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Mr. WHITTEN. Let me proceed one step further. Under the acreage reserve you didn't require that farmer to do a thing in the world except sit down and pick up his check. He didn't have to plant seed one, he didn't have to terrace, he didn't have to do anything.

Mr. McLain. Oh, yes. He had to control the weeds and see that anything else didn't grow up. That is part of the provision.

Mr. WHITTEN. He didn't have to seed.
Mr. McLain. That is right.

Mr. WHITTEN. I am pointing out why I think this whole program is unsound. Do you realize that the whole price-support program of the Department of Agriculture, covering all commodities, operated with no more total loss than $613 million for a total 10-year period ?

Mr. McLain. You have missed one big plus that I think ought to be in the record, Congressman Whitten. Obviously this amount of stuff that wasn't produced is a potential that can be produced. I think most of us agree that we would rather see a little of this stored there than to have it stored outside, if that is possible. That is the concept.

Mr. WHITTEN. Stored where?
Mc McLAIN. In the soil.

Mr. WHITTEN. Under acreage reserve you didn't require storing in the soil.

Mr. McLain. If you don't take plant food out you leave it in the soil.

Mr. WHITTEN. I think you will agree that, having acreage controls, it has been to the interest of all farmers to use all the fertilizer the land would take. By and large, all farmers today in controlled crops are to the extent possible putting back in the soil everything they take out, are they not?

Mr. McLain. That is right. All I am saying is, taking a hundred bushels of corn off an acre of land on Congressman Andersen's farm, when you take that off it is gone, you have to put it back. If you had left it there you would have saved something. That is all I am saying.

Mr. WHITTEN. I don't agree you can claim credit for all that reduction, personally. That is a matter of opinion and everybody is entitled to his. But taking your own picture you have spent $613 million, with how many participants!

Mr. MYER. Just a little over 900,000.

Mr. WHITTEN. With just a little over 900,000 producers, you spent $613 million to prevent the production of $977 million worth of commodities which would be eligible for sale in world markets at competitive prices.

Mr. ANDERSEN. Would you yield either on or off the record ?
Mr. WHITTEN. I wouldn't want you to do that with my own money.
Mr. ANDERSEN. May I correct you off the record ?
(Off the record.)

OPERATING EXPENSES, ACREAGE RESERVE PROGRAM Mr. WHITTEN. I notice that you have made a request in the acreage reserve program for certain funds for administration. How was that estimate arrived at, and in view of the fact that this program is going to end this year, what change, if any, will it make in your requirements for funds for administrative purposes?

Mr. Beach. Sir, the estimate that is before you is, as you know, based on a $500 million program. It includes the estimated amount required to carry out a program at that level. The amount of administrative expense requirements for a $750 million program, of course, would be larger than that, but the discontinuance of the 1959 program was contemplated in these estimates. We have in this estimate, on the basis of a $500 million program, an amount required to liquidate the 1958 program and nothing in there for carrying out a 1959 program.

I can give you a breakdown in detail of the basis for the estimate for the fiscal years 1958 and 1959 if you would like to have it.

Mr. WHITTEN. We would be glad to have that.

Mr. BEACH. In the estimate for 1958, there is a total of $34,500,000. That is the amount available for this year's expenditures.

Mr. Horan. Where in the justifications do you find that?
Mr. WHITTEN. Page 174, I think.

Mr. Beach. I am looking at a statement that gives the detail behind those figures of $34.5 million.

The estimate of $34.5 million for the fiscal year 1958 includes the amount required for training meetings at district, county, and community levels of $957,600—$683,076 for determining normal yields in commodities; $8,120,000 for establishing the yields for farms, establishment of the soil bank base, permitted acreage, preinspection and reinspection of designated acreage; $3,450,250 for computation of farm data and signup activities, collection of crop histories, making offers to farmers, execution and signing of contracts; $8,369,020 for measuring acreage and determining performance and checking compliance, and checking soil bank base; $693,000 for the preparation of certificates under the acreage reserve program; $315,500 for handling of violations, terminations, and refunds; $231,250 for maintaining and checking acreage records necessary to protect and establish future allotments for basic commodities, maintaining county fund allocation and acreage control records; and $1,302,000 for measuring corn production. That adds up to a total for the county offices of $29,919,000, and the remainder of the expense is in the State and national offices, including allotments to other agencies.

Of the total estimate of $34.5 million, $29,919,000 is for the county office work, which I enumerated in some detail.

Mr. WHITTEN. We are glad to have that in the record. You might add the other to the record. Thank you very much.

(The information requested is as follows:)

Acreage-reserve program, soil-bank programs-Basis of estimate, fiscal years 1957, 1958, and 1959

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A creage-reserve program, soil-bank programs-Basis of estimate, fiscal years 1957, 1958 and 1959Continued

1958 program

Total
amount

1958 program

Total

amount Num- Amount ber

Increase
(+) or de-
crease (-)

Num- Amount Num.
ber

ber

Amount

6,384 $957, 600 $957, 600

- $957, 600
Determin ng average normal yields, at
$12.50 a commun ty
27, 323 341, 538 27, 323 341, 538 683, 076

27, 323 683, 076 683, 076

-683, 076
Establishing average yields for farms,
establishment of soil-bank base, an i
permitted acreage, and prrinspection
and reinspection of designated acre-
age, at $3.58 a farm in 1967, and $8
in 1958
650,000 1,253,000 1,050,000 3,759,000 5,012, 000

1,015, 0008, 120,000 8, 120,000

-8, 120,000 Computation of farm data and signup

925,000 3, 450, 250 3, 450, 250

-3, 450, 250
Measuring acreage and determining

547,924 3, 287, 544 360,000 2, 160,000 5, 447, 544 554,000 $3,756,120 425,000 4,612, 900 8,369, 020 438, 260 $4,807,700 $4, 807, 700 - 3,561, 320
Preparation of certificates: A creage re-
serve, at 75 cents per farm..

530,000 397, 500 340,000 255, 000 652, 500 574,000 430, 500 350,000 262,500 693,000 575,000 431, 250 431, 250 - 261, 750
Violations, terminations and refunds,

5,000 75,000 6,000 90,000 165, 000 15, 350 238,000 5,000 77,500 315,500 12,000 189,000 189,000 -126,500 Maintain ng and checking acreage

925,000 231, 250 231, 250

-231. 250 Establishment of base acreage for corn, at 10 cents per base acreage for 1956 - 1,687, 196 168, 720

1, 302, 000

- 1,302,000

1956 program

1957 program

1957 program

ASC county offices (function)

Total
amount

Num.
ber

Amount

Num-
ber

Amount

Meetings: District, county, and com

inun ty to introduce the programs,
develop program for State, counties,
an 1 localities, study regulations and
procedures. 2 county meetings an i
6 State or district nieetings, at $165 in
1957, an 1 $1.0 n 1958.
6,384 $1,050, 968 5,384 $1,050, 968 $2, 101, 936

activities, collect crop history, make
offer to fariner, execution un i signing
contract, at $3.30 a contract in 1957,
and $3.73 in 1958..
547, 924 1,808, 149 914, 396 3,017. 507 4,825, 656

performance and checking con-
pliance and soil-bank base, at $6 per
farm in 1957, $6.78 on 1957 crop and
$10.85 on 1958 crop in 1958; and
$10.97 in 1959

at $15 each in 1957, $15.50 in 1958, and
$15.75 in 1959.

records necessary to protect and
establish future allotments for basic
commodities, maintaining county.
fund allocation and acreage-control
records, at 25 cents each.
547, 924 136,981 914, 396 228, 599 365, 580

168, 720
Measure corn farms, at $6 per farm in
1957; $6.78 in 1958; and $6.80 in 1959 320,000l 1, 920,000 130,000 780,000 2,700, 000102,000 1, 302, 0001

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1 of this amount, $2,336,928 was unobligated and will be returned to CCC in fiscal year 1958.

SUMMARY OF MAN-YEARS

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Referendum on corn, at $300 per

county.
Liquidation of program.

Total personal services.
Travel
All other expenses -

Subtotal, county offices.
Total acreage reserve-operating

expenses.

10, 439, 400

862, 284
1, 293, 316
12, 595, 000

21494-58-pt. 4-8

Commodity Stabilization Service:

ASC county committees..

National and ASC State offices.
All other services and offices.

Total, man-years.-

7, 255. 3

8, 286.6

2, 650.3

-5, 636.3

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