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H.R. 4623

FIRST SESSION

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A BILL TO FURTHER AMEND THE REORGANIZATION ACT

OF 1949

MARCH 3, 1965

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Committee on Government Operations

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1965

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· COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS

WILLIAM L. DAWSON, Illinois, Chairman CHET HOLIFIELD, California

CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio JACK BROOKS, Texas

FLORENCE P. DWYER, New Jersey L. H. FOUNTAIN. North Carolina

ROBERT P. GRIFFIN, Michigan PORTER HARDY, JR., Virginia

OGDEN R. REID, New York JOHN A. BLATNIK, Minnesota

FRANK J. HORTON, New York ROBERT E. JONES, Alabama

DELBERT L. LATTA, Ohio EDWARD A. GARMATZ, Maryland

DONALD RUMSFELD, Illinois JOHN E. MOSS, California

WILLIAM L. DICKINSON, Alabama DANTE B. FASCELL, Florida

JOHN N. ERLENBORN, Illinois HENRY S. REUSS, Wisconsin

HOWARD H. CALLAWAY, Georgia
JOHN S. MONAGAN, Connecticut

EDWARD J. GURNEY, Florida
TORBERT H. MACDONALD, Massachusetts
J. EDWARD ROUSH, Indiana
WILLIAM S. MOORHEAD, Pennsylvania
CORNELIUS E. GALLAGHER, New Jersey
WILLIAM J. RANDALL, Missouri
BENJAMIN S. ROSENTHAL, New York
JIM WRIGHT, Texas
FERNAND J. ST GERMAIN, Rhode Island
DAVID S. KING, Utah
JOHN G. DOW, New York
HENRY HELSTOSKI, New Jersey

CHRISTINE Ray Davis, Staff Director

JAMES A, LANIGAN, General Counsel
MILES Q. ROMNEY, Associate General Counsel

J. P. CARLSON, Minority Counsel
RAYMOND T. COLLINS, Minority Professional Staff

EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE REORGANIZATION SUBCOMMITTEE

WILLIAM L. DAWSON, Illinois, Chairman BENJAMIN S. ROSENTHAL, New York CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio CHET HOLIFIELD, California

JOHN N. ERLENBORN, Illinois
HENRY S. REUSS, Wisconsin

ELMER W. HENDERSON, Counsel
LOUIS I. FREED, Investigator
VERONICA B. JOHNSON, Clerk

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Statement of Harold Seidman, Assistant Director for Management and

Organization, Bureau of the Budget; accompanied by Fred E. Levi,

Assistant Chief; Howard Schnoor, management analyst; and Victor Page

Zafra, management analyst, Office of Management and Organization.-- 6

Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by-

Dawson, Hon. William L., a Representative in Congress from the

State of Illinois, and chairman, Executive and Legislative Reorgani-

zation Subcommittee:

Excerpt from message of President Johnson to the Congress

upon presentation of a draft bill amending the Reorganization

Act of 1949, February 3, 1965.--

H.R. 4623.--

Public Law 109—81st Congress, providing for the reorganization

of Government agencies, and for other purposes --------

Rosenthal, Hon. Benjamin S., a Representative in Congress from the

State of New York: Excerpt from House Report No. 195, 87th

Congress, additional views of Congressman Clarence J. Brown,

John B. Anderson, and Frank J. Horton..--.

Seidman, Harold, Assistant Director for Management and Organiza-

tion, Bureau of the Budget:

Excerpt from the First Hoover Commission Report --

Excerpt from letter of President Johnson to the Speaker of the

House of Representatives re reorganization ----

Excerpt from President Johnson's budget message to the Congress.
Excerpt from President Truman's Advisory Committee on

Management in 1952---

Excerpt from President Truman's message to the Congress in

1949 re permanent grant of authority to transmit reorganization

plans..----

Excerpt from report of the House Committee on Government

Operations on the 1961 extension of the Reorganization Act...

Excerpt from the amended Reorganization Act, 1964..---

Excerpt from the first recommendation of the Second Hoover

Commission Report, December 31, 1954.----

Excerpt from the Reorganization Act of 1949.------

of 1949

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FURTHER AMENDING THE REORGANIZATION ACT

OF 1949

(H.R. 4623)

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3, 1965
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE

REORGANIZATION SUBCOMMITTEE
OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 1501B, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. William L. Dawson (chairman) presiding.

Present: Representatives William L. Dawson, Chet Holifield, Henry S. Reuss, Benjamin S. Rosenthal, Clarence J. Brown, and John N. Erlenborn.

Also present: Elmer W. Henderson, subcommittee counsel; Louis I. Freed, investigator; James A. Lanigan, general counsel, Committee on Government Operations; J. P. Carlson, minority counsel; and Raymond T. Collins, minority professional staff, Committee on Government Operations.

Chairman Dawson. This meeting of the Subcommittee on Executive and Legislative Reorganization has been called to consider H.R. 4623, a bill introduced by me at the request of the President. It will amend the Reorganization Act of 1949 by repealing the time limitation on the authority given the President to submit reorganization plans to the Congress under the Reorganization Act of 1949. Heretofore, this authority has been extended for intervals of 2 years, with one exception of 4 years. This legislation, therefore, has the effect of making permanent the President's authority under the act which would expire on June 1, 1965.

As members of this subcommittee well know, the President may submit reorganization plans to the Congress which will go into effect after 60 days unless either the House or the Senate vetoes the plan by a simple majority vote. We have been advised that the President contemplates reorganization of the various departments and agencies to produce economies and efficiency in the Government.

In his message of February 3, 1965, to the Congress, submitting the draft bill, President Johnson said:

With only a few lapses since 1932, authority generally similar to that conferred by the present Reorganization Act has been available to the Presidents then in office. The usefulness of the authority to transmit reorganization plans to the Congress and the continuing need for such authority to carry out fully the purposes of the Reorganization Act have been clearly demonstrated. The

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