Mr. BAUMAN. At this time, Mr. Chairman, with the permission of the committee I should like to call Mr. Lowe on this transaction, in the presence of Major Barrett.

Senator WELKER. I just want to say that I do not approve of the disruption of a witness who is on the witness stand. If you have some contradictory testimony that will come out later, it would be best to have it come later, and we would be sandwiching witnesses here all week. That is my own personal reflection. It gets us away from the continuity of this one witness.

Mr. BAUMAN. If you feel such is the case

Senator WELKER. However, I will submit to the group; that is my own personal observation.

Mr. BAUMAN. Major Barrett, how much currency did you have on your person on that day?

Mr. BARRETT. What date is that?

Mr. BAUMAN. The day you placed the thousand dollar deposit in $100 bills on that farm?

Mr. BARRETT. I had that thousand dollars, and I had some more; I don't know just how much.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you have any $1,000 bills?

Mr. BARRETT. Never had

Mr. BAUMAN. On your person on that day?

Mr. BARRETT. Never had one in my life; never had a $500 bill in my life.

Mr. BAUMAN. Mr. Chairman, I am pursuing this line of questioning with Major Barrett because I intend to make an offer of proof at a later date involving the transaction about which Major Barrett has been testifying, to the effect that the contract was entered into pretty much as Major Barrett says; that on the day the deposit was given, namely, July 5, Major Barrett took from his pocket an envelope containing a sizable quantity of new bills; that Mr. Lowe will testify that he saw-that he does not know the exact amount of such money, but that he is certain he saw either two or three $1,000 bills in the envelope.

The CHAIRMAN. That testimony will be admitted at the proper' time.

Mr. BAUMAN. That 10 $100 bills were given as a deposit-as a matter of fact, that entire transaction will be developed later, Mr. Chairman, with the permission of the committee.

Major Barrett, there were a number of questions in your questionnaire which you failed completely to answer, and with your permission I am going to ask those questions now.

I believe you stated in your questionnaire that you have received two television sets as gifts.

Mr. MAHER. What question are you referring to, Mr. Bauman? Mr. BAUMAN. I will get it for you in a moment. I am talking about question No. 55 on page 22.

Mr. MAHER. 55, Mr. Bauman?

Mr. BAUMAN. Question No. 55 on page 22, which shows the gift of a television set in 1945 from a family friend, and one in 1950 from a family friend.

Who were the family friends?

Mr. BARRETT. A reputable businessman, and I hope the committee

here, an honorable man, a wholesaler in television and other electrical equipment, a very honorable man.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did he give you the one in 1945?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Who gave you the one in 1945?

Mr. BARRETT. Another reputable businessman. I will give you the names in executive session, but I rather, in answer

Mr. BAUMAN. I do not see any reason myself, Major, why the names should not be given in public session. Every other member of the Department has answered this questionnaire in full, and I do believe that yours ought to be answered in full, sir.

Mr. Chairman, I would like permission of the chair to press the question.

The CHAIRMAN. Proceed.

Senator WELKER. My observation is that you might just as well answer it here as in executive session because it will be out 10 minutes after that anyway.

Major Barrett, I am mindful of the spirit that prompts the witness to decline to answer this question, but let me say to you that the majority of the committee here feel that you would be doing a greater justice to your friend who gave you the television set by telling his name openly and publicly than by withholding the name, because the assumption will go out, Major Barrett, that some thief or crook gave you those sets, and I think you would be helping your friends if you would just openly state who gave you that gift.

Mr. BARRETT. Fine. The one in 1945 of Southern Wholesalers. Mr. William O'Connor, and the other one Mr. Burka, of the Atlantic Supply Co.-I don't know where it is-West Virginia Avenue. That is Izzie Burka.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you gotten other gifts of that size, Major?
Mr. BARRETT. What do you mean, Mr. Bauman?

Mr. BAUMAN. Let us say, have you in the course of your administration received from people other than those in the Police Department and your family, gifts of the value of over $200 ?

(There was a conference between witness and his counsel.)

Mr. BARRETT. I don't know how you would value some gifts. I have received many gifts from honorable businessmen.

Mr. BAUMAN. I have just one or two more questions.

You say that you sold an Oldsmobile on March 17, 1947, for $2,350; is that right? I am referring to the next to the last paragraph on that insert on the card, the answer to question 34. It says:

I sold this car to the Arvin Motors about March 17, 1947.

Mr. BARRETT. My best recollection of that was that that Oldsmobile and the Chrysler don't-Mr. Canfield has made a mistake here. Mr. BAUMAN. Sir, what did you say your recollection was? Mr. BARRETT. I think Mr. Canfield has made a mistake in that.

As

I recall, the Chrysler was the first one that I bought, and I think in

typing this up or fixing it up

Mr. BAUMAN. Are you ready to answer, sir?

Mr. MAHER. Will you read the question, please, Mr. Reporter?

(The question was read by the reporter.)

Mr. BAUMAN. You understand that I am talking about the 1946 Oldsmobile which you sold on or about March 17, 1947, for $2,350?

Is

(There was a conference between witness and his counsel.)

Mr. BARRETT. I don't have any independent recollection. It is a possibility that my bank book has got a little mistake here on it, but that is it is part of it in here that is true, that I had drawn $500 out of my daughter's account in the Oriental Building Association

Mr. BAUMAN. Sir, I am not talking about that. Actually you sold that Oldsmobile to Arvin Motors, not on March 17, 1947, but on November 25, 1946, and you used the proceeds from that car to buy the 1946 Buick on December 31, 1946, for $2,278, which you paid

in cash.

Where did you get the $1,250 which you deposited in cash on March 17, 1947?

Mr. BARRETT. Probably from the sale of a car is all I can

Mr. BAUMAN. Now, the car previous to that which you sold was one in February, and you did sell a car in February, and you deposited the entire proceeds of that sale in the bank.

The car before that, I believe, you sold in November of the preceding year, and that is one about which we are just talking.

Mr. BARRETT. I don't recall. Most of these cars were sold for cash, and I sold one and bought another.

Mr. BAUMAN. Where did you get the $1,250 that you deposited in cash on that date?

Mr. BARRETT. From probably selling one of the other cars or a car. Mr. BAUMAN. You have no clear recollection of that?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. I have no further questions at this time, although I would like the witness to return.

The CHAIRMAN. The subcommittee will now take a recess until tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock. The witnesses will return without any further notice.

(Whereupon, at 4:30 p. m., the subcommittee recessed to reconvene at 10 a. m. on Tuesday, January 15, 1952.)

INVESTIGATION OF CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IN

THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

TUESDAY, JANUARY 15, 1952

UNITED STATES SENATE,
SUECOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE

ON THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA,

INVESTIGATING CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT,

Washington, D. C.

The subcommittee met, at 10 a. m. (pursuant to S. Res. 136, agreed to September 13, 1951, 1st sess., 82d Cong.), in room 457, Senate Office Building, Senator Matthew M. Neely (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Neely, Hunt, Welker, and Pastore.

Also present: Arnold Bauman, chief counsel to the subcommittee; Harold Solomon, associate counsel; and William P. Gulledge, assistant counsel to the full committee.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in order.

Mr. BAUMAN. At this time, in the interest of the convenience of certain witnesses who, in my judgment, will not possibly be able to be reached today, I would like to request the Chair to excuse the witnesses I am about to name until tomorrow morning.

The CHAIRMAN. Name the witnesses. They will be excused for the day, with the understanding that they must return tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock.

Mr. BAUMAN. Roger Simkins, Yvonne Simkins.

In the case of Roger and Yvonne Simkins, they will be excused until 2 o'clock tomorrow, with the permission of the Chair.

The CHAIRMAN. It is so ordered.

Mr. BAUMAN. Maurice Newsome, Jeff Thomas, Audrey Dixon, Hazel Terry, Jacqueline Terry, Frederick C. Woods, Sherman A. Berry, and Henry Ellis, until 10 o'clock on January 16, if the Chair please. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, it is so ordered.

Mr. MAURICE WEEKS. I am Maurice Weeks, representing Maurice Newsome. I have a matter in court tomorrow morning and I expected to be called today. I am wondering if we couldn't be excused until 11 o'clock tomorrow morning.

Mr. BAUMAN. I see no objection to that.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Weeks' client is excused until 11 o'clock tomorrow morning.

Mr. BAUMAN. No further preliminary business.

The CHAIRMAN. Please proceed with your next witness.
Senator WELKER. Mr. Chairman, may I make a statement?

Yesterday afternoon the chairman and I discussed this very matter that I want to bring to the committee's attention at this time. It doesn't apply directly to this witness, but it should apply to every witness before this subcommittee.