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Alexander, Donald C., Esq., William Chadwick, Esq., and Roderick M.
Hills, Esq--

THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 1978

Cummings, Frank, chairman, Committee on Pension, Welfare, and Related
Plans, section of labor relations law, American Bar Association; Preston
C. Bassett, vice president, and Stephen G. Kellison, executive director,
American Academy of Actuaries; J. William Cloer, president, American
Society of Pension Actuaries; Andrew J. Capelli, member, Employee
Benefit plans and ERISA Committee, accompanied by Joseph E. Elm-
linger, member, American Institute of Certified Public Accountants----
Gibb, William T., chief counsel, Federal Taxes and Pensions, American
Council of Life Insurance, accompanied by Paul J. Mason, staff member;
Matthew P. Fink, general counsel, Investment Company Institute; and
Bernard F. Curry, vice president-elect trust division, American Bankers
Association, a panel..

Fink, Matthew J., general counsel, Investment Company Institute, accom-
panied by Ramsay D. Potts, outside counsel to the Institute--.
Curry, Bernard F., chairman, employees trusts committee, American Bank-
ers Association, accompanied by Robert L. Bevan, associate Federal leg-
islative counsel__.

Cowsert, Charles C., executive secretary, Board of Annuities and Relief of
the Presbyterian Church of the United States, Atlanta, Ga.; Gary S.
Nash, general counsel, Annuity Board of the Southern Baptist Conven-
tion, Church Alliance for Clarification of ERISA___.
Bret, William N., Jr., president-elect, Association of Private Pension and
Welfare Plans, Inc--

Walner, Lawrence, attorney, Chicago, Ill---

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STATEMENTS

Agsalud, Joshua C., director, Department of Labor and Industrial Relations, State of Hawaii, prepared statement__.

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Alexander, Donald C., Esq., William Chadwick, Esq., and Roderick M.
Hills, Esq-----

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Prepared statement__

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571

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898

562

751

American Academy of Actuaries, Preston C. Bassett, vice president, Stephen
G. Kellison, executive director, prepared statement (with attachments) -
American Bankers Association, prepared statement--.

Additional comments_

American Bar Association, Frank Cummings, chairman, Committee on Pension Welfare and Related Plans, on behalf of, prepared statement--American Council of Life Insurance and the Health Insurance Association of America, William T. Gibb, chief counsel, prepared statement----‒‒‒‒ American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, Bert Seidman, director, Department of Social Security (with attachments)

American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, Andrew J. Capelli, member, prepared statement (with attachments).

American Society of Pension Actuaries, J. William Cloer, president, pre-
pared statement__.

Association of Private Pension and Welfare Plans, Inc., William N. Bret,
Jr., president-elect, prepared statement_-

Auerbach, Boris, secretary, Federated Department Stores, on behalf of
the Business Roundtable, accompanied by Virgil B. Day of Vedder,
Price, Kaufman, Kammholz and Day; and Jerry L. Oppenheimer of
Mayer, Brown and Platt, Washington, D.C.--.
Prepared statement__

Bartlett, Hon. Dewey F., a U.S. Senator from the State of Oklahoma....
Prepared statement_.

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712

695

996

437

441

275

285

Bentsen, Hon. Lloyd, a U.S. Senator from the State of Texas, opening statement

98

Bret, William N., Jr., president-elect, Association of Private Pension and
Welfare Plans, Inc---

992

Prepared statement_

996

Brown, Hon. Robert J., Under Secretary of Labor, Department of Labor; accompanied by Frank Burkhardt, Assistant Secretary for Labor Management Relations; Ian D. Lanoff. Administrator, Pension and Welfare Benefit Programs; and Monica Gallagher, Associate Solicitor of Labor__

133

Business Roundtable, Boris Auerbach, secretary, Federated Department Page Stores, on behalf of, prepared statement--

Chadwick, William J., Esq., Paul, Hastings, Janofsky and Walker, prepared statement

Church Alliance for Clarification of ERISA, prepared statement (with attachments)

Cowsert, Charles C., executive secretary, Board of Annuities and Relief of the Presbyterian Church of the United States, Atlanta, Ga.; Gary S. Nash, general counsel, Annuity Board of the Southern Baptist Convention, Church Alliance for Clarification of ERISA_

Prepared statement_-_-_

Cummings, Frank, chairman, Committee on Pension, Welfare and Related
Plans, section of labor relations law, American Bar Association; Preston
C. Bassett, vice president, and Stephen G. Kellison, executive director,
American Academy of Actuaries; J. William Cloer, president, American
Society of Pension Actuaries; Andrew J. Capelli, member, Employee
Benefit Plans and ERISA Committee, accompanied by Joseph E. Elm-
linger, member, American Institute of Certified Public Accountants----
Prepared statement----

Curry, Bernard F., chairman, employees trusts committee, American
Bankers Association, accompanied by Robert L. Bevan, associate Federal
legislative counsel..

441

545

920

915

920

558

562

861

Prepared statement__.

864

Diamond, A. Van Horn, executive secretary-treasurer, Hawaii State Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO, prepared statement (with enclosures). ERISA Industry Committee (ERIC), prepared statement--.

239

451

Ferguson, Karen W., director, Pension Rights Center, accompanied by Jay
W. Tower, staff attorney....

386

Prepared statement_-_.

393

Fink, Matthew F., general counsel, Investment Company Institute, accompanied by Ramsay D. Potts, outside counsel to the institute..

798

Prepared statement....

801

806

294

Finnell, John, retiree___

Fox, Douglas G., attorney, law firm in Tulsa, Okla., prepared statement----
Georgine, Robert, chairman, National Coordinating Committee for Multi-
employer Plans___

Gibb, William T., chief counsel, Federal taxes and pensions, American
Council of Life Insurance, accompanied by Paul J. Mason, staff member;
Matthew P. Fink, general counsel, Investment Company Institute; and
Bernard F. Curry, vice president-elect, trust division, American Bankers
Association, a panel__.

Prepared statement..

Gordon, Michael S., Mittleman & Gordon, prepared statement_-_
Halperin, Daniel I., Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
(tax legislation), Department of the Treasury, accompanied by Fred
Ochs, director of the Employee Plans Division of IRS; and Ira Cohen,
director, Actuarial Division__.

Prepared statement____.

Hills, Roderick M., Latham, Watkins & Hills, prepared statement--
Inouye, Hon. Daniel K., a U.S. Senator from the State of Hawaii, accom-
panied by Dr. Joshua Agsalud, director, Department of Labor and Indus-
trial Relations; Ms. Patricia Putnam, associate dean, School of Medicine,
University of Hawaii; Mario Ramil, attorney general's office, State of
Hawaii; Orlando Watanabe, director, disability compensation division,
Department of Labor, State of Hawaii; and Van Horn Diamond, execu-
tive secretary/treasurer, Hawaii State Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO__
Prepared statement____

Damaso, president, prepared statement_

International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's Union, Local 142, Carl Investment Company Institute, Matthew P. Fink, general counsel, prepared statement (with attachments) –

Additional comments..

Javits, Hon. Jacob K., a U.S. Senator from the State of New York__
McKevitt. James D. "Mike", Washington counsel, NFIB, accompanied by
Edward H. Pendergast and Robert Simenza, certified public accountants
from Boston, representing Small Business of New England---.
Prepared statement_-_.

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236

301

527

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194

238

801

908

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480

487

National Federation of Independent Business, James D. "Mike" McKevitt, Page Washington counsel, on behalf of, prepared statement---.

487

Pension Rights Center, Karen W. Ferguson, director, and Jay W. Tower, staff attorney, joint prepared statement__

393

Securities and Exchange Commission, Harold M. Williams, chairman, prepared statement_-.

324

Seidman, Bert, director, Department of Social Security, accompanied by
Kenneth A. Meiklejohn, legislative representative, AFL-CIO; and Law-
rence T. Smedley, associate director, Department of Social Security,
AFL-CIO

Prepared statement____

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359

Smaller Business Association of New England, Edward H. Pendergast, certified public accountant, Hurdman and Cranstoun, C.P.A.S., on behalf of, prepared statement-

498

Walner, Lawrence, attorney, Chicago, Ill--.

1008

Prepared statement_.

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Williams, Hon. Harold M., Chairman, Securities and Exchange Commission,
accompanied by Harvey L. Pitt, general counsel__.
Prepared statement...

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Articles, publications, etc. :

Analysis of pension simplification bills___

"Employee-Owned Companies: Is the Difference Measurable?", by Michael Conte and Arnold S. Tannenbaum, from Monthly Labor Review, July 1978___

Floor statements of Senators Williams and Javits on the introduction of S. 3017, from the Congressional Record, Senate-May 1, 1978___ "Hawaii Health Plan Could Be a Guide," from the Honolulu StarBulletin, Thursday, August 3, 1978__

"Insuring National Health," from the Honolulu Advertiser, Tuesday, August 8, 1978___

"Political Planning of a State Health Insurance Program," by Senator Donald D. H. Ching, majority leader, Hawaii State Senate_-_Communications to:

Inouye, Hon. Daniel K., a U.S. Senator from the State of Hawaii, from Harrison A. Williams, Jr., Chairman, Committee on Human Resources, August 2, 1978__

Williams, Hon. Harrison A. Jr., Chairman, Subcommittee on Labor,
from:

Gibb, William T., chief counsel, Federal taxes and pensions, Amer-
ican Council of Life Insurance, Chicago, Ill., September 11, 1978-
Inouye, Hon. Daniel K., a U.S. Senator from the State of Hawaii,
August 4, 1978____

Marshall, Hon. Ray, Secretary, Department of Labor, Septem-
ber 8, 1978 (with enclosure)

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109

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149

Matsunaga, Hon. Spark M., a U.S. Senator from the State of
Hawaii, July 31, 1978_.

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August 28, 1978__

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Seidman, Bert, director, Department of Social Security, AFL-
CIO, August 17, 1978__

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Questions and answers:

Senator Javits' questions for Joshua C. Agsalud, director, Department
of Labor and Industrial Relations, with responses___
Senator Matsunaga's questions for Mr. Watanabe, Mrs. Putnam, and
Mr. Ramil with responses_

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APPENDIX

American Paper Institute, prepared statement.

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American Telephone & Telegraph Co., H. Weston Clarke, Jr., vice president, human resources, prepared statement_.

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American Textile Manufacturers Institute, Inc., W. Ray Shockley, executive vice president, prepared statement-

1079

Arthur Young & Co., New York, N.Y., prepared statement (with attach- Page ments)

A. S. Hansen, Inc., William N. Bret, chairman of the board, prepared
statement

Asling, John L., union member, Arlington, Va., prepared statement_-_.
Associated General Contractors of America, Inc., prepared statement__
Association for Advanced Life Underwriting, prepared statement_
Association of Private Pension and Welfare Plans, Inc., Carlton R.
Sickles, chairman, ERISA Amendments Committee, prepared statement
(with attachments)

Chamber of Commerce of the United States, Hilton Davis, vice president,
legislative action, prepared statement (with attachment) __.
Charles P. Moore and Associates, consulting actuaries, prepared state-
ment

Church, Hon. Frank, a U.S. Senator from the State of Idaho, prepared statement

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Committee for ERISA Working Action, Ewa T. M. Budek-Dielski, chairman, prepared statement----

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DeConcini, Hon. Dennis, a U.S. Senator from the State of Arizona, communication to Senator Harrison A. Williams, Jr., Chairman, Senate Committee on Human Resources, August 31, 1978 (with enclosure) ____ 1034 Driesen, George B., law firm of Van Arkel, Kaiser, Gressman, Rosenberg, and Driesen, Washington, D.C., prepared statement_-_.

Ellingsen, Rudolph J., veteran of World War I, San Diego, Calif., prepared statement (with enclosure)

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Faber, Peter L., attorney at law, Harter, Secrest and Emery, Rochester,
N.Y., prepared statement----

1172

Financial Accounting Standards Board, Donald J. Kirk, chairman of the board, prepared statement (with attachment)

1189

Financial Executives Institute, Charles C. Hornbostel, president, prepared statement

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General American Life Insurance, Milton F. Svetanics, assistant general counsel, prepared statement__.

1203

International Business Machines Corp., H. P. Kneen, Jr., director of em-
ployee benefits, prepared statement (with enclosure).
International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's Union, prepared state-
ment

International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Im-
plement Workers of America, UAW, prepared statement (with en-
closure)

IPCO, Inc., Ralph N. George, Jr., president, prepared statement..
Kaiser Aluminum and Chemical Corp., Thomas K. Singer, vice president
and general manager, Washington operations, prepared statement_
Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner, and Smith, Inc., prepared statement----
National Association of Manufacturers, prepared statement--.
National Association of Pension Consultants and Administrators, Inc.,
law offices of Henkel and Lamon, P. C., representing the, prepared
statement

National Senior Citizens Law Center, Bruce K. Miller and Neal S. Dudovits,
staff attorneys, prepared statement_.

National Society of Professional Engineers, and the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Otto A. Tennant, P.E., chairman, prepared statement

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New England Life, Jonathan R. Alder, C.L.U. executive vice president, marketing, prepared statement.

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Packwood, Hon. Bob, a U.S. Senator from the State of Oregon, communication to Mike Stern, staff director, Senate Finance Committee, August 23, 1978 (with enclosure) --‒‒‒‒.

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Price Waterhouse and Co., prepared statement----
Printing Industries of America, Inc., prepared statement....
Prudential Insurance Co. of American, Equitable Life Assurance Society
of the United States, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co., Con-
necticut General Life Insurance Co., Aetna Life and Casualty Co., and
Mutual Life Insurance Co. of New York, joint prepared statement----.
Seiberling, Hon. John F., a Representative in Congress from the State of
Ohio, prepared statement (with attachment) –

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