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ROAD REPAIRS,

The CHAIRMAN. For road repairs you ask $10,000.

Gen. CROZIER. That is the same thing that we have with us so much. The roads are greatly needed out there. That estimate was made before. I think it was not included in the bill for 1918.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; it was. It was considered, but not allowed.

FRANKFORD ARSENAL, PA.

For the Frankford Arsenal, Pa., you are asking, all told, $2,630,000. Do you want to make any general statement first about this arsenal ?

Gen. CROZIER. Frankford Arsenal is a very important manufacturing and storage establishment for the Army or Ordnance Department. They make there small-arms ammunition, Field Artillery ammunition, and what we call fire-control instruments—that is, sights, telescopes, and instruments of that kind. It is a very active place and employs now over 4,000 men. It is a place where we have recently bought some extra land, but without having at the time any very extensive projects of improvement for covering the land with buildings. There have been continually made for a series of years appropriations for storehouses and for increased facilities for manufacture at the Frankford Arsenal, and $732,000 was appropriated for the current fiscal year.

Some of the estimates which are now before you are made necessary because the appropriations heretofore made were based upon estimates which were not suflicient. They did not appreciate the price of construction or the cost of construction, and that has been à common failure in the vicinity of Philadelphia. I have here a newspaper clipping showing something of the experience of the city government in the early part of July with reference to the same subject. When some bids were opened for construction in connection with the city's high-speed transit line they were found to be from 50 to 60 per cent more than was estimated by the city government, and it was necessary to reject the bids.

PRIMER SHOP AND PLANNING ROOM.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, you are asking $35,000 as an additional amount for a primer shop and planning room. We gave you $165,000 for this purpose.

Gen. CROZIER. That is due to the increased cost of labor and materials since the time the estimates were submitted.

TWO SETS OF DOUBLE QUARTERS FOR OFFICERS.

The CHAIRMAN. You are asking $10,000 for two sets of double quarters for officers, and we have already given you $30,000 for this purpose.

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; and that is for the same reason. It is due to increased cost. There is no difference in the project.

WALL AND PICKET FENCE.

The CHAIRMAN. The next is," For additional amount for a combination wall and picket fence along the north side and a picket fence along the east and south sides for the arsenal reservation, $12,000." We have already given you $20,000 for this purpose.

Gen. CROZIER. That is the same thing. We invited bids under the appropriation, but all of the bids were in excess of the amount of the appropriation.

The CHAIRMAN. Is there any necessity for a wall along there at all ? Was this contemplated in connection with the fixing of a sidewalk?

Gen. CROZIER. No, sir. There was something that we asked for that purpose the last time we were before you, but it was not appropriated. This relates only to that appropriation which was made. Along one side there is no fence at all, and along the other two sides there is a very old and inadequate fence, that being the side where a good division is most necessary. We are asking for a combination wall and picket fence on top of it.

ROADS AND RAILROAD SIDING.

The CHAIRMAN. For the construction and repair of roads, including railroad siding, you ask $20,000. We have already appropriated $10,000 for this purpose.

Gen CROZIER. That is not altogether on account of increased cost. It is necessary to construct some new roads which are needed because of some new buildings which are going up, and it is also to place the present roads in good condition. Of course, you know that around a manufacturing plant it is necessary to have the roads in good condition for economy of transportation.

EXTENSION OF HIGH-EXPLOSIVE LOADING SHOP.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is, “ For additional amount for extension of high-explosive loading shop, $4,000.” We have already appropriated for this purpose $10,000.

Gen. CROZIER. That is because of the increased cost of construction.

PAINT SHOP.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is, “For additional amount for paint shop, $10,000." We have already appropriated for this purpose $30,000.

Gen. CROZIER. That is for the same reason.

ARTILLERY FIRING RANGE.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is, "For additional for Artillery firing range, including an explosion chamber, $25,000.” We have already appropriated for this purpose $75,000.

Gen. CROZIER. That is for the same reason.

The CHAIRMAN. There was not anything there that would cost anything except a chamber, was there?

Gen. CROZIER. There was some wall construction along with it.

Mr. Sisson. Would the wall construction make the difference of $25,000?

Gen. CROZIER. The wall and chamber. Pretty much all of that is for construction of some kind. It is all for construction.

Mr. Sisson. It is all for improvements on land that you already have?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir.

SMALL-ARMS FIBING RANGE.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is, “For additional amount for small-arms firing range, including a proof house and target, $35,000.” You already have had $25,000 for this purpose.

Gen. Crozier. That is partly due to a change in prices and partly due to the fact that we have made the project a little larger. We intend to have three firing places. We intend to have three instead of one, so that three times the amount of firing can be conducted at the same time. That results from out getting a whole lot of smallarms ammunition from private manufacturers, and we expect to do a good deal of testing there. A good deal of it will be in ma

chine guns.

INCREASING FACILITIES FOR FIRE PROTECTION.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is, “For increasing the facilities for fire protection, including alteration of the power house and the construction of a conduit from the Delaware River to the power plant, $130,000." That is something new.

Gen. CROZIER. No, sir; that is not new. Congress appropriated for that project $19,000 in the sundry civil act of August 1, 1914, and that proving inadequate it was increased by $24,000 in the sundry civil act of July 1, 1916. Now, the appropriations were made in such a way that this latter amount of $24,000 was not a permanent appropriation, and it was not adequate to carry out the project when added to the $19,000—that is to say, $13,000 was not adequate, and it has been allowed to lapse at the close of the fiscal year 1917. with the exception of $2,000 which had been paid for engineering work. Now, I am not positive that we should carry that project that was developing so expensively in its expensive form, and, therefore, I will ask you, instead of appropriating $130,000, to just reappropriate the expired $22,000 of the act of July 1, 1916. That will leave us, then, the original $19,000 appropriation, and the $22,000 of the act of July 1 1916, and the benefit of the $2,000 which has been expended for engineering work. You will make that appropriation $22,000, and, if you like, or think it desirable, you can make it appear that it is a reappropriation of a lapsed appropriation.

The CHAIRMAN. You are getting back to the original project ?
Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. At the rate it was progressing, we would have to get a guarantee that it would not be further increased.

Gen. (ROZIER. They were carrying it too far. I am not prepared to ask $130,000 now.

EXTENSION OF BARRACKS BUILDING.

The (CHAIRMAN. For the extension of barracks building you ask $30,000.

Gen. (ROZLER. The barracks building has accommodations for only 35 men. Now, the enlisted strength of the detachment at Frankford Arsenal in normal times is about 60 men, a part of whom are allowed to live outside of the arsenal grounds. There not only is not room now to hold the whole detachment, but the detachment ought to be increased, or we ought to have more men there all the time undergoing training for the usual work in the issuing of ordnance supplies that are necessary for the army which we are raising. Most of our depots are movable and move with the iarge tactical organizations, such as divisions. The arsenals are the best schools we have for them.

The CHAIRMAN. How many men would this provide accommodations for?

Gen. CROZIER. It should provide accommodations for about 25 or 30 men. I think we could get that many in there.

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The CHAIRMAX. The next item is “For a lumber storehouse, $30,000."

Gen. Crozier. That is a new estimate. It is intended to provide a building about 58 by 145 feet, with sliding doors in the walls, and composing most of the walls; a sort of a closed building with movable sides, one story high. Most of the lumber used at the arsenal is for packing boxes, and a good deal of it has to be stored there.

POWER PLANT.

The CILARMAN. The next item is “ For improving power plant, $205,000."

Gen. CROZIER. Of that sum $175,000 is for a turbo-generator set and about $30,000 for boiler capacity.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the necessity for this expenditure?

Gen. (ROZIER. It is to provide additional reserve power for the present requirements and also for certain extensions; we are making extensions all the time, although not very great ones.

The CHAIRMAN. How long would it take to put in this power plant?

Gen. CROZIER. We can get that in by the winter, I think. The winter time is the time when we must draw to the greatest extent on our boiler capacity because we must heat the shops. The plant now consists of one 150-kilowatt generator; one 350-kilowatt generator; one 250-kilowatt generator; and one 75-kilowatt generator. In the winter season, in fact, in all busy seasons, this does not leave any reserve to fall back on at all. In addition to that, we have to rent electricity from a neighboring power plant.

Mr. Sisson. What did the power plant originally cost?
Gen. CROZIER. I have not those figures with me.

Mr. Sisson. $205.000 buys a considerable power plant, even at the present prices.

Gen. CROZIER. $175,000 will be for a 2,500-kilowatt turbo-generator unit and its installation; that will pretty much use it up.

Mr. Sisson. Is not that pretty high for that much machinery?

Gen. CROZIER. I do not think we could get it for any less. As I say, we are renting power there now and we could make it cheaper; we are increasing the plant all the time and I think it will be a good investment.

OFFICE BUILDING.

The CHAIRMAN. The next item is “ For an office building, $200,000."

Gen. CROZIER. We have been badly off for an office building at the Frankford Arsenal for a long time. The present office building will not provide but for a small part of the office force; the office force is consequently scattered all over the arsenal in all sorts of buildings, in storehouses, in buildings that have been used for shops, and used for various other purposes. Proper administration under these circumstances is very diflicult. When I speak of the office force I mean also to include the draftsmen, of whom a number are employed at the arsenal. It will require this amount of money to get them together in a single building where, of course, they ought to be.

The CHAIRMAN. What kind of a building do you contemplate?

Gen. CROZIER. Most of the buildings at the Frankford Arsenal are brick buildings. This one might be built of reinforced concrete; it will be built either of that or of brick, and would probably be a building with considerably more window space and less wall space than the old office building or the greater number of the buildings that are now used at the arsenal. We would try to have it harmonize with most of the new construction which we have going on at the arsenal, which would be something like a building shown on this sketch (indicating].

Mr. Sisson. How many stories high is that building to be?
Gen. CROZIER. I think we would make that a three-story building.
Mr. Sisson. I thought that little plan would show it.

Gen. CROZIER. That is another building, which I showed you; I said it would harmonize with that building, and I will come to that building in a minute.

SEA WALL.

The C'HAIRMAX. The next item is, “For a sea wall along the Delaware River, $36,000.”

Gen. Crozier. An appropriation has been made for magazines, which it is intended to place along the river front on the land which has recently been acquired. When the money was appropriated for the magazines I hoped that there would be enough for a sea wall, but it has not turned out to be sullicient; so in order to get a sea wall we will have to have this $36,000. I think it had better be appropriated for as a sea wall rather than as an addition to the amount appropriated for the magazines, because it is a rather separate proposition.

The CHAIRMAN. How much of a sea wall is to be put there?

Gen. Crozier. I have not the plot of the arsenal with me, but I will insert that answer.

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