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Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself.

Mr. KENNEDY. You set up gambling establishments in the Youngstown area, and you received income from those. Do you also receive income from these machines, the jukebox and other coin-operated machines in the Youngstown area !

Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself, on the ground of the fifth amendment.

Mr. KAPLAN. I only want to point out that along with some of the relationships we have established on Mr. Cammarata with the Detroit group, that one of the reasons he is so close to Mr. Angelo Meli, who has frequently been alleged to be in control of the vending machine and jukebox situation in the Detroit and surrounding areas through his nephew, William Bufalino, stems from the fact that Frank Cammarata and Mr. Meli are very close from their early infancy. They were born in the same town in Sicily. This has been a longstanding affiliation.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. James Hoffa also gets involved in this, does he not, Mr. Kaplan? That is, as far as his relationship with Mr. Cammarata is concerned !

Mr. KAPLAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENNEDY. Do you know Mr. Hoffa, Mr. Cammarata ?
Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer.
Mr. KENNEDY. On what ground?

Mr. CAMMARATA. On the ground it might incriminate myself under the fifth amendment.

Mr. KENNEDY. According to testimony, first by Mr. Robert Scott before the committee, and then confirmed by Mr. Hoffa himself on page 978, he interceded or attempted to intercede with the Governor of Michigan to obtain a pardon for you after you went back to Michigan State Penitentiary in 1953.

Is that correct? Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself under the fifth amendment.

Mr. KENNEDY. Could you tell us why Mr. Hoffa would intercede on your behalf up there? Would you tell us that?

Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. Hoffa stated before this committee that he asked Mr. Scott, who was then secretary of the Michigan Federation of Labor, to go see the Governor and try to obtain a pardon for you.

Could you tell us why he would do that in view of your background?

Mr. CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself under the fifth amendment.

Mr. KENNEDY. You have been in touch, Mr. Cammarata, with most of the most notorious gangsters in the United States, in Miami, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and New York, have you not!

Mr.' CAMMARATA. I refuse to answer on the ground it might incriminate myself under the fifth amendment.

Mr. KENNEDY. Do you have some of his other associates listed, Mr. Kaplan?

Ńr. KAPLAN. We run a whole gamut of the notorious hoodlums in the areas, the Bommaritos, the Licavolis, the Faharh gang, which

has alleged control of gambling, vice, and illicit operations in Mahoning County.

Mr. KENNEDY. That is Mike Faharh?

Mr. KAPLAN. Yes. There are frequent allegations that Mr. Cammarata's role is to represent the more ranking echelon which is headquartered in Detroit and to represent their interests down there in the Faharh gang in their control and operation of these various activities.

Mr. Cammarata has also been associated with a man called "Fats" Aiello, who went into the cigarette vending business just prior to this time, and was also able to do an extensive job of putting out his cigarette vending machines notwithstanding the difficulty a more reputable operator would have had against the same combination of local people, and this because of his obvious rank and connection.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there anything further?

Mr. KAPLAN. I might also point out that we interviewed Mr. Cammarata in prison in Jackson, and at that time he did speak with one of our investigators and denied even knowing any of these people. He did not refuse to talk to us at that time. He merely said he never met these people and didn't know anything about them, and didn't know what the whole thing was about.

Mr. KENNEDY. But we have been able to confirm that these facts are correct, and we will have the testimony on them?

Mr. KAPLAN. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair has before him the original subpena served on the witness, Mr. Cammarata. It was served on the 24th day of November 1958. I have previously ordered that the subpena be printed in the record.

Let the Chair ascertain something. As I understand, this witness is supposed to be deported sometime next week?

Mr. KENNEDY. He is leaving voluntarily with the understanding that if he didn't leave voluntarily, the immigration authorities would be taking action against him to deport him. So he has agreed to leave the country:

He was given the date to leave by December 1, but the immigration authorities allowed him to extend his stay in this country in order to make his appearance before the committee. We didn't want to request a further stay to have him appear in January when we expect to go

into this matter in more detail. He is going to be leaving the country the beginning of next week.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will place the witness under recognizance to reappear before this committee not later than January 7, 1959, conditioned by the fact that if you are out of the country by that time, if you have deported yourself, you will not have to appear here at that time in response to this direction and order of the committee.

If you are not out of the country by, January 7, 1959, you are ordered and directed to report back to this committee in room 101 of the Senate Office Building, of this building, at 10 a.m. on that date.

You will remain under the jurisdiction of the committee subject to these orders until such time as you deport yourself from this country, or until that date, whichever is earlier. If you have not left the country by that time, you will report back to this committee on that date.

Do you understand it?
Mr. CAMMARATA. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you agree!
Mr. CAMMARATA. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. All right. Stand aside.
Mr. CAMMARATA. That is all? That is all ?
The CHAIRMAN. You may stand aside.
Mr. CAMMARATA. Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Call the next witness.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is it.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will stand in recess, subject to the call of the Chair.

(Members of the select committee present at time of recess: The chairman and Senator Kennedy.

(Whereupon, at 10:55 a.m. the select committee recessed to reconvene at the call of the Chair.)

INVESTIGATION OF IMPROPER ACTIVITIES IN THE

LABOR OR MANAGEMENT FIELD

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 1958

U.S. SENATE,
SELECT COMMITTEE ON IMPROPER ACTIVITIES,
IN THE LABOR OR MANAGEMENT FIELD,

Washington, D.O. The select committee met at 10:30 a.m., pursuant to Senate Resolution 221, agreed to January 29, 1958, in the caucus room, Senate Office Building, Senator John L. McClellan (chairman of the select committee) presiding.

Present: Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat, Arkansas; Senator Barry Goldwater, Republican, Arizona.

Also present: Robert F. Kennedy, chief counsel; Jerome S. Adlerman, assistant chief counsel; Arthur G. Kaplan, assistant counsel; Ruth Y. Watts, chief clerk.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in order.

(Members of the select committee present at the convening of the session were Senators McClellan and Goldwater.)

The CHAIRMAN. We resume hearings this morning in connection with the subject matter that we had under consideration on the last day of our previous hearings.

Call the first witness.

Mr. KENNEDY. I might just say before we call the first witness that as you know, we have been extremely interested in the democratic processes and procedures within certain unions, and we went into this situation rather extensively in the hearings that we had on the Teamsters Union, and the situation regarding St. Louis, Pontiac, Mich., and some other areas in Missouri, as well as the situation in New York regarding the elections there.

So this morning will be a hearing involving not only a jukebox local, but a situation involving an election, or democratic processes and procedures within the local of the Teamsters Union in Youngstown, Ohio.

The first witness—I would like to call two witnesses, Mr. Carelly and Mr. Sammartino.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you be sworn, please?

Do you and each of you solemnly swear that the evidence you shall give before this Senate select committee shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. CARELLY. I do.
Mr. SAMMARTINO. I do.

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