The Bureau of the Budget, as you remember, only proposed doing one-third of it each year for a period of three years. Our end of that, departmental force, is $9,660. The CHAIRMAN. I understand from our Secretary that there is $2,260 that is not accounted for in that way. Mr. CARR. $2,220? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. He has figured it out. The CHAIRMAN. Salary, promotions, and so on, you understand? The CHAIRMAN. You just intended to take care of that one thing. Mr. CARR. Then, $600, making the total $10,260, which is the amount the House reduced our bill. The CHAIRMAN. Your position is that you intend to take care of that one-third? the Mr. CARR. It is merely a question of whether the Congress wishes to do that this year or not. We estimated that amount upon recommendation of the Budget Bureau, and followed the Budget Bureau. Senator MOSES. Well, that is the step-ups. Mr. CARR. That is the step-ups, and it is a question merely as to whether Congress wishes to do it.' The House did not wish to do it. We did not know whether the Senate wished to or not, or will continue it or not. We hope that you will do it. The CHAIRMAN. You ought to know, from the policy that we have followed heretofore as to every other appropriation bill. We are going into that carefully and see that the amounts are correct. Mr. CARR. Thank you, sir. The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item? VISA OFFICE ADDITIONAL CLERK Mr. CARR. Oh, there is one other item in that, sir, which is an additional clerk in the visa office at $1,620. The CHAIRMAN. That may take care of that difference. Mr. CARR. The House did not grant that request. This visa office has been carrying on a steadily increasing volume of work. Since 1924 the increase has grown from 127,000 pieces in 1924 to 210,000 pieces in 1930. Its personnel in 1924 was 42. A year later it volumas much as possible, and the number is now only 30, with which the tarily reduced that to 28, to try to reduce the expenses of the office very much larger amount of work is to be done. The overtime was 1,880 hours last year for officers and 1,258 for clerks. That is the We think that the increase is very much justified. We hope that Congress will see its way to grant that additional clerk. overtime work. The CHAIRMAN. All right, the next item. PASSPORT AGENCIES I striking out $79,030 and inserting $82,870. Mr. CARR. The next item is on page 4, line 24, and we suggest The CHAIRMAN. You want the Budget estimate? Mr. CARR. We want the Budget estimate. The CHAIRMAN. Is that covered by anything except salaries, proposed employees? Mr. CARR. That is covered by two clerks; one in the Seattle passport agency and the other in the Chicago passport agency. In the Seattle agency we want a clerk at $1,620. The agent has no regular clerk at all, and if he is ill we have to send a clerk in there in order to get the work done. The work shows a 50 per cent increase in the last five years, and we think that there is a justification that is sufficient to recommend the clerk to assist the agent. In Chicago there is an agent, assistant agent, and one clerk. The office work, so far as office work is concerned, has increased greatly, and we would like another clerk so that we may relieve the agent there to some extent to enable him to work up cases of passport frauds, of which there are a good many there, cases which should require his personal attention. Senator MCKELLAR. What do you pay him? Mr. CARR. The agent? Senator MCKELLAR. The same as at Seattle? Mr. CARR. $1,620. The CHAIRMAN. The next item. Mr. CARR. There is $600 more in that, sir; 30 per cent increase for passport agency The CHAIRMAN. I think you need not go into that. Conditions are the same there. Mr. CARR. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You will submit a statement for the record giving all of these 30 per cent underaverage requirements to be met? Mr. CARR. Yes, sir. COLLECTING AND EDITING OFFICIAL PAPERS OF TERRITORIES OF THE Mr. CARR. The next is on page 5, line 8. I would suggest that there be added the words, "together with the unexpended balance of the appropriation made for this purpose for the fiscal year 1931." The reason for that is that Congress authorized a total appropriation of $125,000 on its own initiative for the work of publishing the papers of the Territories. Senator MCKELLAR. How much of an unexpended balance will there be? Mr. CARR. There will be the major part of that $15,000 which was appropriated, because there has been a great deal of delay in getting the proper kind of assistants for this work, and if you do not carry this unexpended balance on, it means that there will be a reduction by so much of the appropriation as lapses, and it will go back into the Treasury unused. There will be just that much deduction from the authorized $125,000 that I would like to save, and I think the Congress probably would like to hold that. The CHAIRMAN. In going over the hearings yesterday-I went over the hearings yesterday I found that you asked that that be left out. Mr. CARR. NO; I think that the House requested that it be left out. I think that we recommended that it be continued. H The Bureau of the Budget, as you remember, only proposed doing one-third of it each year for a period of three years. Our end of that, departmental force, is $9,660. The CHAIRMAN. I understand from our Secretary that there is $2,260 that is not accounted for in that way. Mr. CARR. $2,220? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. He has figured it out. Mr. CARR. No, I think not. The CHAIRMAN. Salary, promotions, and so on, you understand? Mr. CARR. No, I do not, Senator. There is $9,660. The CHAIRMAN. You just intended to take care of that one thing. Mr. CARR. Then, $600, making the total $10,260, which is the amount the House reduced our bill. The CHAIRMAN. Your position is that you intend to take care of that one-third? Mr. CARR. It is merely a question of whether the Congress wishes to do that this year or not. We estimated that amount upon the recommendation of the Budget Bureau, and followed the Budget Bureau. Senator MOSES. Well, that is the step-ups. Mr. CARR. That is the step-ups, and it is a question merely as to whether Congress wishes to do it. The House did not wish to do it. We did not know whether the Senate wished to or not, or will continue it or not. We hope that you will do it. The CHAIRMAN. You ought to know, from the policy that we have followed heretofore as to every other appropriation bill. We are going into that carefully and see that the amounts are correct. Mr. CARR. Thank you, sir. The CHAIRMAN. What is the next item? VISA OFFICE ADDITIONAL CLERK Mr. CARR. Oh, there is one other item in that, sir, which is an additional clerk in the visa office at $1,620. The CHAIRMAN. That may take care of that difference. Mr. CARR. The House did not grant that request. This visa office has been carrying on a steadily increasing volume of work. Since 1924 the increase has grown from 127,000 pieces in 1924 to 210,00 pieces in 1930. Its personnel in 1924 was 42. A year later it voluntarily reduced that to 28, to try to reduce the expenses of the office as much as possible, and the number is now only 30, with which the very much larger amount of work is to be done. The overtime was 1,880 hours last year for officers and 1,258 for clerks. That is the overtime work. We think that the increase is very much justified. We hope that Congress will see its way to grant that additional clerk. The CHAIRMAN. All right, the next item. PASSPORT AGENCIES Mr. CARR. The next item is on page 4, line 24, and we suggest striking out $79,030 and inserting $82,870. The CHAIRMAN. You want the Budget estimate? Mr. CARR. We want the Budget estimate. The CHAIRMAN. Is that covered by anything except salaries, proposed employees? Mr. CARR. That is covered by two clerks; one in the Seattle passport agency and the other in the Chicago passport agency. In the Seattle agency we want a clerk at $1,620. The agent has no regular clerk at all, and if he is ill we have to send a clerk in there in order to get the work done. The work shows a 50 per cent increase in the last five years, and we think that there is a justification that is sufficient to recommend the clerk to assist the agent. In Chicago there is an agent, assistant agent, and one clerk. The office work, so far as office work is concerned, has increased greatly, and we would like another clerk so that we may relieve the agent there to some extent to enable him to work up cases of passport frauds, of which there are a good many there, cases which should require his personal attention. Senator MCKELLAR. What do you pay him? Mr. CARR. The agent? Senator McKELLAR. The same as at Seattle? The CHAIRMAN. The next item. Mr. CARR. There is $600 more in that, sir; 30 per cent increase for passport agency The CHAIRMAN. I think you need not go into that. Conditions are the same there. Mr. CARR. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You will submit a statement for the record giving all of these 30 per cent underaverage requirements to be met? Mr. CARR. Yes, sir. COLLECTING AND EDITING OFFICIAL PAPERS OF TERRITORIES OF THE UNITED STATES Mr. CARR. The next is on page 5, line 8. I would suggest that there be added the words, "together with the unexpended balance of the appropriation made for this purpose for the fiscal year 1931." The reason for that is that Congress authorized a total appropriation of $125,000 on its own initiative for the work of publishing the papers of the Territories. Senator MCKELLAR. How much of an unexpended balance will there be? Mr. CARR. There will be the major part of that $15,000 which was appropriated, because there has been a great deal of delay in getting the proper kind of assistants for this work, and if you do not carry this unexpended balance on, it means that there will be a reduction by so much of the appropriation as lapses, and it will go back into the Treasury unused. There will be just that much deduction from the authorized $125,000 that I would like to save, and I think the Congress probably would like to hold that. The CHAIRMAN. In going over the hearings yesterday I went over the hearings yesterday-I found that you asked that that be left out. Mr. CARR. NO; I think that the House requested that it be left I think that we recommended that it be continued. out. The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Wynne said: Mr. Dennett was of the opinion that a competent historian who had made an intensive study of what may be termed the territorial aspects of our history could be obtained, as he told the committee last year, for $6,500, and that m was allocated. Mr. Dennett had one man in view, a man whose name is very well known in the field mentioned, but at the present time it is doubtful if he eat be secured to undertake this work for less than $7,500. The appropriation fr 1931 provided $6,500 for the salary of an editor. The man most desired for the work has recently accepted a salary of $7,500 in a university, and it is not knowL yet whether it will be possible to secure a leave of absence for him to undertake t..e work. If he is not available, the salary offered will be gauged according to the standing and ability of the man to whom the position is offered. Mr. CARR. We asked there for an increase of $1,000 in this appropriation in order to get that particular man. That is not the point I am urging now, because there has been so much time gone by that there will be an unexpended balance in this appropriation anyway, and we can not take any of that over into next year unless the unexpended balance is made available for next year. The only point I am urging about this language is you authorized an appropriation of $125,000 for this work. You have appropriated $15,000. If that $15,000 should not be expended, and should lapse into the Treasury, your authorization is cut down to $110,000, and I take it that you want to save that money, without reappropriating it later on. The CHAIRMAN. That is, if we want the work done? Mr. CARR. If you want the work done. And, that amount is lost, if that $15,000 goes back into the Treasury. Senator HAYDEN. Mr. Carr, in what order are you taking up that work? Senator BINGHAM. It should be alphabetical? Senator HAYDEN. I understood that the work was to begin with the Northwest Territory, and be carried on down, which would mean. if in State Department takes them up in chronological order, that it would be a longer time before you reach the papers of the Territory of Arizona, which was the last State admitted into the Union. Mr. CARR. I can not tell you that, sir. Senator HAYDEN. I made this inquiry, because there is no place that I can find the reports of the Arizona Territorial Governors for a period of about 10 years. We are told that these reports are in the files, that they are never printed, and until all the territorial papers are printed, we can not have, that information. Mr. CARR. Exactly so. Senator HAYDEN. It would seem to be entirely proper to proceed in chronological order; that is, to begin with the records of the first Territory. I am not complaining about that but the work ought to be carried on without delay and the State Department ought to have all of the money that its needs for that purpose. |