(A document was handed to the witness.) Mr. KATZ. That is correct. The CHAIRMAN. Your signature is on the back of it, is it? The CHAIRMAN. That may be made exhibit No. 33. (The document referred to was marked "Exhibit No. 33" for reference and will be found in the appendix on p. 6573.) The CHAIRMAN. I now present to you another check, the original, dated the same date, April 4, 1953, drawn on the account of Labor Relations Associates, by Shelton Shefferman, made payable to Western Union. I ask you to examine that check and see if you know who got the proceeds of it. (A document was handed to the witness.) Mr. KATZ. I received that, too. I said that a minute ago. The CHAIRMAN. Was that money wired to you by Western Union? Mr. KATZ. It was wired to me and the check was sent special delivery, airmail, because I told them I was going to Florida and I received it at the Picadilly Hotel and I went to Florida and I deposited it in a Florida bank. The CHAIRMAN. That may be made exhibit No. 34. (The document referred to was marked "Exhibit No. 34" for reference and will be found in the appendix on p. 6574.) Mr. KENNEDY. You were staying at the Picadilly Hotel? Mr. KATZ. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. How long were you there? Mr. KATZ. Two days. Mr. KENNEDY. You went out to the plant how many times? Mr. KATZ. I went out to the plant twice but my associates had been out there checking out the plant for weeks. The CHAIRMAN. Let us get the facts. You mean to tell the committee you got this money for standing outside of a plant for 2 days? Is that the pay you got for standing outside of a plant for 2 days? Mr. KATZ. I received that money. The CHAIRMAN. That does not answer my question. You already said you received the money. Mr. KATZ. I got paid for my consultation and that is what I asked and that is what I got paid. The CHAIRMAN. For the one consultation in Shefferman's office? The CHAIRMAN. You had one consultation with Shefferman in his office; is that right? Mr. KATZ. That is right. The CHAIRMAN. And then you spent 2 days outside of a plant looking it over? Mr. KATZ. That is right, and checking it out with my associates. Mr. KATZ. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. And then you immediately called him and told him you did not want to have anything more to do with it? Mr. KATZ. I wanted this and he screamed and he hollered about the money. The CHAIRMAN. For that very arduous service? Mr. KENNEDY. What did you do when you were standing outside the plant, Mr. Katz? Mr. KATZ. Just observing the activities around the plant, at quitting time. Mr. KENNEDY. What sort of things would you do? Mr. KATZ. Just observe the activities, people coming in and going out. You can't check a guy out if you are not in the plant. Mr. KENNEDY. What were you looking for? Mr. KATZ. I was looking for some familiar faces, maybe some friendly faces from the coast. Mr. KENNEDY. Some Communists from the west coast? Mr. KATZ. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. You came outside the plant for 2 days at quitting time to see if you could see somebody? Mr. KATZ. In the morning and quitting time. Mr. KENNEDY. Twice a day? Mr. KATZ. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. You were just out there 1 day? Mr. KENNEDY. You came out there 1 day, in the morning and at quitting time, to observe and see if you could find any Communists from the west coast, and you were paid $2,800 for doing that? Mr. KATZ. That was still cheap, after I had the hearings here. Mr. KATZ. Yes, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. And Shefferman was reimbursed by the Englander Co. for that payment to you? Mr. KATZ. That I don't know, whoever reimbursed him, and I don't know anything. All I know is that he asked what was coming to me and we had a big time screaming about it and I told him that is what I want. Mr. KENNEDY. Have you ever done any other work like that? Mr. KENNEDY. That is the only time? Mr. KATZ. That is correct. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you feel that you did pretty well that time, making $2,800 for that day's pay? Mr. KATZ. I was pretty sick at the time there and I was on my way to Florida to get well. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you have anything more to do with Mr. Shefferman? Mr. KATZ. No; I never saw him again. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever talk to him? Mr. KATZ. I don't recollect. I was in the hospital in Florida for a long time. Mr. KENNEDY. You were sick again? Mr. KATZ. That is correct, Mr. Counsel. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you talk to him at all? Mr. KATZ. I don't remember talking to anybody. Mr. KENNEDY. Was he pleased with the work that you did? Mr. KATZ. He was displeased with the bill I sent him. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you find any Communists from the west coast? Mr. KATZ. You have the wrong coast now, and you mean the east coast. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you find any Communists from the west coast coming out the plant or going into the plant? Mr. KATZ. I did not. Mr. KENNEDY. You did not find any? Mr. KATZ. None that I could identify. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you have a conversation with Mr. Shefferman again after that? Mr. KATZ. I don't know. I think when I called him, he called me back and he said, "You are asking for a lot of money." Mr. KENNEDY. After that, and this is 1953, did you talk to him again in 1954, 1955, and 1956? Mr. KATZ. I don't remember. Mr. KENNEDY. You do not remember? Mr. KATZ. I have been sick. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you try to go to work for him again? The CHAIRMAN. When was the last time that you were ill? Mr. KATZ. I had sustained an injury on January 4 on a ship. Mr. KATZ. 1957, this year. The CHAIRMAN. This year of 1957? Mr. KATZ. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. What was the state of your health during 1956? The CHAIRMAN. In what respect? Mr. Katz. I had had 2 heart attacks and I had had thrombosis, cerebral palsy, and I had an affliction in 2 legs, and when I came out of Mount Sinai your investigators were looking for me. The CHAIRMAN. Where were you in August of 1956? Mr. KATZ. In August of 1956 I was up in Los Angeles. The CHAIRMAN. Up in Los Angeles? Mr. KATZ. That is right. The CHAIRMAN. Did you visit San Francisco during that time? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Mr. KATZ. In 1956 I may have visited San Francisco. The CHAIRMAN. I do not quite remember now, but this work you did for Mr. Shefferman was back in 1953, when you got your checks, and you got your money. Mr. KATZ. That is right. The CHAIRMAN. Have you ever worked for him any since that time? The CHAIRMAN. Have you tried to work for him since that time? The CHAIRMAN. Have you sought employment with him since that time? Mr. KATZ. I don't remember. The CHAIRMAN. Have you had any communication with him since that time about being employed or seeking employment? Mr. KATZ. I might have sent him a Christmas card from Florida. The CHAIRMAN. A Christmas card? Mr. KATZ. That is right. The CHAIRMAN. From Florida? Mr. KATZ. Yes, sir; on New Year's. The CHAIRMAN. I present to you a telegram and suggest you identify it and then read it. Maybe it will refresh your memory. (A document was handed to the witness.) Mr. KATZ. Yes, I remember this telegram. I told him, “Happy New Year and what's cooking?" The CHAIRMAN. Happy New Year in August? Mr. KATZ. No, that is not in August, sir, that is New Year's. Doesn't it say "Christmas and New Year's"? The CHAIRMAN. I will read the telegram for you. It is sent from San Francisco, Calif., August 7, 1956, 9:20 p. m.: NATHAN SHEFFERMAN, Care, Labor Relations Associates of Chicago, Inc., 75 East Wacker Drive, Chicago: As per our conversation I can be reached at 7440 Balboa Street, apartment 303, San Francisco, residence until September 20. Please telegraph if work is available any place at your service. A very happy New Year to you and your family. That is the Jewish New Year? ΜΙΚΕ ΚΑΤΖ. The CHAIRMAN. That is all right. It is perfectly all right for you to wish him a happy New Year, either Jewish New Year or Christian New Year either one. I think it is quite proper that you wished him a happy New Year. All right, this telegram may be made exhibit No. 35. (The document referred to was marked "Exhibit No. 35" for reference and may be found in the files of the select committee.) Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever meet Shelton Shefferman? Mr. KATZ. I did. Mr. KENNEDY. Where did you meet Shelton Shefferman? Mr. KENNEDY. That is the only time? Mr. KATZ. I may have met him a few times on the street. Mr. KENNEDY. Other than a few times you met him on the street, did you ever meet him in California? Mr. KATZ. No. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever talk to him in California? Mr. KATZ. No. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever meet him in an office other than in Mr. Nathan Shefferman's office, Labor Relations Associates? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you meet him in his office? Mr. KATZ. Yes, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. Was he sitting with you at this time? Mr. KATZ. Was he sitting with me? Mr. KENNEDY. Was he in the conference that you had with Nathan Shefferman? Mr. KATZ. He was sitting down, naturally. Mr. KENNEDY. He was there present at the conference? Mr. KATZ. He was sitting there, as I remember, is all. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever meet him? 89330-57-pt. 16- -3 Mr. KATZ. Except what I read in the papers. Mr. KENNEDY. You never met him? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. You never talked to him? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you know that he had anything to do with the Englander case? Mr. KATZ. No, until he read it in the Influence Peddlers, in the book. Mr. KENNEDY. Beyond that you did not? Mr. KATZ. It was there in the digest. Mr. KENNEDY. You never talked to him? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. And you have never met Sidney Korshak? Mr. KATZ. I wouldn't know him if I saw him-if he came in front of me. Mr. KENNEDY. Were you attempting to organize the Max Factor Co.? Mr. KATZ. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you ever talk to Sidney Korshak about the Max Factor Co.? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. You never did? Mr. KATZ. No, sir. Mr. KENNEDY. When were you organizing the Max Factor Co. ? (At this point Senator McClellan withdrew from the hearing room.) Mr. KATZ. I left the papers at the hotel. I had the exact dates and the NLRB petition. By the way, the last time I was here, I left some on the table and when I got back to California, when I was talking to some of your visitors, I left them on the table, and I can't find some of those papers. Mr. KENNEDY. When were you trying to organize the Max Factor Co.? Mr. KATZ. He was organizing Max Factor from August on, I think, 1956. Mr. KENNEDY. August 1956? Mr. KATZ. No, 1955. Let's stand corrected. Mr. KENNEDY. 1956, I believe. Mr. KATZ. That is right. Mr. KENNEDY. What local were you with then? Mr. KATZ. The Processing Fabricators. Mr. KENNEDY. Local 802? Mr. KATZ. Right. Mr. KENNEDY. Did you form that local? Mr. KATZ. No. Mr. KENNEDY. It was in existence before? Mr. KATZ. It was in existence before I came. Mr. KENNEDY. What was your position in the local? Mr. KATZ. As an organizer. Mr. KENNEDY. You were working with Joe Roberts at that time? Mr. KATZ. This is Los Angeles, Calif., we are talking about. I don't know why you mention the man's name. Mr. KENNEDY. Where was the Max Factor Co. located? |