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Mr. KENNEDY. And you serve about 10 operators ?
Mr. KOLİBASH. About 10 operators.
Mr. KENNEDY. And service approximately 120 machines?
Mr. KOLIBASH. About 120 or 130 machines.
Mr. KENNEDY. You are paid at the rate of $2 per machine?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. And you pay your own expenses, except the cost of parts?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is $2 per machine per week; is that right?
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. So that is some $240 for the two of you?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, we also answer spot calls where we make a few bucks more every week.

Mr. KENNEDY. How many hours do you work?
Mr. KOLIBASH. I would say the average is between 10 and 12 hours

a day.

Mr. KENNEDY. How many days a week?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Six days a week.
Mr. KENNEDY. Do you have any vacations?

Mr. KOLIBASH. No. I have had one in the last year for the first time in 7 years.

Mr. KENNEDY. The first time in 7 years?
Mr. KOLIBASH, Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is, since you have been working at this?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. Otherwise you have worked a 6-day week?
Mr. KOLIBASH. A 6-day week.
Mr. KENNEDY. At least 10 hours a day?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Ten hours a day.

Mr. KENNEDY. In view of that, you were anxious to have a union; is that right?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is true.

Mr. KENNEDY. And to try to improve the wages, hours, and conditions of the employees?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And as far as the freelance mechanics, they were the ones that needed the help and assistance; is that right?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. The self-employed people, of course, would take care of themselves, but the freelance mechanics are the ones that have to work the hours and conditions that you do?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. You have to be available all the time; is that right?
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. You have been in this game machine field for about 23 years?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Prior to 1951 you worked for a number of different operators ? Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. In June 1951, you and a group of self-employed mechanics joined Cagiano's local 465 ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. For the reason that you have described, that you wanted to improve the working conditions ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And you were subsequently elected recording secretary of local 465 ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Have few members attended the meetings!
Mr. KOLIBASH. Very few.

Mr. KENNEDY. And ordinarily it was just the union officers that were present?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Very seldom did any members actually come! There were between 150 and 200 members in the union?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. And 15 to 20 were self-employed, freelance mechanics?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And the remaining were actually operators; is that right? Mr. KOLIBASH. They were either operators or employed mechanics.

Mr. KENNEDY. But the union was dominated by operators themselves?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right. That is, in numbers.

Mr. KENNEDY. What benefit did the operators receive from the union

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, their main benefits was the picket.
Mr. KENNEDY. The picket?
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. The union would provide the picket for them?
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. You would agree with the previous witness when you have an association that you have to have a picket?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is true.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is, to have it successful?
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. So local 465 would provide the picket for the member of the association ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. The owner-operators in the union were required to pay not only the dues but they were required to pay the label fees?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. And the label fees were what financed the picket?
Mr. KOLIBASH. I didn't hear you.
Mr. KENNEDY. The label fees were what financed the picket!
Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. I have the minute book here of local 465, which states that

The new contract between our local 465 and the association read, discussed and accepted by our membership. Motion made to accept new contract and ratify same.

That is November 3, 1954.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you keep the minutes of that meeting?
Mr. KOLIBASH. I kept the minutes.

The CHAIRMAN. I present to you what purports to be the original minute book of your local. I will ask you to examine it at page 20 and 21, and state if those are the original minutes of your meeting, and if you recorded those minutes.

(The document was handed to the witness.) Àr. KOLIBASH. These are the original minutes and I recorded them.

Mr. KENNEDY. The only point there is that the new contract of November 3, 1954, between 465 and the association was read at that time and agreed to.

Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. I notice on page 21, some 2 weeks later, a special meeting was called on November 17, 1954, and the meeting was called by you as recording secretary.

The reason was to correct or alleviate some or all of the poor working conditions of the servicemen and mechanics “in our industry.” Then you proceed to enumerate them.

No. 1, the workday is too long, 10, 12, or 14 hours a day.
No. 2, the workweek is too long, usually 7 days per week.

No. 3, the standard rate of service charged per week per game is too low. There is too much chiseling going on.

No. 4, taking abuse from location owners.
No. 5, being expected to make collection, delivery, prices, cleaning machines.
No. 6, repairing brandnew equipment with no compensation from sellers.
No. 7, repairing newly converted equipment with no compensation.
No. 9, get paid vacations, paid holidays.
No. 10, being allowed to get sick with no fear of losing work.

You have a total of 16 complaints. Why hadn't that been all included in the contract that you had agreed to a week before!

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, after that contract was read, I realized that that contract wasn't meant for my group.

Mr. KENNEDY. It didn't help you people at all ? Mr. KOLIBASH. No, that only benefited the employed mechanics. Mr. KENNEDY. Who were the employers? Mr. KOLIBASH. The hourly paid people. Mr. KENNEDY. The self-employed people? Mr. KOLIBASH. No. The hourly paid people. Mr. KENNEDY. The people who were hourly and self-employed ? Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, I am self-employed. Mr. KENNEDY. I mean the owner-operators? Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right. They got the benefit of that contract. The CHAIRMAN. Did you have this meeting in which you listed all of these grievances or matters that you thought should receive attention?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Then I called this meeting.

The CHAIRMAN. What happened! Did you get any of these things corrected?

Mr. KOLIBASH. None of them.

The CHAIRMAN. As far as you know, do they still persist in the industry!

Mr. KOLIBASH. They still exist.
The CHAIRMAN. Sir?
Mr. KOLIBASH. They still exist.
The CHAIRMAN. None of them have been corrected ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. None of them.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you found any of these labor organizations in this particular field, in this amusement and vending music field, that look out after the interest of the men who actually do the work?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, to date they haven't helped me in 23 years.

The CHAIRMAN. In your 23 years of experience, you would say they haven't helped you any up to now?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Up to now; no.
The CHAIRMAN. You have to pay dues, do you?

Mr. KOLIBASH. At one time I had dues, and as an officer they finally gave me a break and said I wouldn't have to pay them any more.

The CHAIRMAN. For a long time you paid dues?
Mr. KOLIBASH. I paid dues.
The CHAIRMAN. How long since you have paid dues ?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, I don't belong to the union right now.
The CHAIRMAN. You don't belong to it?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No.
The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Senator CHURCH. In other words, you not only have listed 16 different grievances, but you would be in disagreement with the last witness in that the employees involved in this industry are, in fact, in need of a union that would represent their interest, and the wages and working conditions are in need of real improvement?

Mr. KOLIBASH. They certainly are. Senator CHURCH. But in 23 years of your experience, the unions with which you have had any dealings haven't furnished any real representation for these employees at all ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. No, they haven't.

Senator CHURCH. Would it be too much to say that they are instrumentalities of the association members operating in the interest of the association and just masquerading as legitimate unions?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, I think here and there attempts have been made to try to improve it, but every time

Senator CHURCH. But these attempts have not been successful?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Every time the attempts are made, they drop.

Mr. KENNEDY. I think we differentiate between the employees of the operators. The contract would cover the employees of the operators, would it not?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And I believe maybe the previous witness had that in mind when he said they don't need a union.

Mr. KOLIBASH. They are well paid.
Mr. KENNEDY. They are well paid anyway?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right. They are on a 5-day week. They get their vacations. If they are sick, I assume they still get paid.

Mr. KENNEDY. So the contract would appear to help or assist them, but they get paid far more than the contract provides anyway?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes. They are paid over the scale.

Mr. KENNEDY. I believe that is what they had in mind, that the only group that is not covered or the group that needs the union is the freelance mechanics and they are the only ones that are not covered.

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. They are the ones that receive no benefit. Still, at this present time, you work some 60 hours a week at least, from 60 to 70 hours a week?

Mr. KOLIBASH. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. You were financial secretary of local 433?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. No; recording secretary of local 433. You were recording secretary?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Recording secretary of 465.
Mr. KENNEDY. That was after 465 merged with 433; is that right?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then after that happened, you became financial secretary of 433 ?

Mr. KOLIBASH. I was appointed to the position.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever examine the books?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No, I didn't.
Mr. KENNEDY. Who was in charge of all the books and records?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, the books were in the office, out in Flushing, and working in Manhattan and the Bronx, I very, very seldom get out there, so I never saw any books.

Mr. KENNEDY. Were you supposed to sign the checks?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you sign all the checks?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. In blank?
Mr. KOLIBASH. In blank.
Mr. KENNEDY. Do you know what happened to the money?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, my signature and James Caggiano's signature were required on each check.

Mr. KENNEDY. Do you know what happened after you signed the checks in blank?

Mr. KOLIBASH. I assumed all the checks were meant for union expenses, salaries.

Mr. KENNEDY. Do you know?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No, I don't.
Mr. KENNEDY. You never knew how the money was being used ?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No.
Mr. KENNEDY. Who appointed you treasurer of the union?
Mr. KOLIBASH. James Caggiano.
Mr. KENNEDY. How much money did you receive as pay?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No pay.
Mr. KENNEDY. Nothing?
Mr. KOLIBASH. Nothing.

Mr. KENNEDY. You did not know that Mr. Cohen was receiving
weekly payments after he severed his connection with local 433?
Mr. KOLIBASH. No; I didn't know that.
Mr. KENNEDY. You left the union. When did you leave the union?

Mr. KOLIBASH. Well, I assumed our union had been knocked out of the box, but after listening to Jimmy, I understand the union is still in existence, but I am not an active member of it.

Mr. KENNEDY. Are you going back into it?

Mr. KOLIBASH. No. I belong to an association now of self-employed servicemen.

36751-59-pt. 46--18

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