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The CHAIRMAN. Have you any information upon which you can express an opinion as to the number of men you will have on an average during this fiscal year?

Gen. SHARPE. I think it will be greater than the number we have in the estimates.

The CHAIRMAN. No; not greater than the estimates; you have more than 2,000,000.

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir. There are a great many troops which have not yet been called, technical troops, which are not included.

The CHAIRMAN. How many?

Gen. SHARPE. We are going to provide for 45,000 for the engineers, technical troops; that one item alone, 11 more regiments.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the total number of technical troops?

Gen. SHARPE. We do not know. We estimate that in our corps alone at the end of this year there will be 200.000 men, in the Medical Department about 220,000, 25,000 in the Ordnance Department, and 104,000 in the Signal Corps.

The CHAIRMAN. They are provided for?

Gen. SHARPE. I do not understand so.

The CHAIRMAN. Does not the aviation appropriation cover the pay of the Aviation Corps?

Gen. SHARPE. I do not understand that it covers the pay.

Capt. DALY. The regular men in the Aviation Corps are provided for in the Army bill and the Reserve Signal Corps is provided for in the Signal Corps appropriation.

Gen. SHARPE. If it does provide for the pay, it would not provide for the clothing and other subsistence.

The CHAIRMAN. You suggest dropping out the words "including staff corps of the National Guard." That is because their pay has

already been provided for. Will not that compel you to open a new account unless the appropriation is carried in the same wording? Gen. SHARPE. We did not recommend that that wording be stricken out. I do not know where that recommendation came from. The CHAIRMAN. Those words should remain in the bill?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

Lieut. BRETT. Not the words "National Guard." It was the intention that everything except the Regular Army would be provided for under the officers of the line, because we had no way of knowing the number of men in the Staff Corps at this time, and so if the words "National Guard" are left off of pay of officers of the line the item will provide the pay of staff officers for every force except the Regular Army.

The CHAIRMAN. In order to take care of the staff of the National Guard those words were included in the other bill?

Lieut. BRETT. We provide for the Staff Corps of the Regular Army here under appropriate headings. We do not provide for the Staff Corps of the National Guard. We do not know how many officers we will have.

ADDITIONAL PAY TO OFFICERS FOR LENGTH OF SERVICE.

The CHAIRMAN. As to the item “For additional pay to officers for length of service," will any of that accrue this year?

Lieut. BRETT. A great many enlisted men of the line are being commissioned. Most of those men will come in with one fogy. That means an increase of 10 per cent in their pay. Every enlisted man who has had five years' service is entitled to one fogy, and if he has served enough to give him the second fogy he gets that.

The CHAIRMAN. Outside of the enlisted men who are commissioned there will be no increase?

Lient. BRETT. Yes, sir; because we are putting up so many officers from the lower grades. By adding the fifth increment to the Army we have many more colonels, lieutenant colonels, majors, and captains. The CHAIRMAN. The increase is based upon the percentage of the grade in which they are serving?

Lieut. BRETT. Yes, sir. After this increase all the second lieutenants will probably become practically captains, and instead of getting 10 per cent on $1.700 they will get 20 per cent on $2.400.

The CHAIRMAN. There is no longevity for general officers?

Gen. SHARPE. No, sir. The full longevity does not accrue with the colonel or lieutenant colonel.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you think it will take $500,000 for this purpose?

Lieut. BRETT. Yes, sir. Inasmuch as all the promotions have not been carried up, we have no means of making a close calculation, but I think it is very conservative.

The CHAIRMAN. In these items for pay, will any of this additional money be expended before the end of this calendar year?

Gen. SHARPE. Personally, I think it will, Mr. Chairman. You have only appropriated

The CHAIRMAN (interposing). We appropriated on the basis of a million for eight months.

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir. We have expended and obligated up to July 31, $45,807,358.38.

The CHAIRMAN. For what?

Gen. SHARPE. For the pay of the Army. That leaves a balance of $391,061,000. We require over $1,000,000,000 for the whole year. We have only $391,000,000 left. We have one-fourth of the whole appropriation that we are asking for.

Lieut. BRETT. There is another big drain that we made no provision for in the first deficiency estimate, and that is the increased pay for foreign service.

The CHAIRMAN. Of course, we did provide for the increase of pay. Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir; for the increased number of men.

The CHAIRMAN. The $30 increased pay.

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir; I think we gave you the figures. Lieut. Brett is referring to the 20 per cent for the men serving abroad, and the 10 per cent for the officers, foreign service pay. There was no estimate submitted for that.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you included in this estimate a sum sufficient to cover the amount required for the foreign pay of officers and men?

Gen. SHARPE. It is estimated that one-half of the officers and enlisted men provided for in the estimates will be on foreign service for the entire year.

The CHAIRMAN. For what length of time?

Gen. SHARPE. Two million thirty-three thousand four hundred and forty-five for one-half year or one-half of those men for all the year. Those two amounts, if you would like to hear them, are officers, $10,206,055.07, and for the men, $80,065,805.20. There was appropriated in the annual appropriation bill $250,000 for officers and $800,000 for men; that is just for the men of the Regular Army serving abroad.

PAY OF ENLISTED MEN OF THE LINE AND STAFF.

The CHAIRMAN. For "enlisted men of the line," you are asking $476,449,236?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In the last deficiency bill

Gen. SHARPE. You gave us $39,390,000 and $226,882,560 under the urgent deficiency bill."

The CHAIRMAN. In the deficiency bill we made provision authorizing the payment of $100 a month for enlisted men in training for the Officers' Reserve Corps.

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And in the Army bill an item was carried to cover civilian military training?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In which of these estimates is it included?

Gen. SHARPE. We have not estimated for that any more.

Capt. DALY. As a matter of fact, they have been paid out of the

pay of the Army.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there included in this estimate the estimate of the enlisted men of the Signal Corps, Aviation Section?

Lieut. BRETT. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. They are not included?

Lieut. BRETT. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In this army of 2,033,000 are the enlisted men in the Aviation Corps included or are they additional?

Lieut. BRETT. They are additional.

The CHAIRMAN. I understood you to say that some of this money would be spent before the end of this calendar year?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. The total appropriation was $436,000,000?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir. We have left $391,000,000, with some payments for July. That is, on Friday, July 27, there was only $391,000,000 left. That does not include any amount required for July payments that have been authorized and charged against the appropriation.

The CHAIRMAN. You had a million men and officers, and the cost was about $54,000,000 a month. You will not have over a million men during this calendar year?

Capt. DALY. Yes, sir.

Lieut. BRETT. We are supposed to have more than 2,000,000 on September 1.

The CHAIRMAN. Of course, you will not have 2,000,000 men. There is no possible chance of having 2,000,000 men on the 1st of September.

Capt. DALY. We will have at least a million, because the draft will bring 656,000.

The CHAIRMAN. If you had practically a million men from the 1st of July, this money would last you how long?

Capt. DALY. About $60,000,000 a month for a million men and officers.

The CHAIRMAN. It would last you eight months.

Gen. SHARPE. It will not last more than six months. It costs $60,000,000 a month for a million men and officers.

The CHAIRMAN. $54,000,000, according to your own figures. We gave you on the basis of eight months, and on some items we gave you the full amount.

Lieut. BRETT. It is $716,000,000 for the year. If it was $720,000,000 it would be even $60,000,000 a month. For 2,33,0000 men the pay estimate is approximately $90,000,000 a month.

NOTE. The pay needed for one year is $1.156,167,828.28: or $96,347,319.02 monthly.

The $716,000,000 is the amount needed in addition to that already appropriated.

The CHAIRMAN. You say $60,000,000 a month for a million men? Lieut. BRETT. Yes, sir.

ADDITIONAL PAY OF ENLISTED MEN.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is "For additional pay for length of service of enlisted men of the line, $296.480.08." You had $3,500,000. Why is this additional money required?

Lieut. BRETT. That is made necessary by getting in men who have had service.

The CHAIRMAN. We gave you $3,500,000?

Lieut. BRETT. In the 1918 estimates; yes, sir. That is the regular appropriation $3,500,000.

The CHAIRMAN. In any of these estimates have you made any allowance of any character for the lapses that occur as a result of casualties?

Lieut. BRETT. I do not know that there have been any allowances made. No; we have not made any deductions out of pay proper; we have made no deductions.

The CHAIRMAN. This is on the theory that a man goes right through?

Lieut. BRETT. Yes, sir. We are supposed to keep the force up to its maximum.

The CHAIRMAN. Men who come in now would not get any additional pay for length of service?

Lieut. BRETT. Only where we get men who have had prior service. The CHAIRMAN. They have to come in within a certain period after their first enlistment expires?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes; within three months.

The CHAIRMAN. So that if any of those men die that is eliminated? Gen. SHARPE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. What I asked is this: In arriving at your estimates you make no allowance for the possibilities of casualties but just take the basic pay and make your calculations?

Gen. SHARPE. The basic pay is taken, I think, Mr. Chairman.

SIGNAL CORPS-PAY OF ENLISTED MEN.

(See p. 343.)

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is "Signal Corps: For pay of enlisted men, $350,000." You had $6,379,896?

Gen. SHARPE. This is due to an increase in aviation pay.

Lieut. BRETT. A 50 per cent increase; under the act of July 18, 1914, every man who is an aviation mechanician or a flier in heavierthan-air craft gets an increase of 50 per cent, and this is to cover that. The CHAIRMAN. The pay of enlisted men in the Aviation Corps is already provided for in the aviation appropriation?

Lieut. BRETT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Then why do you want this amount of money? Lieut. BRETT. We do not if that is fully provided for.

The CHAIRMAN. You got $31,000,000 for the pay of enlisted men and civilian employees?

Lieut. BRETT. We are entitled to an unlimited increase under the act of June 3, 1916, in the Regular Army.

The CHAIRMAN. Estimates aggregating $639,000,000 were submitted to Congress and is not the pay included in those estimates? Lieut. BRETT. I did not see those estimates.

The CHAIRMAN. If they were a part of these estimates, then, the money has all been appropriated?

Capt. DALY. I do not think they take in any of the Regular Establishment, although I may be wrong about that.

Lieut. BRETT. We did not see those estimates for the Signal Corps; they are taking something which heretofore has belonged to the Quartermaster Corps, which is charged with the duty of providing pay for officers and enlisted men.

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