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Mr. SHERLEY. How about other material which you have bought? Gen. BLACK. Everything has gone up.

Maj. GRANT. The highest increase has been in wagons, and that has been about 50 per cent in some special wagons requiring big pieces of lumber. Outside of that there has not been any more than about a 20 per cent increase, or 25 per cent at the most, in our regular equipment of troops.

Mr. SHERLEY. General, has there been any complaint made by any other department of the Government that your orders were interfering with them; any question of priorities? Gen. Black. None has come up as yet. There is one up right now.

ENGINEER OPERATIONS IN THE FIELD. The CHAIRMAN. For expenses incident to military engineer operations in the field, etc., you have had $94,800,000 and you are now asking $100,000,000 more.

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; and that will not be more than enough to carry us through until December.

The CHAIRMAN. Of this year!
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Yet you want it next year also?
Gen. BLACK. I will want a lot more, I am afraid.

The CHAIRMAN. You are asking for this to be available until June 30, 1919?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; but that was merely as a matter of precaution.

The CHAIRMAN. If you are going to spend it all before December, you are extraordinarily precautious.

Gen. BLACK. Of course, you understand we can not quite tell about that. It will all depend on circumstances.

The CHAIRMAN. Is this all for materials?
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; it is all for materials and machinery.
Mr. SHERLEY. Do you get that in this country?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; all of it except that we hope to get, just as soon as we can get the forestry regiments at work over there, a great deal of lumber in France, and there is one other item also. For example, the English have already made very good ambulance railroad trains and we can purchase from them and therefore will not have to carry across the water the ambulance railroad trains. All the rest of it will be sent from this country,

The CHAIRMAN. What do you build abroad out of this appropriation ?

Gen. Black. Wharves and their equipment-we have to equip at least two ports of debarkation—post "storehouses and shops, cantonments, roads, railroads, and hospitals. The Quartermaster General requested from the Secretary of War some months ago a decision to the effect that the whole of France is the zone of military operations, so that all constructions that are made there will be made by the Engineers. Mr. SHERLEY. Then you build the cantonments! Gen. BLACK. In France: yes.

Mr. SHERLEY. And the hospitals and every sort of construction so that the quartermasters in France will only have to deal with provisions and supplies?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. And the engineers will take over every character of construction ?

Gen. Black. Yes, sir; and will operate whatever railroads are to be operated.

Mr. SHERLEY. You will have to do then with all transportation that is not by horse or motor truck and will have to do with all construction ?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is this based upon the needs of an army of 1,000,000 men ?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. For what period ?
Gen. BLACK. This is all just the first cost.
The CHAIRMAN. You had $94,000,000 for that purpose.

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; but it has gone. For instance, take this question of railroads alone. We have here for maintenance of rolling stock $60,000,000, which we had hoped would last until next June, but it will not, and that will have to be increased to $75,000,000 or $80,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. That depends on whether we have men in action. Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; it depends on that.

The CHAIRMAN. And this is to enable you to get supplies that will be required in the event that our Army is over there.

Gen. BLACK. We have to get them over there first to get the army up:

The CHAIRMAN. I understand.

Gen. BLACK. And take this cantonment business and the road business—that road work is purely at the front, the restoring of roads destroyed by shell fire.

Mr. SHERLEY. When your estimate was submitted, which was allowed in the June deficiency bill, was the division of which you have just spoken between the quartermasters and the engineers in contemplation?

Maj. Grant. No, sir; it was not. This $100,000,000 practically is to take care of that construction work. This $94,000,000 included only construction and engineer materials with the fighting force.

Mr. SHERLEY. If that be true, evidently the work, which by virtue of this now existing arrangement you are to take over, it was then contemplated would be done by the Quartermaster Corps?

Gen. BLACK. A portion of it; yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. And to that extent they asked and received moneys for that purpose?

Gen. BLACK. I do not know about that.

Mr. SHERLEY. But we are anxious to know, because if my statement be true, then to the extent that we allow moneys here and now because of work that they would have done under the old arrangement, we should get it from them.

Gen. BLACK. If they estimated for it; yes, sir.

Mr. STERLEY. IIow much of this $100,000,000 is made up of items the result of your taking over this work that was to be done by the quartermasters?

Gen. BLACK. About $35,000,000.
Mr. SHERLEY. And it is for what purpose?

Gen. Black. For post storehouses, shops, wharves, and equipment, cantonments, and hospitals.

The CHAIRMAN. And refrigeration ?
Gen. BLACK. No, sir; we have not anything to do with that.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you provide the cold-storage plants ?
Gen. BLACK. No, sir; the Quartermaster Corps provides them.
The CHAIRMAN. Why is that!
Gen. BLACK. That is a part of the supply of the Army.

The CHAIRMAN. There will be refrigeration plants at the ports of debarkation?

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; but that is so intimately connected with supplies that they will provide them, and in the same way the Quartermaster Department will provide the clothing-repair shops, the laundries, and a thousand and one items which I imagine they did not think about when the first one was put in.

Mr. SHERLEY. You will not build them at all?
Gen. BLACK. No, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. Can you give somewhat in detail just what makes up that $35,000,000?

Gen. BLACK. The wharves alone will take $4,000,000. We estimate about 80 buildings for storehouses and shops, $1,000,000. Now, I can not tell you just what those 80 buildings will be because it will be exactly as they say over there. Then for cantonments, including buildings, lighting, and supplies (the word supplies here means the water supply, sewerage, and so on), $20,000,000.

Mr. SHERLEY. For how many people?
Gen. BLACK. That is based on io divisions.
Mr. SHERLEY. Of what size?
Gen. BLACK. Of the unit cost of $2,000,000 per division.
The CHAIRMAN. And what number of men to a division?
Maj. GRANT. Twenty-three thousand.
Mr. SHERLEY. That is a little less than $100 a man!
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. The $20,000,000 includes hospitals!

Gen. BLACK. No, sir; $10,000,000 more for hospitals; $30,000,000 for cantonments and hospitals.

Mr. SHERLEY. $20,000,000 is for the cantonments, and that means the barracks, the mess halls, the roads, the sewerage, the drainage, and everything!

Gen. BLACK. The lighting, water supply, every permanent construction.

Mr. SHERLEY. Everything in connection with it?
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. Except refrigeration ?
Gen. BLACK. Except refrigeration.

Maj. Grant. We included the lumber for the buildings, but not the plant in any of those cases.

Mr. SHERLEY. Upon what was the estimate based, how did you arrive at it?

Maj. GRANT. We took the average cost of the cantonments and compared their design with ours and made a reduction for labor, which we did not expect would have to be paid for over there.

Mr. SHERLEY. How do you mean?

Maj. Grant. The cantonment work here is being done by very expensive civilian labor and, of course, we expect to do this by troops, almost entirely.

Mr. SHERLEY. Your estimate was really an estimate for material? Maj. GRANT. Mostly for material.

Mr. SHERLEY. Do you contemplate getting those materials from this side?

Maj. GRANT. Yes, sir.

Gen. BLACK. Until the forestry regiments can get to work. Then, we will get the wood over there. We can get some cement over there. The steel, corrugated iron, and all of that will come from this side. They also asked if we could send over some of the knocked-down buildings. I do not think we have made any contract.

Maj. GRANT. No, sir; we are just getting information.

Gen. BLACK. What we are trying to do here, which makes it necessarily a little vague, is not to interfere with Gen. Pershing's people over there. Col. Taylor is at the head, so you know it is pretty well managed. They send over the requisitions for what they want and we try to supply them.

Mr. SHERLEY. You have accounted for $30,000,000?
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. What is the other $5,000,000 for?

Gen. BLACK. The wharf, $4,000,000, and the base storehouse and shops, $1,000,000.

Mr. SHERLEY. That leaves $65,000,000 of the $100,000,000 unexpended ?

Gen. BLACK. The rest is mighty easy. Sixty million dollars for railroad and rolling stock, and it will not carry, and a thousand miles of road at $5,000 a mile. That, of course, is rough. We do not know how much we will get.

Mr. SHERLEY. Had you not figured on the railroads before!
Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir; but we had not figured on so much.

Mr. SHERLEY. You mean that your old figures must now be increased by $60,000,000 for railroads.

Gen. BLACK. Yes, sir. We made no estimate at all for the railroad construction.

MONDAY, JULY 30, 1917.

QUARTERMASTER'S CORPS. STATEMENT OF MAJ. GEN. HENRY G. SHARPE, QUARTERMASTER

GENERAL, ACCOMPANIED BY COL. I. W. LITTELL, LIEUT. COL. H. M. LORD, MAJ. C. B. DRAKE, CAPT. C. P. DALY, CAPT. J. S. FAIR, CAPT. R. C. MARSHALL, LIEUT. J. Q. A. BRETT, QUARTERMASTER CORPS, AND E. J. LAYTON, SECRETARY TO QUARTERMASTER GENERAL.

PAY OF THE ARMY.

(See p. 327.)

OFFICERS OF THE LINE. The CHAIRMAN. For " Pay of the Army. Officers of the line: For pay of officers," $27,380,503. General, how was this estimate reached?

Gen. SHARPE. We have a statement from The Adjutant General, confirmed by the General Staff, giving the strength of the Army. The Secretary of War directed that provision be made for 2,033,345 enlisted men, to be divided as follows:

National Army, 16 Infantry divisions, 320,000 men; 6 Army Corps, 97,800 men; line of communication troops for 32 divisions, 238.560 men, making a total of 656,360. Regular Army, 10 Infantry divisions, 200,000; 3 Army Corps, 48,800 ; line of communication troops, 74,550 ; miscellaneous troops, including oversea garrisons, 146,835, making a total of 470,185. National Guard, 16 Infantry divisions, 320,000; 6 Army Corps, 97,800, miscellaneous troops, 39,000, making a total of 456,800. Replacement units for all forces, 450,000, or a total of 2,033,345. The money required for this force for one year, with the necessary officers, is shown in the table which I submit, which is divided into * Needed," "Appropriated,” and “To be prov'ded.”

The CHAIRMAN. How much is there required for one year?

Gen. SHARPE. The total pay for one year is $1,156,167,828.28. There has already been appropriated $140,339,387.30, making the balance to be appropriated $715,828,440.98.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the present strength of all these forces ?

Gen. SHARPE. I do not know exactly, Mr. Chairman. For the Regular Army and the National Guard it is practically the figures we have given here. There have been none called yet for the National Army or for the replacement troops which also come under the National Army.

The CHAIRMAN. You have not yet a million men whom you are paying!

Gen. SHARPE. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And you are figuring here on the pay of 2,033,000 men for a whole

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What you have done is to include the amount of money necessary for a year's pay for this army of 2,033,000?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And have requested the difference between those figures and the amounts now available under the appropriations heretofore made?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir. This table shows that.
The table submitted by Gen. Sharpe follows:

year?

86,158 officers, 2,033,345 men, 1 year.

Needed.

Appropriated. To be provided.

85,976 officers, at $2,313 each (not including Philippine Scouts).

Service pay.

Aviation increase.
2,027,612 enlisted men (not including Philippine
Scouts).

Service pay,
Marksmanship, mess sergeant, etc.

Aviation increase
('lerks, office (hief of Staff
Army field clerks..

Foreign-service pay

Heat and light...
Field clerks, Quartermaster Corps.
Reserve veterinarians..
Contract surgeons.
Superintendent Nurse Corps.
Nurses (female).
Military laws.

$198, 862, 488.00 $92, 167,612.00 $106,694,876.00
3,758, 626.09
3, 258, 636.09

500,000.00 1,500,000.00

1,500,000.00 798, 258,052.00 321, 808, 816.00 5,000,000.00

476,449, 236.00 4, 703, 519.92 2,000,000.00

296, 480.08 2,000,000.00 400,000.00 50,000.00 350,000.00

150, 240.00 137, 190.00 13,050.00 5,834,080.00 1, 496, 480.00

4,337,600.00 7,600.00

7,600.00 53, 742.00 53, 742.00 70,000.00

70,000.00 700,000.00 700,000.00 75,000.00 75,000.00

1,800.00 1,800.00 9, 494,560.00 751, 622.00 8,742, 938.00

5,000.00 5,000.00

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