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Mr. MORRIS. No. Mr. KENNEDY. Then you went to work in 1948 for George Briggs; after Mr. Lansky disposed of his interest, is that right?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. He is a jukebox operator in Brooklyn?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. At that time, the union required 1 union man for every 50 machines; is that right?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. The owner was the union man? Mr. MORRIS. Yes, he was listed as one. Mr. KENNEDY. Were you a member of the union? Mr. MORRIS. No. Mr. KENNEDY. Just the owner and then he had one other employee? Mr. MORRIS. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. They were in the union and you were not? Mr. MORRIS. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. Why weren't you in the union? Mr. MORRIS. He felt he would rather pay for himself, and I was with him almost 3 years and all this time he paid for himself and the one other employee.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then in 1951 you went to work for another jukebox
operator by the name of Kramer?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. He had some 70 jukeboxes and 5 games!
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. Kramer had you do all the work; is that right?
You were the sole employee?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. His machines also had union labels?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENNEDY. Were you a member of the union?
Mr. MORRIS. No.
Mr. KENNEDY. And you were the only employee?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then in November of 1951 you went to work for the Union Automatic Music Co.?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. And they had some 300 union label jukeboxes ?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Were you ever asked to join the union? Did you become a member of the union then?

Mr. MORRIS. No.

Mr. KENNEDY. You did not. You were asked to join the union in 1952 by the head of local 1690, Mr. Schlang?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. And you didn't join?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Yet all of his machines had union labels?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then in 1952 you obtained some of your own machines while working as a freelance mechanic?

Mr. MORRIS. No. I was working for Union Automatic and I placed some machines.

Mr. KENNEDY. While you were working for a company called the Union Automatic Music Co., which we just mentioned, you also set up your own route; is that right? Mr. Morris. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. Afterward, in 1953, you joined the association

Mr. MORRIS. During that time, I also bought a route, during that time, and then I left Union Automatic and I had my own machines to take care of. Then I joined the association.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then you bought 16 locations from a man by the name of

Mr. MORRIS. That is the machines I bought.

Mr. KENNEDY. First you had 10 machines, and then you had 16 more locations which you bought from a man by the name of Vito Pepi?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Vito Pepi was in the union?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. After he sold these locations to you, what arrangements did you make ?

Mr. MORRIS. I paid his dues in the union.
Mr. KENNEDY. In his name?
Mr. MORRIS. In his name.
Mr. KENNEDY. After he had sold it to you?
Mr. MORRIS That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. And you received the labels?

Mr. MORRIS. I received the labels, and I put the labels on the machines.

Mr. KENNEDY. This was a route that you had purchased and you just continued to pay in his name the dues to the union?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. The union and union officials were not very interested in what was going on, obviously.

Mr. MORRIS. No.

Senator CHURCH. In other words, the whole time that you were an employee in this business, for one operator or another, you never were a member of the union although the machines on which you worked all bore union labels?

Mr. MORRIS. That is correct.

Senator CHURCH. Once you became an operator and the owner of some machines, then you commenced paying dues into the union for the first time?

Mr. MORRIS. That is correct.

Mr. KENNEDY. During this period of time, there were a number of different unions that were active in this field, or was this mostly 1690!

Mr. MORRIS. No, there were some prior unions to it. Mike Calland's union, 786, and then another one, and then 1690.

Mr. KENNEDY. So there were three or four different unions?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And the Association of Music Operators of New York?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then in May 1953 you finally broke down and joined local 1690; is that right?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And you paid $27 initiation fees and $5 monthly dues, is that right, 40 or 45 cents on each machine ?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. At that time did you tell the union that you owned this other route that had belonged to Mr. Pepi and that you had been paying in his name?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right. That is when we transferred them

over.

Mr. KENNEDY. What did the union officials say about that?

Mr. Morris. They suggested that I go up and straighten myself out with the association.

Mr. KENNEDY. They said you shouldn't be doing that without the association's permission?

Mr. MORRIS. Not with permission, but just to straighten myself out with them and join the association.

Mr. KENNEDY. Was he upset that you had been paying these dues in Pepi's name and hadn't made any arrangements ?

Mr. MORRIS. No. They had known I was doing that.
Mr. KENNEDY. He just sent you up to the association ?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Did you straighten yourself out with the association?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. Did anybody from the association tell you what advantage it would give to you about not permitting jumping and things like that?

Mr. MORRIS. Well, they said there was a bond and one member wouldn't jump another member's location, and with the union the union would picket any nonmember, so therefore, you were covered in two or three different ways.

Mr. KENNEDY. So it was a very nice arrangement, belonging to the association.

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. You were told that by, among others, Mr. Nash Gordon, who was the office manager?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Then you also had a conversation with Mr. Denver and Mr. Schlang, who was head of local 1690, along the same lines?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. About the union providing the pickets. Then in October 1954, you lost your job with the Union Automatic Music Co.; is that right?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. And when you lost your job, you were operating your own business, your own route, but then did you lose some locations?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And then did you complain to the union at that time?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes, I complained to the union and they said they couldn't do anything. I complained to Mr. Denver and he said he couldn't do anything, either.

Mr. KENNEDY. So did you get out of the union then?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes. I stopped paying dues.
Mr. KENNEDY. Both union and the association ?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. Because they didn't help you?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Why did they say they couldn't do anything for

you?

Mr. MORRIS. Why? I don't know.

Mr. KENNEDY. Was it some particular operator that jumped your location ?

Mr. MORRIS. I believe that was the main reason.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did he have some connections that made it possible !
Mr. MORRIS. It is possible.
Mr. KENNEDY. What?
Mr. MORRIS. It is possible that he had some connections.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you understand that?
Mr. MORRIS. No, I didn't.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you understand why they couldn't help you ?
Mr. MORRIS. No.
The CHAIRMAN. Well, they were supposed to, were they not?
Mr. Morris. Yes, they were supposed to.
The CHAIRMAN. Didn't you try to find out why they wouldn't ?

Mr. MORRIS. I tried to find out why, but I couldn't find out why. I felt I am a small operator, I had no money, and that is why I felt they didn't want to do anything for me. Who the man was that jumped me must have been a bigger man than me, and I was just a small wheel and couldn't do anything.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, you didn't get the protection you paid for?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
The CHAIRMAN. Did they make an effort to protect you?
Mr. MORRIS. No.

The CHAIRMAN. In other words, you were just so small that somebody else was going to take it over and run it anyhow, and they would continue to get the money!

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
The CHAIRMAN. You are the only one that lost in the transaction?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And subsequently you understood from conversations that Mr. Denver gave out a list of your locations to various other operators and suggested that they jump your locations?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. That is after you got out of the association ?
The CHAIRMAN. Who did that?

Mr. MORRIS. One of the operators went around soliciting my locations and I spoke to him and he said that he got my list from the association, from Mr. Denver, and the association.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the witness who just testified here a few moments ago?

Mr. DENVER. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. Then you lost, what, two or three locations ?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Were you ever asked to belong to local 531 of the UIU!

Mr. MORRIS. No.

Mr. KENNEDY. That was the local that we just discussed, Mr. Chairman, which was run by Mr. Al Cohen.

Is that right?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. During a dispute between the Music Operators of New York and 1690 on one side, against local 531, the union that was run by Mr. Cohen, were you called down as a witness!

Mr. MORRIS. Yes. Mr. KENNEDY. At that time you were doing work on behalf of Harold Kauffman; is that right?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And Harold Kauffman had this arrangement with Mr. Cohen ?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. And Mr. Kauffman was a partner, Mr. Chairman, of Miami Phil, who we discussed yesterday.

When you went down there as a witness, were you a member of local 531 ?

Mr. MORRIS. No.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you meet Mr. Cohen?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes, I met Mr. Cohen.

Mr. KENNEDY. Did he tell you to go in and testify that you were a member of 531 ?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes. He told me that he considered me a member.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did he show you a card?
Mr. MORRIS. He showed me a card.
Mr. KENNEDY. And had you signed that card ?
Mr. MORRIS. No.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you go in and testify?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. Did you testify you were a member of 531 ?
Mr. MORRIS. Yes.
Mr. KENNEDY. You testified that you were, although you were not?

Mr. MORRIS. Well, he told me that since he was the president of the union he considered me a member, and I testified as such.

Mr. KENNEDY. You never knew that you were a member up until that time?

Mr. MORRIS. That is right.
Mr. KENNEDY. And this was not your signature on the card ?
Mr. MORRIS. That is right.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. Cohen was the one that suggested, however, that you go in and testify in these court proceedings?

Mr. MORRIS. No, he said he considered me a member and I testified Mr. KENNEDY. Is that the reason you were down there, to testify? Mr. MORRIS. That is right. And I also had to testify on who owned which machines and who paid for which machines, et cetera.

Mr. KENNEDY. When local 19 was being set up, were you invited to a meeting in connection with that union?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes.

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