made by the Quartermaster General. Now, what their requirements were based upon, Mr. Sherley, I am not able to state now. We can state that as soon as we find out at the office just what they based them on. Mr. SHERLEY. I thought you said that all of this estimate is now based on the contemplated cost of transportation of men and materials for an army of 2,033,000 men; is that true? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir; that is evidenced by the deductions we make here. We have only asked for the difference between the amount that was allotted and the total requirements for 2,033,000 men. course, I will say that it is evident that the allotment made covered more than 1,072,000 men. Mr. SHERLEY. It must have. Capt. DALY. And that is the reason I say that when the branches gave their estimates to the F. and A. division of our office of the amount of funds they would require under each of these items, they must have based it on a larger number of men than we estimated for. Now, to give them these amounts, other amounts probably will have to be reduced. I am only giving this now, as I assume it. I do not know that that is the fact. Mr. SHERLEY. I wish you would ascertain and supply with the table you are going to put in the allotment that has been made under funds now available from the regular bill and the deficiency bill, and wherever the allotment was made on a basis other than 1,000,000 men, by a footnote, indicate what the basis was. Appropriation for transportation of the Army and its supplies. For transportation of the Army Transportation of horse equip- $1,985,420 $20,001, 115.00 $31,865, 475.50 $53, 852, 010.50 $31,865, 475.50 Transportation of animals for the Army.. 375,600 Transportation of funds. 7,600 Pavment of wharfage tolls and ferriages... Drayage and cartage at depots and bosts.. Packing and crating company property and baggage.. Draft and pack animals, purchase of. 706, 159.19 100,000.00 Appropriation for transportation of the Army and its supplies—Continued. Purchase of motor trucks and motor passenger carrying vehicles, including supplies and equipment for operation thereof. 1,989, 492 For purchase and repair of boats for harbor-boat service.. For purchase and repa r of boats for Coast Artillery Service... For the purchase, charter, and operation of transports and indemnity for lost ships and refitting ships.. For a si months' reserve of harness, wagons, halters, saddles, wagon covers, wagon equipment, supplies incident to care of animals, motor truck supplies and equipment, supplies for operation of transports.. Travel allowance, enlisted men on discharge. Other employees. 126, 402, 600.00 127,091, 482.00 255, 483,574.00 947, 261 6,375,000.00 1,927,500.00 8,554, 261.00 7,825, 734.00 2, 455, 510 8,100,000.00 163, 266, 000.00 173,821,510.00 874,000 326,000 64,000,000.00 64,000,000.00 874,000.00 Total. 16,000,000 221,963,745. 42 450, 490, 305.00 688, 454,050. 42 36, 922, 527.08 TRANSPORTATION OF ANIMALS FROM PLACE OF PURCHASE TO REMOUNT DEPOTS. Mr. SHERLEY. Your next item is for the transportation of animals for the Army from places of purchase to remount depots and from depots to the troops at military posts and stations in the field. etc. How much was allotted for that purpose? Capt. DALY. $5,494,220. Mr. SHERLEY. You are now asking for $1,022,530? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. Do you know on what basis the allotment of $5.494,000 was made? Capt. FAIR. In the transportation branch we based our allotments on approximately 500,000 men for the Regular Army, 500,000 men for the National Guard, and 500,000 men for the National Army. When we made up our estimates for animals and wagons in our branch, the last ones we made previous to this one were made on that basis, and there has been no change as to the basis of the estimate, as far as I can learn. Then we added for the transportation of animals the additional number of animals required for the 2.000.000 men. Mr. SHERLEY. You did not add a fixed ratio, evidently, because if it took $5,500,000 for 1,500,000 men, it would take something gore than one million for the additional 500,000 men. Capt. FAIR. The situation had changed somewhat. For instance. they had authorized the construction of auxiliary depots for each division, so that the animals could be bought as near as possible to the troops and led right out of the depot to the troops. Mr. SHERLFY. So that in point of fact by virtue of a new arrangement you figured that it was not going to cost you $5,500,000 for 1.500.000 men, and that therefore your total cost for 2,033,000 men would be approximately $6,500,000, instead of a greater sum, if your unit cost had remained the same? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. Now, in arriving at this new estimate of $6,500,000 for 2.033,000 men and officers, on what basis did you work? How do you figure that cost? Capt. FAIR. This branch did not figure out the allowance. We simply stated the number of animals, and Capt. Daly's branch figured that out. Capt. DALY. This statement shows that they figured on a total of 434,450 animals to be moved at an average price of $15 per head. Mr. SHERLEY. That is their latest figure as to the number of animals necessary for the army of 2,033,000 men. Capt. FAIR. No, sir; that is the number that will have to be moved. There are already a lot of animals in the hands of the Regular Army and the National Guard that are not included. Mr. SHERLEY. But they will have to be moved. Capt. DALY. They are included in this first item. Mr. SHERLEY. Then, to re-form my question, this constitutes an estimate of the number of new animals? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. These animals are based on an estimate having in mind the determination of the department to eliminate the number of Cavalry divisions that they originally figured on? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. And that $15 a head is based on your previous experience as to the cost of movement of them? Capt. FAIR. It is the average cost from the place of purchase to the place of delivery. Mr. SHERLEY. Based on your previous experience? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. TRANSPORTATION OF FUNDS FOR THE ARMY. Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, for the transportation of funds for the Army. How much was allotted previously for this purpose? Capt. DALY. $120,400. Mr. SHERLEY. You are now asking for $25,787.09? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. What is that for-express? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. And insurance-or do you insure? Capt. DALY. No, sir; no insurance. PAYMENT OF WHARFAGES, TOLLS, AND FERRIAGES. Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, for the payment of wharfage, tolls, and ferriages, including the purchase of street car tickets, commutation railroad tickets for transportation of recruits, and recruiting parties, etc. How much was allotted for that purpose? Capt. DALY. $228,000. Mr. SHERLEY. You are now asking for $45,838. How much of that is incident to recruiting? Capt. DALY. Practically $150,000. Mr. SHERLEY. And what was testified heretofore in connection with the item for moving recruits would apply also to this item? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. DRAYAGE AND CARTAGE AT DEPOTS, POSTS, AND STATIONS. Mr. SHERLEY. For drayage and cartage at the several depots and at the posts and stations where Government transportation is not sufficient for the purpose. How much did you allot for that? Capt. DALY. $112,800. Mr. SHERLEY. And you are now asking for $88,412.88? Mr. SHERLEY. All of these figures show that the allotment could not have been made simply upon a million men. Capt. DALY. No. Drayage is figured on a per capita of 24 cents. Mr. SHERLEY. In submitting this detailed statement which I have been reading from put a column showing the allotments made out of the funds in the Regular Army bill and the recent deficiency bill as well as proposed allotment of the submitted estimate, together with an explanation as to the basis on which the allotment was made. Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. PACKING AND CRATING BAGGAGE AND COMPANY PROPERTY. Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is for packing and crating baggage and company property. What was allotted heretofore? Capt. DALY. $70,520. Mr. SHERLEY. You are now asking for $151,038? Capt. DALY. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. Do you figure that on a per capita cost? PURCHASE AND HIRE OF DRAFT AND PACK ANIMALS. (See p. 544.) Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is for draft and pack animals, purchase and hire of them. What was the allotment made out of existing funds for that purpose? Capt. FAIR. $26,500,000, the estimate for additional funds being $41,754,460. Mr. SHERLEY. How much of that was figured for hire of animals? Capt. FAIR. We figured none of that for hire. Mr. SHERLEY. How many animals are expected to be purchased for the $26,500,000? Capt. FAIR. That was not the amount on the recommendation from that branch of the Quartermaster's office. It was arbitrarily cut down to that until the question of transportation could be deter mined. The money asked for is for the purchase of 135,521 draft mules, wheel, at $235 per head. Mr. SHERLEY. The estimate now is $41,754,460 ? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. What have you gotten for the $26,500,000 allotted out of previous funds? Capt. FAIR. These figures were arrived at by taking the organization of the National Army, the Regular Army, and the National Guard as prescribed in this announcement which you have seen, calling for 2,033,000 men, naming the organizations and then subtracting from the total number required to fully equip that organization with animals the number of animals we have on hand already purchased and estimating the amount necessary to buy the balance of the animals fully to equip this organization. Mr. SHERLEY. That does not give me what I am after. You have allotted $26,500,000 for this purpose? Capt. FAIR. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. You have plainly stated what you are going to do with the $41,764,000 now asked for. Certainly you must know what you have either done or expect to do with the $26,500,000 in number of animals. Capt. FAIR. We have already spent quite a large portion of that money in buying animals and mules, draft and pack, for the Regular Army. Mr. SHERLEY. I understand that, Captain. What I want to ascertain is actually the number of animals that you have secured with that money or expect to secure? Capt. FAIR. I will have to give you that. On hand with the Regular Army, 10,618 draft mules, 3,722 pack mules, 1,315 riding mules-more than that Mr. SHERLEY. You figure now to get 135,521 mules? Capt. FAIR. More than that. The same number of lead mules, 51,550 pack mules. Mr. SHERLEY. A total of how many? Capt. FAIR. Three hundred and thirty-five thousand six hundred and forty-one. Mr. SHERLEY. All at the same price? Capt. FAIR. Wheel mules, $235, approximately; lead mules, $190; and pack mules, $165 to $190. Mr. SHERLEY. How many animals do you expect to have when you have gotten this number, and the difference between that number and this number will indicate the number you have now on hand and expect to get out of the funds heretofore appropriated? Capt. FAIR. The total number we will have after we buy all the animals we want? Mr. SHERLEY. Yes; all you now ask the money for. Capt. FAIR. 241,080 draft mules, 46,412 pack mules, and 12,300 riding mules, and 20 per cent added to that for supplying losses of the campaign would add 20 per cent to those figures-289,986 draft mules, 55,694 pack mules, and 14,760 riding mules. Mr. SHERLEY. A grand total of how many? Capt. FAIR. 360,440. Mr. SHERLEY. How do you buy these animals? |