Mrs. HORT. No, sir; I don't remember. I know how we came home that night, but

Mr. KENNEDY. Did you drop Harry Lev off that night?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. Where did you drop him off?

Mrs. HORT. At the Gramercy Park. I think it was raining.
Mr. KENNEDY. At the Gramercy Park Hotel?

Mrs. HORT. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. You dropped him off that night at the Gramercy Park Hotel?

Mrs. HORT. Yes sir; Mr. Rubin was with us. I don't remember where I dropped him off.

The CHAIRMAN. Do I understand Mr. Rubin was present in the car when this transaction took place?

Mrs. HORT. No, sir; he was present at my home and we drove Mr. Lev

The CHAIRMAN. Did you drive Mr. Rubin home that night!

Mrs. HORT. No, we drove Mr. Lev home that night. Mr. Rubin was with us when we drove Mr. Lev home. I don't remember if we dropped Mr. Rubin home, or dropped him off at a cab.

The CHAIRMAN. When this check was signed in the car and given. to your husband, then what happened?

Mrs. HORT. It was given to my husband.

The CHAIRMAN. Where did you go from there?

Mrs. HORT. I don't recall.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you take Lev to his hotel then?

Mrs. HORT. I don't think so, but I don't remember.

The CHAIRMAN. He got out of the car, you dropped him somewhere and then you went on home?

Mrs. HORT. I don't remember, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not?

Mrs. HORT. I don't We could have dropped him off at a taxi.
Mr. KENNEDY. You don't remember that at all?

Mrs. HORT. No.

Mr. KENNEDY. Why was this check made out to Harry Lev?
Mrs. HORT. It was at his request.

Mr. KENNEDY. Do you know what the reason was for that?

Mrs. HORT. He didn't give me the reason.

Mr. KENNEDY. You actually wrote the check yourself?

Mrs. HORT. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. You were definitely present at the time the check was given to your husband?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir: I was.

Mr. KENNEDY. There is no question in your mind about that?
Mrs. HORT. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. There is one matter I think we should clear up before we pass on to some other aspects of this, and that is this last transaction in which you received the $2,000 check, as you say for payment or to reimburse your husband for the work that he had done prior to the time that he went on a salary with the resin company. Did any contract or any work ever result from this last transaction for which you got the $2,000?

Mrs. HORT. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did Mr. Lev ever follow up or enter into any contract or place your husband in any business, or do anything that he agreed to do with respect to it?

Mrs. HORT. Mr. Lev reneged completely on it. I though actually we had a verbal contract with him.

Anyhow, he definitely became invisible after a while and my husband gave up on it.

The CHAIRMAN. After a while he became invisible, you could not find him?

Mrs. HORT. I couldn't find him.

The CHAIRMAN. Was that before or after you left ASTAPA?

Mrs. HORT. Before.

The CHAIRMAN. Sometime before?

Mrs. HORT. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know whether this check was reported in your income tax?

Mrs. HORT. I don't know, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know?

Mrs. HORT. I do not know. I doubt it.

The CHAIRMAN. I think as a matter of fact it was not.

Mrs. HORT. My husband normally writes out the returns.

The CHAIRMAN. He would know about that and, of course, the income-tax return would show.

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

Senator MUNDT. Do you also sign the income-tax returns?
Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir; I do.

Senator MUNDT. You did not look to see if that was done, or not? Mrs. HORT. I don't recall specifically looking for it. I don't think it was in, sir, but I don't thing it was deliberately left out.

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair presents to you what purports to be a carbon copy of a letter. Will you identify that, please?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir. It is a letter written to Mr. Lev by my husband, which takes him to task for not having come through and explain the $2,000.

The CHAIRMAN. You have identified it?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. It may be made exhibit 19.

This letter is dated June 22, 1953, about 2 months after the check was given; is that correct?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. The address is 632 Green Briar Court, Westfield, N. J., addressed to Mr. Harry Lev, 6107 North Kenmore, Chicago, Ill. It reads as follows:

Dear Mr. Lev: Your long weeks of delay have had what I reluctantly believe to be their calculated intent. My confidence in your promise to set up this resin business has sunk to a low ebb, as have my finances. I do not feel I can afford to wait any longer, so I have accepted a position as a research chemist and have returned to a life of relative security rather than illusory riches.

I am therefore sending you this accounting of the $2,000 you advanced me for my expenses. As you will recall, you agreed to pay not only the expenses which I would incur on your behalf, but also those which I had already incurred in first setting up the resin deal, to the extent which I had not been reimbursed by the previous group.

These previous expenses were incurred over a comparatively long period, and included over a dozen trips to New York for meetings with the other group before the deal was culminated. The total expense for this period was $475, the largest single item of which was $115 for a trip my wife and I made to Taunton, Mass., to investigate the suitability of a plant there for resin manufacture. Here, then, is the accounting:

Prior expenses--

Expenses of Chicago trip (for 2).

Expenses in hunt for plant site_

Trips to New York (to meet you).

Expenses 45 days, library work, and related investigations_.
Long-distance phone calls (estimated) -

$475

215

175

45

900

60

$1,870

Rather than return the $130 balance, since I need it more than you, I am crediting it to miscellaneous expenses.

Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed at your behavior in this affair.

Very truly yours,

EUGENE V. HORT.

That is the letter your husband wrote him?
Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mrs. Hort, after you appeared here in executive session you came down to the committee office and presented that letter to the committee staff?

Mrs. HORT. My husband did, sir. I didn't.

Mr. KENNEDY. You and your husband stated at that time that that letter had been written on the date, June 22, 1953, which purported to show the expenses which you had incurred in this deal; is that

correct?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. Now, do you wish to change what you told the committee staff?

Mrs. HORT. No, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. That letter was written on June 22, 1953?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KENNEDY. It is correctly dated?

Mrs. HORT. It is correctly dated.

Mr. KENNEDY. You sent that on June 22, 1953?

Mrs. HORT. Would you repeat that?

Mr. KENNEDY. You wrote that letter and sent it to Harry Lev on June 22, 1953?

Mrs. HORT. I typed that letter. I don't recall if I mailed it or my husband mailed it. I don't recall the date.

Mr. KENNEDY. On or about June 22.

Mrs. HORT. In fact, the only way I know it is June 22 is because it was so dated.

Mr. KENNEDY. You wrote it and sent it on, or about June 22, 1953? Mrs. HORT. I know that I typed it on or about June 22. Í don't know who mailed it, whether he did, or I did.

Mr. KENNEDY. Do you have any information as to what date approximately that letter was sent, if it ever was sent?

Mrs. HORT. No, but it would have been right around that.
Mr. KENNEDY. On or about June 22, 1953?

Mrs. HORT. Yes.

Mr. KENNEDY. Why did you tell Mr. Bellino and myself several days ago that was not sent on June 22, 1953?

Mrs. HORT. You know why I told it to you.

Mr. KENNEDY. Why?

Mrs. HORT. You said if I would tell you that, you would keep my husband out of this.

Mr. KENNEDY. I said what, Mrs. Hort?

Mrs. HORT. You said if I would tell you that this letter was written at another time you would keep my husband out of this entirely.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mrs. Hort, when you first made that statement did you make it in my presence?

Mrs. HORT. With Mr. Bellino.

Mr. KENNEDY. You say I told that?

Mrs. HORT. Excuse me.

that.

I meant counsel for the committee told

Mr. KENNEDY. You first said I told you.

Mrs. HORT. I was using "you" collectively.

Mr. KENNEDY. He told you you should lie about this letter?

Mrs. HORT. He did not say "You should lie about this letter." He said, "Didn't you sent it on a later date?"

I said, "No, I didn't."

He said, "Come on, now. If you tell us what we want on this letter, then we won't drag your husband into it and some other things that you may not be interested in having brought in."

I think Mr. Kennedy will agree I was in a slightly distraught state when you did come in.

Mr. KENNEDY. Mrs. Hort, I came in and asked you when this letter was sent, what did you say to me?

Mrs. HORT. You didn't ask me. Mr. Bellino said to you, "Mrs. Hort just said this letter was sent after that time."

Mr. KENNEDY. And Mr. Bellino prior to the time I came in there said to you if you told an untruth about this letter that your husband would not be brought into this?

Mrs. HORT. You are not wording it properly.

Mr. KENNEDY. You word it. You said he was trying to get you to tell something that was untrue.

Mrs. HORT. Mr. Bellino, and you, too, at various times in the course of the afternoon, tried to tell me that everything I told was untrue and why was I lying to you, and "You know what can happen." "Why don't you just do it our way", and "We don't have to get your husband and your family involved in the thing."

Mr. KENNEDY. And he said specifically that he wanted you to tell an untruth?

Mrs. HORT. He said:

Come, now, you know this letter was not written on that day. Tell us what we want to know on it. Tell us what we already know on it and then we won't have to mention the letter and we won't have to mention your husband, we will be able to keep him out of that.

So I said, "All right, I wrote it"-What did I say?

Mr. KENNEDY. I am trying to find out what you said.

Mrs. HORT. That is a day out of my life, sir. I don't remember that too well.

Mr. KENNEDY. Is that right, you don't remember now?

Mrs. HORT. I don't remember what day, I said. I do know I said something else. I said it because well, I can't say I literally had my arms twisted, but I figuratively did.

Mr. KENNEDY. You say you wrote it sometime after October of 1953?

Mrs. HORT. I see red when you mention this. I don't know what I said. I was on the verge of hysteria.

Mr. KENNEDY. You do remember

Mrs. HORT. I don't want to hurt anyone needlessly. I thought I was being brow beaten, badgered and kicked around.

Mr. KENNEDY. So on the basis of that you changed your story, on the basis of the fact that your husband was not going to be brought

into it?

Mrs. HORT. I was told:

tell us what we want to know on this thing, what we know as so. There is no sense fooling us on it. We know it is so and so. If you say this we won't even have to mention it and we will keep your husband out of it altogether. At that point I would have sworn that I put the crack in the Liberty Bell.

Mr. KENNEDY. Excuse me.

Mrs. HORT. Strike it from the record. At that point I would have sworn to almost anything.

Senator BENDER. It is hard to realize, Mr. Kennedy, you were such a bad man.

Mrs. HORT. Mr. Kennedy alternates. He can be as sweet as sugar and then the next moment

Senator ERVIN. You say now that all that Mr. Bellino told you was that you go ahead and say what they knew to be true?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir; but he said that about everything I had told him he doubted, I think he doubted my name.

Senator ERVIN. Just a minute ago you swore that the man who was doing the talking to you was Mr. Kennedy, first.

Mrs. HORT. I am sorry, sir. Mr. Kennedy was in on it. He came in 2 minutes later, or 5 minutes later. I did use the word "you" as a poor choice.

Senator ERVIN. Mr. Kennedy was asking you questions and you referred to Mr. Kennedy as "you" in which you charged that he tried to get you to say something that was not so.

Mrs. HORT. Senator, I am afraid that I don't think of Mr. Kennedy and Mr. Bellino as individuals particularly, but as a collective item. Senator ERVIN. Now, just wait a minute. I asked you a very simple question. At first you made this charge against Mr. Kennedy?

Mrs. HORT. Yes, sir; I did. I am sorry. It would have been an erroneous charge.

Senator ERVIN. Then you transferred it to Mr. Bellino.

Mr. HORT. Yes, sir.

Senator ERVIN. Now, you admit that all that was said to you was to ask you to tell the truth?

Mr. HORT. No; they didn't. They said "Just tell us what we know to be the truth," not what I know to be the truth, but what they know to be the truth.

Senator ERVIN. All that Mr. Bellino did was to ask you to tell them what they knew to be the truth?