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one year's supply of tentage. There is included in the cost the value of the tentage with which the troops are supplied for one year; as I understand, the value of that tentage is $15,612,000?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. Your statement also shows for the Regular Army construction, under the various heads indicated above, an estimated expenditure of $8,923,596, and for the Coast Artillery an estimated expenditure of $3,462,000; for ice plants abroad, $6,000,000; at Englewood, N. J., $15,239,500

Col. LITTELL (interposing). That is for the port of embarkation.
Mr. SHERLEY. And for Newport News, Va., a total of $15,050,000.
Col. LITTELL. That is the same.
Mr. SHERLEY. For quartermaster reserve camp, $5,450,000.
Col. LITTELL. That is a training camp for about 20,000 men.

Mr. SHERLEY. And storage at embarkation ports, $7,000,000, and for an additional cantonment at embarkation ports, $7,500,000. Then an estimate of changing National Guard camps into cantonments of $74,120,000; field and base hospitals, $26,785,594. This would show a grand total of $295,146,215. Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. This latter figure, I understand from informal talk, does not include, however, the $15,612,000 item, which is for tentage for a year?

Col. LITTELL. That is it exactly.

Mr. SHERLEY. You have a total of funds made available in the act of June 15 for cantonment construction of $83,259,525, and you have estimates submitted of $200,871,134, and have made a new estimate of the total amount required to complete the cantonments and the camps converted into cantonments of $12,697,556, to which should be applied a credit of $1,682,000 due to an excess allotment not now contemplated as needed for regular supplies, and leaving a net additional estimate now suggested of $11,015,556, which, together with the estimate regularly before the committee, would make a grand total of $211,886,690 as necessary if the program upon which these estimates are submitted should be carried out in its entirety, that program involving the conversion of 16 National Guard camps into cantonments, and also including the items that have been read touching other buildings in the way of embarkation base facilities?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. If that program was carried out, it would involve the use of tents for the 16 camps during a period, you think

20 and three or four months?

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peri,-1. Sherley, up to the would mean that the tentage cost would be here estimated, or, instead of $15,612,000, esumably some of the units $5,204,000 ? Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

figure that you might regard Mr. SHERLEY. Or a net difference that has been done and what it

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would involve a cost of changing to cantonment construction of $74,120,000, or a net change of sixty-three million six hundred odd thousand dollars!

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir. Mr. SHERLEY. Would this change make any change in the number of men that could be accommodated?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. To what extent?
Maj. Gunby. It would provide for 575,872 men.
Mr. SHERLEY. As against what number?

Maj. GUNBY. Three hundred and ninety-seven thousand two hundred and forty-nine.

Mr. SHERLEY. Or would provide additional accommodations for how many?

Maj. Gunby. One hundred and seventy-eight thousand six hundred and twenty-three men.

Mr. SHERLEY. Using the figure of 575,872 men and eliminating the item of tentage entirely, what would be the per capita cost for the 575,000 men?

Maj. GUNBY. One hundred and seventy dollars; that is, with the tentage eliminated.

Mr. SHERLEY. Your per capita cost for the original cantonments is $158?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. There would be a difference of $12 per capita as a result of this work being done in this method instead of being done in the first instance as the 16 cantonments were ?

Maj. Gunby. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. If to that is added the cost of the tentage of some $5,000,000 used for four months—I believe you assume that that tentage would be worn out with that use there would be that much additional which would raise your per capita cost to how much?

Maj. GUNBY. About $179.
Mr. SHERLEY. So as to make a real difference of about $21 per man?
Maj. GUNBY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. How many men will be accommodated in the cantonments for the Regular Årmy!

Mr. SHERLEY. 644,540. The CHAIRMAN. So that there will be total accommodations in the mns and cantonments for 1,041,789 men?

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The CHAIRMAN. How many men has provision been made for in the cantonments of the Regular Army at the regular posts and other places ?

Col. LITTELL. I will have to ascertain that. The CHAIRMAN. Please put that figure in the record. Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir. NOTE.-This figure is 149,881 men for the Regular Army and recruit depots. Many of these cantonments, which are mostly additions to existing posts, are for only a few hundred men each. There are 10 of those cantonments for 5,000 or more men each, with a total capacity of 64,185 men.

Mr. SHERLEY. Colonel, the work at these cantonments has now progressed to a point where it is contemplated that all of them will be ready for some of the troops by the 1st of September?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir. There will be a number of them that will be ready probably to receive all the troops they are expected to receive, but there will be a few of them that on account of many difficulties in the way of transportation, getting pipe, and things of that sort will be a little backward.

The CHAIRMAN. When is it expected that these cantonments and camps will be fully completed, assuming that no change is made in the camps from camps to cantonments?

Col. LITTELL. All of the camps for the National Guard should be completed by the 1st of September, and the cantonments should be completed by the 1st of November. By that I mean the auxiliary things like laundries, steam heat, and things of that kind. The steam heating and other heating we are letting drag a little in order to get the other work done.

Mr. SHERLEY. This financial statement is based upon allotments heretofore made for the various work under the headings indicated on it.

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. Has your actual cost for doing the various kinds of work indicated under these different headings been figured out sufficiently to enable you to say whether these allotments will be adequate or excessive or insufficient?

Col. LITTELL. So far as we know now they will be adequate. Of course, we have not got all of our expense accounts in.

Mr. SHERLEY. But to what extent have you got them in? Have you got them in to a sufficient extent to enable you to determine with any fair degree of accuracy what, for instance, barracks and quarters are going to cost and what water and sewerage is going to cost, and the various other heads?

Col. LITTELL. We can only estimate that, Mr. Sherley, up to the present time.

Mr. SHERLEY. Of course, it must remain an estimate until the work is finally done and paid for; but presumably some of the units have been so completed as to give you a figure that you might regard as constant for similar units, and what I am trying to get at is whether, having in mind the work that has been done and what it has cost, your allotments here now represent in all probability what the finished work will cost ?

Col. LITTELL. We have a large table which comes in at stated periods showing by curves just what percentage of the various kinds of work have been completed. For instance, this is the space set aside for the

whole job. If it went along perfectly smoothly we will say this would represent the line. Our curve, of course, usually starts out on the under side of the line, and we can tell by the position of the curve, either under the line or above it, whether we are ahead or behind on the work and just what percentage is done.

Mr. SHERLEY. That shows progress, but I am speaking now of cost.

Col. LITTELL. Of course we have to figure the cost with the percentage of progress, and we have not got anything yet that we can say is absolutely accurate as to the cost of the units except for the cntire work as far as we have gone. We say we have got so much done and it has cost so much, and we can only make an estimate in that way.

Mr. SHERLEY. I thought it might be possible from the reports you obtained from the contractors in the various places and from your quartermaster officers in charge to state whether they expect to be able to complete the work within the allotments that were made. I presume the allotments were made upon a unit basis in the first instance?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, have these reports that have come in been sufficient to enable you to accurately state whether you are going to keep within the figures that are here submitted ?

Col. LITTELL. I do not think it is possible, Mr. Sherley, to get an accurate statement as to what it is going to cost; but we are getting figures from the various cantonments constructing quartermasters, and in case we find that we are going to run over a little bit we are going to cut out some of the things that can be cut out under a stress. We can reduce the cost a little in some things so it will not run over. We are trying to watch that.

Mr. SHERLEY. Your camps show a cost of $39,139,000, and they will be ready on the 1st of September, you say?

Col. LITTELL. We expect to have them all ready by the 1st of September. For instance, take a place like Deming, N. Mex., it is very difficult to get labor and it is quite difficult to get electric power. We have got to get the machinery for it; but some of the camps will be ready in a few days—that is, to take the first lot of men they wish to send there.

Mr. SHERLEY. In the event you were to transform these camps into cantonments, is it your idea that that work can be carried on after the State guard troops have been put in camp there?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. Could it be carried on without interference?

Col. LITTELL, I do not see how it could without some inconvenience. We might arrange it so there would not be very much interference, but there would be some inconvenience. Of course there would be a lot of the ground that they could not possibly use on account of industrial railways and ditching machinery and piles of lumber and all that sort of thing.

Mr. SHERLEY. Have you any estimate as to the time it would take to convert these camps into cantonments?

Col. LITTELL. No, sir; we have not made any estimate, but we hope we will have a little more time than we have had on these can tonments.

Mr. SHERLEY. What do you mean by that? What is your idea as to the time it will take !

Col. LITTELL. We ought to have a good full three months, at least.

Mr. SHERLEY. So that for those three months these camps would have to remain practically as camps, with the men using tentage?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. I notice in this financial statement that you have a statement as to the cost of the tentage which totals $15,612,000, and that that latter sum was included in the total of $39,139,000 which the camps are to cost.

Col. LITTELL. That is right.

Mr. SHERLEY. This tentage, as I believe you have testified heretomore, is a part of the regular equipment that goes to the National Guard ?

Col. LITTELL. Part of the regular supply; yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. It would go to them irrespective of whether it was used in these camps or not?

Col. LITTELL. Normally; yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. When the National Guard shall have been sent abroad would that tentage be a part of the equipment that would accompany them?

Col. LITTELL. I can only reply to that, Mr. Sherley, from hearsay. I have heard it remarked that they were not going to take any tentage, but the Quartermaster General can tell you better about that. Gen. SHARPE. For the present they will not take any tentage. Mr. SHERLEY. This tentage, of course, is in existence? Gen. SHARPE. No, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. If the National Guard are expected to go into these camps about the 1st of September, presumably provision has been made to supply this tentage.

Gen. SHARPE. Oh, yes; that is true. So far as the National Guard are concerned, by the utmost difficulty we have been able to secure that tentage.

Mr. SHERLEY. Irrespective of the difficulty in getting it, it is in existence, is it not?

Gen. SHARPE. We hope to have it by the time they are called;
Mr. SHERLEY. By the 1st of September.
Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. It will be in existence at that time?
Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir; sufficient for these camps.

Mr. SHERLEY. Now, one of the reasons, I believe, which has been urged for the change of these camps into cantonments is that this tentage will wear out in the course of a few months and would have to be resupplied; is that true?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. Colonel, these headings, like " Barracks and quarters," "Water and sewers,” etc., are the headings that correspond to the paragraphs in the appropriations from which you get your money?

Col. LITTELL. Yes, sir; we work under the same headings that appear in the appropriations.

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