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Right Honourable Robert Dundas, Esq. M. P.

Earl Camden, K. G. Lord Louvaine,
Earl of Liverpool, Secreta- || Rt. Hon. Lord Teignmouth,
Earl Bathurst, }: of | Rt. Hon. Thos. Wallace,
Rt. Hon. Richard Ryder, State. Lord Francis A. Spencer.

Rt. Hon. Spencer Perceval, Secretary, George Peter Holford, Esq. M. P. #. Assistant Secretary, John Meheux, Esq. Chief Clerk, John Wright, Esq. . Clerks, Richard B. Gibson, T. Bell, Benjamin S. Jones, James Cumming, Robert Gardner, H. S. Alves, William Cabell, Robert Lane, Benjamin Henry Jones, Hugh Starke, David Starke, Wm. Lenox, and John Lloyd, Esqrs. Accomptant, T. N. Wittwer, Esq. Assistants, T. Bell and Wm. Leach, Esqrs. * Judicial examiner and reporter, Charles Poole, Esq. Solicitor, William Groom, Esq. Private Secretary to the President, Benjamin S. Jones, Esq. Messengers, William Salmond, James Hardy, John Hagen, and George Parsons. House-keeper, Mrs. Amhurst. Chamber-keeper, John Howden.



Charles Grant, Esq. M. P.
William Astell, Esq. M. P.
Sir Francis Baring, Bart.
*Sir William Bensley, Bart.
Sir Hugh Inglis, Bart.
Charles Mills, Esq. M. P.
The Hon. William Fullarton Elphinstone.
Abraham Robarts, Esq. M. P.
Sir Theophilus Metcalfe, Bart.
George Smith, Esq. M. P.
Sweny Toone, Esq.
Richard Chicheley Plowden, Esq.

John Hudleston, Esq.


John Inglis, Esq.
John Bebb, Esq.
James Pattison, Esq.
George Millet, Esq.
Campbell Marjoribanks, Esq.
John Jackson, Esq. M. P.
George Abercrombie Robinson, Esq.
John Alexander Bannerman, Esq.
Robert Williams, Esq.
William Wigram, Esq. M. P.
James Daniell, Esq.

following gentlemen went out by rotation in April, 1809; viz.

John Roberts Esq.
Jacob Bosanquet, Esq.
Robert Thornton, Esq. M. P.
Joseph Cotton, Esq.
Edward Parry, Esq.
Thomas Reid, Esq.

* Sir W. dying was succeeded by Colonel Taylor.



April 1809.

After the proceedings of the last oourt had been read, the chairman stated the present court to be called for the purpose of confirming the resolutions of the last court, for the appointment of a military secretary, and two assistant secretaries to the examiner's otfice; and also the resolution for establishing a seminary for the education of cadets for their artil

lery and engineer corps. The reports recommending each of these ineasures where read,—On the chairman proposing that for appoint

ing a military secretary, Mr. Rock rose to say, that after deliberately considering the measure, it could not have his assent.— Mr. R. observed, that nothing short of a degree of necessity, which had by no means been made out, could justify so considerable an additional expence in the present circumstances of the company; but even supposing, for argument's sake, that such officers were necessary, he thought they ought to be selected from their present servants, who were on ail hands admitted to be able and meritorious men. Mr. R. observed, with considerable feeling, upon the painful sensations which must accompany a measure, which he contended was, as to the present of. ficers of the house, one of indignity and supercession, and not called for by the circumstances laid before them; he should, therefore, move that all the words of the resolution after the word “ that” be left out, in order to substitute one, declaring in substance, that the servants of the house continued to possess the esteem and con

fidence of that court, &c.

Colonel Scott said, that although

he partook of all the sentiments which he had heard respecting our old servants, he could not second the motion, as it went to annul altogether the resolution of the directors, which would not be consistent with the respect that he bore towards that part of the court. Mr. Loundes likewise felt for the situation of the officers of the house, although he was not prepared to ascribe to them so great a degree of merit as was conveyed by the proposed amendment; they might or might not possess it; but he would not vote such a fact to be true without the means of knowing it. He said, he felt rather disposed to concur in the resolution of the court of directors, founded as it was upon their report, provided some words or memorandum could be added, which should prevent the circumstance of taking strangers immediately into their bighest offices, from being drawn into precedent. The Chairman observed, that Mr. Rock's amendment not having been seconded, there was no other than the original question before the court, which he was proceeding to put, when Mr. Jackson rose, and referring to the observations which he had made at the last court, upon the novelty and importance of the measure, not so much with regard to expence, as to the danger of the precedent, said, he should propose some additional words, by way of amendment, which he hoped would meet conflicting opinions, and secure themselves from danger, as well as soothe the feelings and tranquillize the apprehensions of their officers, while it gave to the company, in the present instance, the advantage of the measure. He said, the question naturally resolved itself into three considerations—namely, the necessity of such appointments — what evils might possibly arise from the precedent—and how they might be guarded against. Upon these Mr. Jackson argued separately: , he admitted the necessity to be imperative; he was convinced, he said, not only from an attentive perusal of the reports, but from many cases which had been before him for professional advice,that a degree of delay had very frequently taken place in the offices in question, so considerable in extent, and so cruel in operation, as to afford in his mind a strong impeachment of the company's government; he hoped that this mischief would be cured by the proposed measure. The evils to be apprehended, he said, were first as to the officers of the house, and next as to themselves. It was impossible but th:t the gentlene of the house should feel chagrin on the occasion, though the report was not disparaging to them, for it stated, they could not fill the offices in question, without being taken from others, where their abilities had residered their continuance absolutely necessary. The fault, he thought, had been in not avoiding this necessity of calling in foreign aid, by the due preparation of a sufficient number of young gentlemen for an office much resembling that of the secretary of state for the foreign department; this not having been done, the measure had be conje necessary, but he thought the court ought to guard against future supercession: he described the trying situation of families, who, being receive" in socie y as gentlefolks, had much to struggle with to keep up appear onces; consolation, and that which en ble them to pris; with fortitude so get a proportion of their lives upon such narrow stipends, was the moral assurance which they had a right to indulge in, from the al not undeviating history of the company for tear three centuries, that 'hey should in time arri e at oi re r , he top of their resperove offices; a well grounded prospect in ore promotion operated wih such persons as present rank, and had


considerable influence in the introduc- tion of their children, and the alliances which they formed; these prospects which, perhaps, might otherwise be thought to be rendered doubtful by the resolution proposed, he thought the general court should by its declaration, strengthen an co, fit on, so that those who had hither to looked forward to become the heads o' offices, might be encouraged to continue their arduous and honourable course of service, without themselves or their families having to live in dread of eventual or ultimate supercession. With regard to themselves, he thought what they had to fear was, that having this made an opening to strangers, future governments, or future directors, would laturally think of introducing those who were allied to them in blood or friendship, at the expence of the servants of the house, with whom they were not likely to be in the habits of friendship, and whose situations precluded them from that freedom of access necessary for the representation of the hardship of their cases. He had to fears from the present directors, none from the present government, and certainly none from the amiable and unassuming president of the board of controul ; but feeling it necessary to guard the company against the possibility of evil, as far as a resolution of that court could do it, he should move an addition to the resolution proposed by the court of directors. r "...ir. Jackson then moved an amendment, which, after some suggestions from the deputy chairman and Mr. Twining, stood as follows, viz.: “ That this court, relying upon the representations of the court of directors, and fully sensible of the weight of the observations contained in the reports now read, as to the necessity of appointing a military secretary and two assistant secretaries to the examiners' office, do agree to the same : but this court, whilst it can have no doubt of the disposition of the executive body to countenance and protect the servants brought up in this house, desire to express its own anxiety to continue wo

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