, what would you say would be the largest amount of cash you would have had on hand at any one time?

Mr. BARRETT. Well, that's hard to tell. I have had a lot of dealings with a lot of cash.

Mr. BAUMAN. How much would you say is a lot of cash?

'Mr. BARRETT. $4,000, $5,000?

Mr. BAUMAN. Where have you kept that cash?

Mr. BARRETT. Some of it in the bank, some home, some down in my office.

Mr. BAUMAN. Sir, so that you will understand the questions that I am asking, when I talk about cash, I am not talking about money in the bank. I am talking about currency.

Mr. BARRETT. Well, sometimes I have it and it goes to the bank.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you generally pay your bills in cash or by check? Mr. BARRETT. The bills that I paid out of my office for different things, most all of them in cash-I mean in check.

Mr. BAUMAN. Now you have, as you have said, consistently dealt in large amounts of cash over the last 4 or 5 years, have you not? Mr. BARRETT. I didn't say that.

Mr. BAUMAN. Let's see if we can

Mr. BARRETT. You asked me what was the largest amount of cash I ever had.

Mr. BAUMAN. You trust the banks, don't you, Major? I mean you feel your money would be safe in banks?