Callahan had him out to his house and told him, "Al, I am sorry," and so forth. There was never any record.

Mr. BAUMAN. Inspector Bullock has testified before this committee and he never stated that Major Callahan said, "Al, I am sorry."

Mr. BARRETT. I cannot help what Inspector Bullock testified to. I am telling you what I heard."

Mr. BAUMAN. On the very day you became Major and Superintendent you transferred Captain Bullock from No. 8 to No. 13; is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. If the report shows it.

Mr. BAUMAN. That is what the record shows, that on the very day you became major you put him in charge of No. 13. Is that your recollection, sir?

Mr. BARRETT. If the records show it.

Mr. BAUMAN. The records do show it.

Mr. BARRETT. There was an Acting Superintendent for several weeks or several months before that and it was my agreement and possibly his recommendation and others that that be done. If you say July 1, 1947, that is correct.

Mr. BAUMAN. No. 13 was a precinct which, according to police information, had an awful lot more gambling than No. 8.

Mr. BARRETT. No. 13 takes a very level-headed captain to run it. Mr. BAUMAN. I didn't particularly ask about the mental qualifications.

Mr. BARRETT. There is a lot of gambling, a lot of everything, a lot of crime. More crime in No. 13 than any precinct of the city.

Mr. BAUMAN. There is a lot more gambling in No. 13 than in No. 8? Mr. BARRETT. I would say "Yes."

Mr. BAUMAN. Was it your feeling that Captain Bullock's unsavory connections better equipped him to deal with this gambling problem in No. 13?

Mr. BARRETT. I talked to Inspector Bullock at that time shortly after he was transferred there. I picked good officials for him and he did a good job in No. 13.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you feel that a man over whom this cloud hung about the unsavory connections should be transferred from a precinct in which there was little gambling activity to one in which there was great gambling activity?

Mr. BARRETT. If he wasn't charged and convicted of anything, what can you do? You have 13 captains and you have to pick a captain for a precinct. I do not make captains. The civil service makes them. Mr. BAUMAN. But you recommend them or did while you were major.

Mr. BARRETT. Do what?

Mr. BAUMAN. You had a certain percentage, a certain number of percentage points which was the difference in most cases between a man making captain and a man not making captain.

Mr. BARRETT. I didn't at that time, not before I was made chief. Mr. BAUMAN. In any event, you recommended the promotion of Captain Bullock to inspector on January 1, 1950.

Mr. BARRETT. I wouldn't know whether I approved it. I am responsible for it. I took over July 1 and there had been an Acting Superin

Mr. BAUMAN. Who makes the recommendation for promotion to the rank of inspector if not yourself?

Mr. BARRETT. Generally several. Inspector of districts recommends certain ones. The executive officer there. You try to pick the best man for the best place.

Mr. BAUMAN. Who recommended Captain Bullock for promotion to the rank of inspector?

Mr. BARRETT. I wasn't Superintendent at that time.

Mr. BAUMAN. In 1950?

Mr. BARRETT. I recommended him.

Mr. BAUMAN. I am saying that Inspector Bullock was promoted on January 1, 1950. And you had then been major for 211⁄2 years. Mr. BARRETT. For inspector?

Mr. BAUMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. BARRETT. I did.

Mr. BAUMAN. You recommended him for inspector?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes.

Mr. BAUMAN. Were you at that time a aware of his acquaintance with Charles E. Nelson?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Were you at that time aware of this cloud which hung over him in Major Callahan's mind, at least, relating to his unsavory connections?

Mr. BARRETT. I had never heard any conversation from Major Callahan and I had had many, many conversations with him until the time of his death. He never discussed with me one word about Inspector Bullock. He always favored him and liked him.

Mr. BAUMAN. As we pointed out to you in January, Major, Inspector Bullock's predecessor in No. 13. Captain Truscott, in 1 year had a record of 130 felonies and 132 misdemeanor gambling arrests as contrasted with Bullock's record of 123 felonies and 123 misdemeanors for 22 years in gambling. Was that vigorous enforcement of the gambling laws in his precinct that impelled you to promote him to inspector?

Mr. BARRETT. The answer to that was that in 1948, which takes up the best part of it, there was a special grand jury to investigate gambling that devoted much of their time to No. 13, and No. 13 was practically closed down.

Mr. BAUMAN. When for the first time did you hear that Inspector and Mrs. Bullock for a period of 30 months had deposited a total of $15,000 in cash into their bank accounts, excluding their pay checks? Mr. BARRETT. Since it was brought out here.

Mr. BAUMAN. In the January hearings you testified to your sources of information, you testified that it is necessary on occasion to know gamblers because they are fine sources of information.

Mr. BARRETT. That is right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Didn't you, through the many sources of information at your disposal, ever hear that Inspector Bullock was in a position to make large deposits of cash into his bank?

Mr. BARRETT. Never heard of it.

Mr. BAUMAN. Had you ever heard any information which might possibly have led you to make an investigation of Inspector Bullock's

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. You recommended Inspector Beach, Beverly Beach, for promotion to that rank on or about August 15, 1951; is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir. After he had had a conversation with Commissioner Young.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did you make the recommendation or did Commissioner Young make the recommendation?

Mr. BARRETT. I made the recommendation after he had a conversation with him.

Mr. BAUMAN. Is it the import of that remark that Commissioner Young asked you to make that recommendation?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir. Beach asked me to allow him to go up and have a conversation with Commissioner Young, and he did. After that 1 had a conversation with Commissioner Young and I recommended Beach.

Mr. BAUMAN. Did Commissioner Young tell you or ask you to recommend Beach for promotion to the rank of inspector?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. So that the recommendation for promotion to that rank was made on your own; is that right, sir?

Mr. BARRETT. That is right.

Mr. BAUMAN. At the time you made this recommendation, were you aware of the fact that in a 44-month period there were only three arrests of gambling in his precinct, a period of almost 4 years? Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. That was called to your attention by the Davis committee; is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir. It dates back 4 years. A very few number of arrests in No. 7 precinct.

Mr. BAUMAN. Inspector Beach received a certain amount of criticism at the hands of the Davis committee for his failure to have a more impressive record in gambling cases.

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Eight months after the Davis committee terminated, in January 1951, you recommended his promotion to the rank of inspector; is that right?

Mr. BARRETT. That is right.

Mr. BAUMAN. Having in mind the concern of the House committee with regard to Inspector Beach's gambling record; is that right? Mr. BARRETT. And knowing No. 7 precinct like I do; yes, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Inspector Beach has testified that he made a large number of cash loans running from $1,000 to $9,000. Some of these loans were made to members of the Metropolitan Police Department.

When did you for the first time hear that Inspector Beach was lending thousands of dollars in cash to various members of the Police Department and others at interest?

Mr. BARRETT. Never heard of it.

Mr. BAUMAN. Never heard of it at all?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Doesn't it strike you, Major, that there was an awful lot going on among your top officials at headquarters of which you never heard?

Mr. BAUMAN. Isn't it the fact, Major, that Beach had that reputation, and to this day has that reputation, in the department of lending substantial sums of money to members of the department who need it?

Mr. BARRETT. I wouldn't hear.

Mr. BAUMAN. Inspector Beach has testified that he purchased liquor and other things at wholesale and resold them at wholesale to his friends. Have you ever heard of that?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Are you aware that that is a fairly common practice?
Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. Now you appointed Lt. Jacob Wolf head of the auto squad, didn't you?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir.

Mr. BAUMAN. We will come back to that. The chairman wants to interrogate you.

(There was discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. In January, Major, you testified before this committee that sometime between October or November 1947 and February 1948 you obtained $2,500 in cash from your mother, who at that time lived at 813 Sixth Street NE., in what is known as the ninth precinct. Do you recall that testimony, Major?

Mr. BARRETT. I decline to answer based upon my constitutional rights in being a witness against myself.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair reminds you that you testified about this and said that you obtained $2,500 from your mother at the time indicated, and that she had that sum of money in a bag in an unlocked dresser drawer in an unlocked house.

Do you think it would incriminate you to state whether you recall that you testified to that effect?

Mr. BARRETT. I decline to answer upon my constitutional rights. I am not going to make a witness against myself.

The CHAIRMAN. A part of the record of your previous examination is as follows:

The CHAIRMAN. Where did your mother live at the time she gave you this money

meaning this $2,500.

Mr. BARRETT. 813 Sixth NE.

The CHAIRMAN. How much in cash did she give you?

Mr. BARRETT. It was around $2,500.

The CHAIRMAN. Your mother lived there at that time by herself?

Mr. BARRETT. No, sir; with one of my sisters

And so on.

The CHAIRMAN. Major, you have long held a responsible place as a police officer in the District of Columbia and have had much experience, and are a man of thorough understanding of the ordinary ways of doing business. As an officer of the law, did you believe that it was advisable for your mother or any other woman to keep as much as $2,500 in cash lying around the house?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Habitually?

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You think that is a safe thing to do in Washington?

The CHAIRMAN. Major, the record shows that in the year in which you obtained this $2,500-from the 1st day of July 1947, to the 30th day of June 1948-the robberies in the city of Washington were 1,551 and that the burglaries in Washington during that year were 4.179. Furthermore, there were 2,302 cases of grand larceny in the city, while in precinct No. 9, in which your mother lived at that time, when you say she was keeping $2,500 in a bag in an unlocked drawer in an unlocked house with your approval, there were 139 cases of housebreaking, 6 murders, and 49 robberies.

Would you care to tell the committee, in view of that record, whether you still think it was prudent for you to fail to admonish your mother against having $2,500 in cash lying around in her unlocked house in a canvas bag?

Mr. BARRETT. I decline to answer, based on my constitutional rights. I am not going to make a witness against myself.

Mr. FORD. May I at this time advise the committee that I have in my hand, and am willing to submit to the Senators, an official statement from the Internal Revenue dated May 26, 1952, that his entire tax returns are now under investigation by the Bureau, coupled up with the press releases, at least the statements in the press which contain, since he last testified, that all of his matters would be turned over to the United States attorney for the District of Columbia for his consideration toward prosecution.

If any of the Senators are interested, I would be glad to show you this official letter showing that as of that date, from that date until now, they are so doing.

Mr. BAUMAN. I have no comment to make.

Senator WELKER. Do I understand you, Mr. Witness and Counsel, that as of this time you will, under your objection heretofore made, refuse to answer any questions with respect to your finances, bank account, your income, or anything bearing upon your finances, your income, or otherwise?

Mr. FORD. Yes, sir; that is correct.

Mr. BARRETT. Yes, sir.

Senator WELKER. And any questions we might propound to you at this time or in the future will be refused by you upon those grounds? Mr. BARRETT. That is correct.

Mr. BAUMAN. Do I understand the nature of the ground, Mr. Ford, to be that the witness declines to answer on the grounds that he is availing himself of his privilege against self-incrimination?

Mr. FORD. No, sir. Self-incrimination does not appear in the amendment. It is a misuse of words.

The amendment states that no one can be a witness against himself. That is the grounds he stands on. I find no justification for the use of the word "self-incrimination" in the Constitution of these United States.

Mr. BAUMAN. And I take it, Mr. Ford, as I believe Senator Welker has asked you, that the witness will decline to answer any and all questions of a financial nature throughout any part of the period from 1945 through 1951; is that correct?

Mr. FORD. That is correct, sir; and I again make the tender if you care to see this letter.

Mr. BAUMAN. Mr. Chairman, in that event, I see no point to con