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STATE, JUSTICE, COMMERCE, AND LABOR APPROPRIATION

BILL, 1932

MONDAY, JANUARY 26, 1931

UNITED STATES SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS,

Washington, D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10.30 o'clock a. m., in the committee room, Capitol, Hon. Wesley L. Jones (chairman), presiding

Present: Senators Jones, Hale, Keyes, Bingham, Oddie, Glenn, Harris, McKellar, Hayden, Moses, Swanson, and Morris.

STATE DEPARTMENT

STATEMENT OF WILBUR J. CARR, ASSISTANT SECRETARY

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order. First we will start with the State Department bill. Mr. Carr is here. Point out, Mr. Carr, what you would like to have, if any, change in this bill or anything added to it.

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Mr. CARR. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, there are only a few changes that we would like to see made. The first one is on page 2,

line 7. The ChairMAN. Page 2, line 7?

Mr. Carr. Page 2, line 7. We would suggest the striking out of $1,958,968 and the insertion of $1,970,848, which was the amount of the budget.

In line 8, to strike out $1,983,968, and insert $1,995,848.
The CHAIRMAN. That is the Budget?

Mr. Carr. Yes, Mr. Chairman. The effect of that would be to increase salaries for the departmental service by $11,880, of which $9,660 was estimated for the purpose of bringing up the under-average grades to the average on the 30 per cent basis recommended by the Bureau of the Budget.

Senator Moses. How about lapses in your department, Mr. Carr?

Mr. Carr. There are some lapses, and we have taken up a good deal of the promotion work this year by lapses, but we can not carry the lapses, can not carry enough lapses over into next year, I think, to do this sort of thing.

This is merely carrying out the proposal of the Bureau of the Budget. The department considers that $32,340 would take care of all of this underaverage grades that are contemplated this year.

The Bureau of the Budget, as you remember, only proposed doing one-third of it each year for a period of three years. Our end of that, departmental force, is $9,660.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand from our Secretary that there is $2,260 that is not accounted for in that way.

Mr. CARR. $2,220?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. He has figured it out.
Mr. CARR. No, I think not.
The CHAIRMAN. Salary, promotions, and so on, you understand?
Mr. Carr. No, I do not, Senator. There is $9,660.
The CHAIRMAN. You just intended to take care of that one thing.

Mr. Carr. Then, $600, making the total $10,260, which is the amount the House reduced our bill.

The CHAIRMAN. Your position is that you intend to take care of that one-third?

Mr. Carr. It is merely a question of whether the Congress wishes to do that this year or not.

We estimated that amount upon the recommendation of the Budget Bureau, and followed the Budget Bureau.

Senator Moses. Well, that is the step-ups.

Mr. Carr. That is the step-ups, and it is a question merely as to whether Congress wishes to do it. The House did not wish to do it. We did not know whether the Senate wished to or not, or will continue it or not. We hope that you will do it.

The CHAIRMAN. You ought to know, from the policy that we have followed heretofore as to every other appropriation bill.

We are going into that carefully and see that the amounts are correct.

Mr. CARR. Thank you, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item?

VISA OFFICE ADDITIONAL CLERK

Mr. CARR. Oh, there is one other item in that, sir, which is an additional clerk in the visa office at $1,620.

The CHAIRMAN. That may take care of that difference.
Mr. Carr. Yes; that may take care of that difference.
Senator Jones. Very well.

Mr. Carr. The House did not grant that request. This visa office has been carrying on a steadily increasing volume of work. Since 1924 the increase has grown from 127,000 pieces in 1924 to 210,000 pieces in 1930. Its personnel in 1924 was 42. A year later it volumtarily reduced that to 28, to try to reduce the expenses of the office as much as possible, and the number is now only 30, with which the very much larger amount of work is to be done. The overtime was 1,880 hours last year for officers and 1,258 for clerks. That is the overtime work. We think that the increase is very much justified. We hope that Congress will see its way to grant that additional clerk.

The CHAIRMAN. All right, the next item.

PASSPORT AGENCIES

Mr. Carr. The next item is on page 4, line 24, and we suggest striking out $79,030 and inserting $82,870.

The CHAIRMAN. You want the Budget estimate?

Mr. CARR. We want the Budget estimate.

The Chairman. Is that covered by anything except salaries, proposed employees?

Mr. Carr. That is covered by two clerks; one in the Seattle passport agency and the other in the Chicago passport agency.

In the Seattle agency we want a clerk at $1,620. The agent has no regular clerk at all, and if he is ill we have to send a clerk in there in order to get the work done. The work shows a 50 per cent increase in the last five years, and we think that there is a justification that is sufficient to recommend the clerk to assist the agent.

In Chicago there is an agent, assistant agent, and one clerk. The office work, so far as office work is concerned, has increased greatly, and we would like another clerk so that we may relieve the agent there to some extent to enable him to work up cases of passport frauds, of which there are a good many there, cases which should require his personal attention.

Senator MCKELLAR. What do you pay him?
Mr. Carr. The agent?
Senator MCKELLAR. The same as at Seattle?
Mr. CARR. $1,620.
The CHAIRMAN. The next item.

Mr. CARR. There is $600 more in that, sir; 30 per cent increase for passport agency

The CHAIRMAN. I think you need not go into that. Conditions are the same there.

Mr. Carr. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You will submit a statement for the record giving all of these 30 per cent underaverage requirements to be met?

Mr. Carr. Yes, sir.

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Mr. Carr. The next is on page 5, line 8. I would suggest that there be added the words, “together with the unexpended balance of the appropriation made for this purpose for the fiscal year 1931."

The reason for that is that Congress authorized a total appropriation of $125,000 on its own initiative for the work of publishing the papers of the Territories.

Senator McKELLAR. How much of an unexpended balance will there be?

Mr. CARR. There will be the major part of that $15,000 which was appropriated, because there has been a great deal of delay in getting the proper kind of assistants for this work, and if you do not carry this unexpended balance on, it means that there will be a reduction by so much of the appropriation as lapses, and it will go back into the Treasury unused. There will be just that much deduction from the authorized $125,000 that I would like to save, and I think the Congress probably would like to hold that.

The CHAIRMAN. In going over the hearings yesterday-I went over the hearings yesterday—I found that you asked that that be left out.

Mr. CARR. No; I think that the House requested that it be left out. I think that we recommended that it be continued.

The Bureau of the Budget, as you remember, only proposed doing one-third of it each year for a period of three years. Our end of that, departmental force, is $9,660.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand from our Secretary, that there is $2,260 that is not accounted for in that way.

Mr. CARR. $2,220?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes. He has figured it out.
Mr. CARR. No, I think not.
The CHAIRMAN. Salary, promotions, and so on, you understand?
Mr. Carr. No, I do not, Senator. There is $9,660.
The CHAIRMAN. You just intended to take care of that one thing.

Mr. Carr. Then, $600, making the total $10,260, which is the amount the House reduced our bill.

The CHAIRMAN. Your position is that you intend to take care of that one-third?

Mr. Carr. It is merely a question of whether the Congress wishes to do that this year or not. We estimated that amount upon the recommendation of the Budget Bureau, and followed the Budget Bureau.

Senator Moses. Well, that is the step-ups. Mr. Carr. That is the step-ups, and it is a question merely as to whether Congress wishes to do it. The House did not wish to do it. We did not know whether the Senate wished to or not, or will continue it or not. We hope that you will do it.

The CHAIRMAN. You ought to know, from the policy that we have followed heretofore as to every other appropriation bill.

We are going into that carefully and see that the amounts are correct. Mr. CARR. Thank

you,

sir. The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item?

VISA OFFICE ADDITIONAL CLERK

Mr. Carr. Oh, there is one other item in that, sir, which is an additional clerk in the visa office at $1,620.

The CHAIRMAN. That may take care of that difference.
Mr. Carr. Yes; that may take care of that difference.
Senator JONES. Very well.

Mr. Carr. The House did not grant that request. This visa office has been carrying on a steadily increasing volume of work. Since 1924 the increase has grown from 127,000 pieces in 1924 to 210,000 pieces in 1930. Its personnel in 1924 was 42. A year later it voluntarily reduced that to 28, to try to reduce the expenses of the office as much as possible, and the number is now only 30, with which the very much larger amount of work is to be done. The overtime was 1,880 hours last year for officers and 1,258 for clerks. That is the overtime work. We think that the increase is very much justified. We hope that Congress will see its way to grant that additional clerk.

The CHAIRMAN. All right, the next item.

PASSPORT AGENCIES

Mr. Carr. The next item is on page 4, line 24, and we suggest striking out $79,030 and inserting $82,870.

The Chairman. You want the Budget estimate?

Mr. Carr. We want the Budget estimate.

The ChairMAN. Is that covered by anything except salaries, proposed employees?

Mr. CARR. That is covered by two clerks; one in the Seattle passport agency and the other in the Chicago passport agency.

In the Seattle agency we want a clerk at $1,620. The agent has no regular clerk at all, and if he is ill we have to send a clerk in there in order to get the work done. The work shows a 50 per cent increase in the last five years, and we think that there is a justification that is sufficient to recommend the clerk to assist the agent.

In Chicago there is an agent, assistant agent, and one clerk. The office work, so far as office work is concerned, has increased greatly, and we would like another clerk so that we may relieve the agent there to some extent to enable him to work up cases of passport frauds, of which there are a good many there, cases which should require his personal attention.

Senator MCKELLAR. What do you pay him?
Mr. CARR. The agent?
Senator MCKELLAR. The same as at Seattle?
Mr. Carr. $1,620.
The CHAIRMAN. The next item.

Mr. Carr. There is $600 more in that, sir; 30 per cent increase for passport agency

The CHAIRMAN. I think you need not go into that. Conditions are the same there.

Mr. CARR. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You will submit a statement for the record giving all of these 30 per cent underaverage requirements to be met?

Mr. Carr. Yes, sir.

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Mr. Carr. The next is on page 5, line 8. I would suggest that there be added the words, “ together with the unexpended balance of the appropriation made for this purpose for the fiscal year 1931."

The reason for that is that Congress authorized a total appropriation of $125,000 on its own initiative for the work of publishing the papers of the Territories.

Senator MCKELLAR. How much of an unexpended balance will there be?

Mr. Carr. There will be the major part of that $15,000 which was appropriated, because there has been a great deal of delay in getting the proper kind of assistants for this work, and if you do not carry this unexpended balance on, it means that there will be a reduction by so much of the appropriation as lapses, and it will go back into the Treasury unused. There will be just that much deduction from the authorized $125,000 that I would like to save, and I think the Congress probably would like to hold that.

The CHAIRMAN. In going over the hearings yesterday—I went over the hearings yesterday-I found that you asked that that be left out.

Mr. Carr. No; I think that the House requested that it be left out. I think that we recommended that it be continued.

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