I heard his remarks made in this committee. They were in all respects temperate, they were in all respects honorable, and I certainly observed, and I am sure the audience observed, no characterization on the part of the chairman which could lead to the accusation that he shouted or abused anyone, either a witness or likely to be a witness.

While I am on the subject matter, if I took as much time as you did, Mr. Chairman, to answer the allegations made against me on the radio last Sunday night by a certain commentator, I am certain we would not go on with the hearing; but I do want to commend you, Mr. Chairman, for your fair activity with respect to this particular allegation and all other allegations.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is very grateful to the distinguished Senator from Idaho for his most generous and comforting observations.

Call your first witness, Mr. Bauman.

Mr. BAUMAN. Nellie Leach. Would you please rise and be sworn. The CHAIRMAN. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Miss LEACH. I do.

TESTIMONY OF NELLIE LEACH, WASHINGTON, D. C.

Mr. BAUMAN. What is your name?

Miss LEACH. Nellie Leach.

Mr. BAUMAN. Just wait a moment for the photographers to finish taking their pictures.

Is that spelled L-e-a-c-h?

Miss LEACH. Yes; it is.

Mr. BAUMAN. Where do you live?

Miss LEACH. 1018 South Caroline Avenue SE.

Mr. BAUMAN. Washington, D. C.?

Miss LEACH. Yes; it is.

Mr. BAUMAN. I wonder if you would be good enough to keep your voice up just as high as you can so that we can all hear you.

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the chairman, and in speaking to him it will be possible for everybody else up here to hear what you say. Will you do that please?

Miss LEACH. Yes.

Mr. BAUMAN. You are now out on bail of the District Court of the District of Columbia; is that correct?

Miss LEACH. Yes; it is.

Mr. BAUMAN. On what charge are you on such bail?

Miss LEACH. On narcotics.

Mr. BAUMAN. Violation of the narcotics laws?

Miss LEACH. Yes; it is.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is that in connection with the sale of narcotics?

Miss LEACH. Yes; it is.

Mr. BAUMAN. You are a very close friend of Herbert Johnson; is that right?

Miss LEACH. Yes; I am.

Mr. BAUMAN. How long have you been on very intimate terms with Mr. Johnson?

Mr. BAUMAN. How long have you known a man by the name of Randolph Turner alias Catfish?

Miss LEACH. Well, I've knew him any number of years, but I've been more affiliated with him in the last 3 years.

Mr. BAUMAN. What do you mean when you use the word "affiliated"?

Miss LEACH. Well, I've been a little closer to him.

Mr. BAUMAN. What business has Mr. Turner been in in the last 3 years to your knowledge?

Miss LEACH. To my knowledge, narcotics.

Mr. BAUMAN. Has he been selling narcotics during that period? Miss LEACH. Yes; he has.

Mr. BAUMAN. At any time have you entered into any business relationship with Catfish Turner?

Miss LEACH. Well, Buck did.

Mr. BAUMAN. By Buck from here on out we shall understand you to refer to Herbert Johnson; is that right?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. When did that take place?

Miss LEACH. I'd say in 1950, September of 1950.

Mr. BAUMAN. In September of 1950?

Miss LEACH. Yes.

Mr. BAUMAN. How long did you remain in the business of selling narcotics?

Miss LEACH. I'd say until June of 1951.

Mr. BAUMAN. Where was the place from which you and Johnson operated?

Miss LEACH. 29 S Street.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is that Northwest?

Miss LEACH. Northwest.

Mr. BAUMAN. Washington, D. C.?

Miss LEACH. Washington, D. C.

Mr. BAUMAN. When you and Buck started to deal in narcotics, from whom did you buy them?

Miss LEACH. From Randolph Turner.

Mr. BAUMAN. What form were they in when you bought them from Randolph Turner?

Miss LEACH. Capsules.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you ever get them in decks?

Miss LEACH. No decks.

Mr. BAUMAN. What was the method of getting the narcotics from Catfish to you? Did you call for them? Were they delivered? How did you get them?

Miss LEACH. Well, didn't have it, we'd call up, and if he wasn't there we'd leave the message with his girl friend, and he would bring it either or Paul Robinson would bring it.

Mr. BAUMAN. What was the name of his girl friend?

Miss LEACH. Aletha Simpson.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is she known as Kitty Simpson?

Miss LEACH. Yes; she is.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did Buck ever go over there to acquire the narcotics?

Mr. BAUMAN. In addition to Paul Robinson, whom I believe you mentioned, and Randolph Turner himself, do you remember the names of any of the others who delivered narcotics to your home?

Miss LEACH. Well, Paul Robinson and Catfish was the only two that delivered it to 29 S Street.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you remember the names of any others who delivered to any other address?

Miss LEACH. Well, Leon James did.

Mr. BAUMAN. To what address did he deliver?

Miss LEECH. Well, he used to give it to Buck, catch Buck on the street some place and give it to him.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you remember the name of anybody else who delivered narcotics to you?

Miss LEACH. No; not to me.

Mr. BAUMAN. About how soon after you called would these narcotics be delivered to your home?

Miss LEACH. I'd say between 15 minutes and a half an hour.

Mr. BAUMAN. How much did you pay, and by "you" I am referring to both you and Buck, since you lived together. How much did you pay for a capsule?

Miss LEACH. Well, a capsule would run around 67 cents.

Mr. BAUMAN. I didn't hear that.

Miss LEACH. Around 67 cents for a capsule.

Mr. BAUMAN. What did you sell it for?

Miss LEACH. Well, if someone wanted a large order, you'd sell it for a dollar a cap, and if not, you'd sell it for a dollar and a half. Mr. BAUMAN. What do you mean by a large order?

Miss LEACH. Say if they wanted 50 or a hundred or something like that.

Mr. BAUMAN. So that if a person wanted a large order, there was some sort of a quantity discount, is that right?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. And if a man just wanted one or two or three, he would have to pay a dollar and a half for them?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you know whether the people to whom you sold them in these large quantities about which you have just testified resold them or used them for themselves?

Miss LEACH. Most of them resold them.

Mr. BAUMAN. Would you have any idea of the price at which these were resold?

Miss LEACH. Well, some for $1.75, some for $2.

Mr. BAUMAN. You started in this business from mid-September 1950 until July of 1951; is that right?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. What did you generally and mainly deal in, Miss Leach?

Miss LEACH. Heroin.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you ever cut heroin?

Miss LEACH, No, I didn't.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you at any time ever cut heroin?

Miss LEACH. No, I have never cut any.

Senator WELKER. May I have a definition, counsel, of what she means by cutting heroin?

Mr. BAUMAN. Will you explain to the committee, please, what the term "cutting heroin" means?

Miss LEACH. Well, if you get an ounce of heroin, you mix it with milk sugar, that's what they call cutting it.

Mr. BAUMAN. It is I believe, sir, adulterating it with milk sugar or other substances cornstarch on occasion; is that not right? Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Now you have on occasion bought milk sugar at drug stores; haven't you?

Miss LEACH. Yes, I have.

Mr. BAUMAN. What has that been used for?

Miss LEACH. That's been used for cutting heroin.

Mr. BAUMAN. Who used it for cutting heroin?

Miss LEACH. Well, Buck used to cut it.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever bought any empty capsules?

Miss LEACH. Yes, I have.

Mr. BAUMAN. What size capsules have you bought?

Miss LEACH. If I'm not mistaken, it was No. 5.

Mr. BAUMAN. Where did you buy them?

Miss LEACH. Any drug store.

Mr. BAUMAN. During the whole period about which you have testifiled so far, did you buy narcotics from anybody but Randolph Turner? Miss LEACH. No; I didn't.

Mr. BAUMAN. About March 16, 1951, you were arrested; is that correct?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Tell the committee what the disposition of that case

was.

Miss LEACH. Well, it was nolle prossed for insufficient evidence on Easter Monday.

Mr. BAUMAN. Have you ever been convicted of a crime?

Miss LEACH. No; I haven't.

The CHAIRMAN. For what was she arrested?

Mr. BAUMAN. You have just testified, have you not, that you were arrested on March 16, 1951, and that case was dismissed for lack of evidence; is that correct, or nolle prossed?

Miss LEACH. That's correct.

Mr. BAUMAN. That is borne out by the fingerprint record of this lady. You were arrested once after that on November 16, 1951; is that right?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is that the charge on which you are now out on bail? Miss LEACH. That's right.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Counsel, was the witness locked up in the first case or released under bond?

Mr. BAUMAN. Please tell the committee what happened in connection with the first case. You were arrested on March 16; is that

correct?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. You were arraigned before the United States Commissioner; were you?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. And what was the disposition before the United States Commissioner?

Miss LEACH. Well, I was put under a $5,000 bond.

Mr. BAUMAN. And held for the action of the grand jury?

Miss LEACH. No; we were supposed to have another hearing before the Commissioner.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you make bail?

Miss LEACH. No; I didn't. I stayed in District jail for 12 days. Mr. BAUMAN. Did you have another hearing before the District Commissioner?

Miss LEACH. And when I went up for the second hearing, that's when the case was dismissed for insufficient evidence.

Mr. BAUMAN. You were at that time released; is that right?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. You were never indicted in that case?

Miss LEACH. No, I wasn't.

Mr. BAUMAN. You were released after a preliminary hearing by the United States District Commissioner?

Miss LEACH. That's right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Were you arrested by Sergeant Taylor on that charge?

Miss LEACH. Well, I think Mr. Joshua Taylor was there, Mr. Carper and two or three other ones I didn't know.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do you know Sergeant Taylor?
Miss LEACH. No, I don't.

Mr. BAUMAN. Who actually made the arrest?

Miss LEACH. Well, I just remember there was so many of them in there.

Mr. BAUMAN. To answer the question, the fingerprint records of this woman indicate the arresting officer to be W. L. Taylor and the complainant to have been H. H. Carper.

The disposition shown on the fingerprint record is "dismissed," and I might say that this one arrest shows up as four different violations on the fingerprint record.

The CHAIRMAN. Were any naroctics taken from you by the officer who arrested you?

Miss LEACH. No, there wasn't.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know who had your case dismissed?
Miss LEACH. No, I don't.

The CHAIRMAN. Were you represented by an attorney?

Miss LEACH. Curtis Mitchell.

The CHAIRMAN. Was he your attorney?

Miss LEACH. Curtis Mitchell was my attorney.

The CHAIRMAN. Did witnesses appear against you?

Miss LEACH. No, they didn't.

The CHAIRMAN. Did the officer who arrested you testify?

Miss LEACH. No, he didn't.

The CHAIRMAN. Did Lieutenant Carper testify?

Miss LEACH. No, he didn't.

Mr. BAUMAN. Carper is shown as the complainant, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know any reason why the complaining