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from the bar association library, the demand is so great we sit around and wait. So our United States courts need them. We ought not to have to be dependent on the District Bar Association for that type of books. That is what we are asking for. We are not asking for any that we have now scattered amongst our judges. I do not mean to say they are not in the courthouse--some of them are in one of the courthouses, because we have four now. You were kind enough to let me have the Esso Building for my new judges. We have that. Then there is the courthouse, the municipal court, and the Tax Court. They are in four places.
We have the District Bar Association library in the main courthouse. You know perfectly well, when I adjourn on a serious point of law, I cannot be sure of getting those books at a distant place within 5 or 10 minutes. The practical proposition is we have to wait or else do without it. I have had that happen more than once. Frankly, I would not have come here and been so persistent about taking up your time if I had not thought it was so positively necessary. I am busy and I know that you are.
Mr. STEFAN. I think the court should have working tools. intrigued with your statement about building this up.
Judge Laws. I said I am trying to build my court up. I am not trying to make this library like the Supreme Court library I said one of the best courts in the country was what I was trying to make this. I am hamstrung by this very small item. I am not trying to build up a library like the Supreme Court library.
If you look at our request, you will see what I mean.
Mr. STEFAN. I want to know what is becoming of the program we have had, judge, to make the law library in the Library of Congress the best law library in the world.
Judge Laws. I think that program is going forward. If we could get over there, we would not have any complaint whatever. We have got to have these kind of tools that one carries in a box. There are times when you have to have your tools on the job. We cannot stop and run over to the Supreme Court. I would have to keep 75 people waiting
Vír. STEFAN. Are you using the law library in the Library of Congress.?
Judge Laws. Yes. When we take a case under advisement. When we try a case for 6 or 8 weeks, surely, we use it. We use it extensively.
Mr. STEFAN. I have no further questions.
Mr. CLEVENGER. Will you be able to protect your library, if we give it to you, protect it from the outside people who will be coming in, from people who now use this District Bar Association library!
Judge Laws. Yes, we can. In this new building, we have followed the pattern of the second circuit up in New York City. We have studied it carefully. We have built a separate room for the judges, and the judges only will have recourse to it, along with their law clerks. We still have a connection with the District bar, which sends us books by a messenger or dumbwaiter. We have a library, and it is available. Yes, we will protect this new one.
Mr. CLEVENGER. I wanted to be sure about that.
Judge Laws. We have followed the pattern of the Federal courts in that regard. We have a library in there with a very efficient woman,
from the court of appeals. She is not my librarian, but she will handle this one. In addition to that, we have a separate room in which no one can enter. We will have protection.
Mr. STEFAN. When are you going to get into the new building? Judge Laws. They tell us we can count on getting in in April, but I hope by next January. We are trying our level best to talk them into expediting it, because we are in such a bad fix. I think they are trying to do it. When they get us out of the old building, then the defense agencies want that one.
Mr. STEFAN. How far along are they?
Judge Laws. They are working on the inside now. It is completely under cover.
After we get finished, we will take a look at it. It will be a treat.
Mr. COLLIER. The architect said he thought they would be able to start moving people in by January 1.
Judge Laws. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your courtesy.
Mr. ROONEY. Thank you, Judge Laws.
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