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and drafting force overflowed the office building long ago and a good part of it is installed in the shop buildings. The use of the plant now at the rate which it is necessary and desirable to use it calls for this space in the manufacturing and shop buildings to be used for the purpose for which it was intended, and that these clerical people better be gotten out of the shop buildings. This would mean that they will have to be put somewhere, and the best place to put them would be the place where it was intended to put them in the first place--that is, in the office building.

Mr. SHERLEY. What is the extension proposed?

Gen. CROZIER. In this sketch [indicating] the flat-roofed building shows the proposed addition. You will notice that it is considerably larger than the building to which it is an addition.

Mr. SHERLEY. You had an estimate for this same purpose last year of $100,000!

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir. It has gone up to $170,000, as you see.

Mr. SHERLEY. Is that due to increased cost or enlargement of the plant?

Gen. CROZIER. It is due to both. In the scheme under which the new artillery vehicle plant is being constructed it provides, as I have explained, for the use of the plant as a storehouse. This new artillery vehicle plant makes no provision for the offices that are now located in one of the shop buildings that is being vacated. It was intended in this change that these people who are in the office would go where they belonged that is, into the office building.

Mr. SHERLEY. How soon can you complete this building!

Gen. CROZIER. The offices will, of course, have to be changed from where they are now, because they relate partly to the work that is in the shop buildings, and the new buildings for replacing those shop buildings are approximately half a mile away, so the clerks will have to be moved out from where they are, if for no other reason than the remoteness from the place that their work relates to. You asked me how soon I expected to get into that building. I can only make a general estimate. It is a permanent building and as it does not require any special equipment which has to be installed in it after its completion or in the process of its completion, I think that we might get the building in seven or eight months, if we have good luck.

Mr. SHERLEY. How much of this $70,000 represents an increased cost over last year's estimate and how much for the increase in space?

Gen. CROZIER. I have not that here.

Mr. SHERLEY. Please state approximately how much increase in space there is over the last plan, any additional stories or just additional ground area?

Gen. CROZIER. Additional ground area. It is about the same height as it was expected to be before. I can supply that.

ADDITIONAL FOR PLANT FOR MANUFACTURE OF RIFLE AND HAND GRENADES.

Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is “For additional for a plant for the manufacture of rifle and hand grenades, including necessary buildings, etc., $75,000." You had $125,000?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir. That is principally due to the increased cost of labor and materials. In fact, it is entirely due to that. With

the money that is available a plant of very much less capacity than that which was originally contemplated could now be provided, but it would be so small that it would not be economical of operation. It would not be very much more than a large mechanical laboratory.

Mr. SHERLEY. What capacity did you contemplate in the original estimate?

Gen. CROZIER. Five thousand rounds a day.

Mr. SHERLEY, This estimate is simply to enable you to get that amount?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. SHERLEY. And if you do not get it, you will have only —

Gen. CROZIER (interposing). I do not believe we will have over 3,000.

SYNCHRONOUS MOTOR FOR ARMORY SHOP. Mr. SHERLEY. For a synchronous motor for the armory shop you ask $15,000.

Gen. CROZIER. The armory shops are the shops in which rifles are made, as distinguished from the shops in which the ordinary equipments are made, the shops in which the artillery vehicles are made, and the shops in which the saddlery, harness, etc., are made. These shops are at the corner of the plant farthest removed from the power house, and the drop in the current by the time it gets to this shop is so great that there is difficulty in running the motors, which are of the type known as induction motors. To get over that difficulty, this new motor for these particular shops is needed.

Mr. SHERLEY. When you get your new power plant will you have that difficulty ?

Gen. CROZIER. Probably not.
Mr. SHERLEY. How soon could you get this motor?
Gen. CROZIER. We could get that motor practically immediately.

Mr. SHERLEY. Well, is the situation acute enough to make desirable the expenditure of this amount of money?

Gen. CROZIER. I think it is such as to justify $15,000. Now, looking at this sketch sindicating], here is the dam with the power house on it, and here [indicating] is the shop in which we will put this motor.

Mr. SHERLEY. Have you not bad transmission, if you lose power in that distance?

Gen. CROZIER. Well, the current is transmitted at 600 volts, and it would be better to transmit it at a higher voltage, and that is what we hope to do, or expect to do, in the future.

Mr. SHERLEY. That is not very far to be carrying electricity nowadays.

Gen. CROZIER. No, sir; but when electricity is carried over a greater distance, there must be a correspondingly expensive installation for carrying it.

LIGHTING FACILITIES.

Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is "For lighting facilities for shops, $30,000.”

Gen. CROZIER. This is intended for putting better facilities in four of the shops which are not very well provided for. The shops are

now running on a two-shift basis, and a great deal of the work is at night, and they need better lighting.

Mr. SHERLEY. What does it consist of-having more incandescent lights?

Gen. CROZIER. Well, it consists of putting in additional lights, and they probably will be of the incandescent type, but I am not certain about that. I have not examined into the type that it is proposed to put in.

SMALL-ARMS TARGET RANGE. Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, "For a small-arms target range, including necessary buildings, etc., $80,000.”

Gen. CROZIER. This contemplates the construction of a range located in a tunnel lined with reinforced concrete. The firing point will be located in one of the two shops which are called armory shops. This will be much more convenient, because the present target range is situated over on the opposite side of the row of shops in a wooden building, which is about 12 years old. Looking at this sketch [indicating), these two shops [indicating) are the armory shops where the rifles are made. The present rifle range is in a long wooden building shown here. It is proposed to put the new rifle range in a tunnel in this position [indicating], with the firing point situated in the courtyard of this shop. This wooden building is falling to pieces, after the fashion of wooden buildings. It is not a very substantial building, and there will have to be spent a considerable sum on repairs if we do not build a new range. The saving of time and the better facilities for carrying on the work justify the new range.

Mr. SHERLEY. Can you get along without it?

Gen. CROZIER. We can really get along with it. It is not an absolute necessity.

Mr. SHERLEY. It will be some time before you could get it in use?

Gen. CROZIER. I think we could pretty nearly measure that time in weeks instead of months.

Mr. SHERLEY. What would it cost to repair the old building, or would you have to repair it?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; and it would cost about a couple of thousand dollars.

EXTENSION TO CARPENTER SHOP, Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, “For an extension to the carpenter shop, $60,000.”

Gen. CROZIER. The carpenter shop is very fully occupied. It is used for making targets and saddle frames, also a great quantity of packing boxes. Packing boxes and targets have to be made in very large numbers. We propose with this appropriation to put a sawtoothed covering over the space between these two shops [indicating]. It will be a saw-toothed roof, and we would put there certain machinery.

Mr. SHERLEY. Would you be able to use that sort of open area?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; we could use that space. We could put certain machines in there.

Mr. SHERLEY. Would you close the ends?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; we would close the ends and heat it. We would have to heat it and practically close it in. We could put a

machine in there--the one called the matching machine, which matches up the sides of boxes. That would turn out about five times as much work as the machine we have now. We have no place to put it.

Mr. SHERLEY. Does this include machinery, or have you got the machinery!

Gen. CROZIER. Now, I do not know; I can not say; but I will not ask any other appropriation for machinery. This will either include the machinery or we will take it out of funds available for the pur. pose. I have a little fund, you know, which is directly appropriated for machinery.

Mr. SHERLEY. Is your congestion such as to make this necessary! Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; I think so.

BUILDING FOR STORING LUMBER.

Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, "For a building for storing lumber, $25,000."

Gen. CROZIER. We expect to make that a steel building and put it down near the present lumber shed, which is of brick. This is made necessary because we have to store a large amount of hardwood lumber now, particularly for artillery wheels and artillery poles. We have to store it for some time. It is very hard to get well-seasoned lumber.

Mr. SHERLEY. Couldn't you do the same thing here and put it between two other buildings?

Gen. CROZIER. Well, the estimate for covering over that place with a saw-toothed roof was $60,000, and this estimate is only $25,000.

Mr. SHERLEY. I do not know whether the $60,000 is for a roof alone, or for a lot of other things.

Gen. CROZIER. I think that this $25,000 will be better expended in this way than in covering over a space between two buildings, because, among other reasons, it will be near the railroad track or on the side of it. It will be down among the other tracks.

Mr. SHERLEY. You have not enough storage facilities there now? Gen. CROZIER. No, sir.

Mr. SHERLEY. Are these conditions growing out of the increased use of the arsenals or are they simply conditions which have been more or less unsatisfactory and are now being urged in this era of much spending?

Gen. CROZIER. They have grown to a considerable extent out of the increased use of the arsenal, and particularly out of the enlargement of the arsenal. You see, we are making a considerable enlargement of this arsenal. We are putting in there a large additional artillery vehicle-manufacturing plant

Mr. SHERLEY (interposing). Which you will not have for a year or more.

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; and we will have to get ready for it. The, we are putting in a very considerable artillery ammunition-manufacturing plant. Now, it had been decided to put those things in anyway before we entered the war, and these other things would have come along in the course of time. Those which were needed before we could get them, would have induced inconvenience and increased expense, which we would have supported, as we always do, when we

have to follow the slow processes of normal times in caring for the improvement of the plant, but now we are going ahead with the plant so hard that the argument for doing these things quickly gets more force.

REPLACING OLD AND WORN-OUT MACHINERY IN ARMORY SHOPS.

Mr. SHERLEY. The next item is, “ For procuring additional and replacing old and worn-out machinery in armory shops, $125,000.”

Gen. CROZIER. Does it say " in armory shops"?
Mr. SHERLEY. Yes; "in armory shops.”
Gen. CROZIER. I wish you would leave out that word“ armory.”
Mr. CANNON. Why?

Gen. CROZIER. The armory shops are the ones in which rifles only are made. We have 10 shops there, and only 2 of them come under the designation of armory shops.

Mr. CANNON. You want it to apply to all the shops?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; I would like to have it available for all the shops.

Mr. SHERLEY. What is the reason for it!

Gen. CROZIER. This is for replacing old machinery. New machinery is required in various of the shops. I have a list of it here.

Mr. SHERLEY. But you have a fund, have you not, for the machinery necessary in manufacturing most of the material that you make, and do you not from time to time get new machinery out of appropriations for the finished article itself!

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir; that is true, but it is not sufficient for a considerable estimate like this.

Mr. SHERLEY. What is this for? Give us some of the big items!

Gen. CROZIER. I want to get about a dozen polishing lathes and certain machinery that goes with them. One is called a balancing tool, and we want exhaust piping for these machines to carry off the dust. This also includes 11 presses and 1 shaper, making about 25 machine tools altogether.

Mr. SHERLEY. This is needed for the economical running of this plant?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes, sir.

RAILROAD CRANE.

Mr. SHERLEY. “For a railroad crane, $5,000.”

Gen. CROZIER. I need that for unloading heavy machinery and other heavy weights which are now unloaded by hand with a block and tackle.

Mr. SHERLEY. Is there enough of that to warrant a crane just for that purpose?

Gen. CROZIER. Yes; we have a great deal of it. There is a great deal of iron and steel which comes in there, and the amount of it will increase now with the additions to the plant.

Mr. SHERLEY. Are you going to be able to get this machinery and this crane for the price you are estimating, or are you coming back next year with an additional estimate?

Gen. CROZIER. I hope we will be able to get it for this amount, because if I do not I will have to do without it so much the longer.

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