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Mr. WHITTEN. On page 156 of the justifications you would transfer from this fund to national ASC officers $2,500,000, and $13.5 million to ASC county officers to handle 89,000 contracts. It seems your transfers are out of proportion to your workload.

Mr. BEACH. This $16 million includes not only the handling of contracts signed up on 1956 and 1957 programs, but also the signups on the 1958 program, which is not included in the 89,000 contracts.

Mr. WHITTEN. It still looks large to me.

Mr. Natcher.

PARTICIPATION IN CONSERVATION RESERVE

Mr. NATCHER. How many of our States are participating in the conservation reserve action of the soil bank’ Mr. McLAIN. You mean for 1957 or 1958 or all together? Mr. NATCHER. Let us take it for 1957. How many of them are participating, without enumerating the States; just the number 4 Mr. McLAIN. I think all except 1 or 2. Mr. BEACH. I think they all are. One is for a very small amount. Mr. NATO HER. Is that Rhode Island? Mr. BEACH. That is Nevada. Mr. HAMILTON. Rhode Island is not in, either. Mr. NATCHER. Rhode Island is not in this year, either, is it? Mr. HAMILTON. That is right. Rhode Island is not in and Nevada is not in, currently. Mr. NATCHER. Nevada is not in this year and was not in 1957. Is that right? Mr. ion. It is in for a very small amount in 1957; one contract. Mr. NATCHER. Mr. Secretary, the chart that you inserted in the record a few minutes ago, is that a chart of the States for the 1957 program *Mr. McLAIN. This is the relationship of 1958 signups to 1957 signups for the 20 largest States. Mr. NATCHER. Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I believe we ought to have a chart inserted in the record at this point showing all of the States and the participation in 1957 and the participation up to the present time in 1958 for the conservation reserve. Mr. WHITTEN. I think it should be included. Mr. McLAIN. All right. (The information requested follows:)

Preliminary summary of participation and payments under the conservation reserve program, by States, 1957 calendar year 1

Annual payments ?

Practice payments 3

Payment

Payment

Total payments

Estimated
practices to
be carried out

after 1957 on
Amount (in Average per 1956 and 1957
thousands) payee contracts (in

thousands)

Number of payees earning

Amount (in thousands)

Average per

payee

Amount" (in Average per thousands) payee

Acres

33

$652

8 26

2

Maine.
New Hampshire.
Vermont
Massachusetts.
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York.
New Jersey
Pennsylvania..

Number

838

38
132
14
0

6
2, 215

165
1, 195

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$197

1
6
2
0

1
679
61

$236

35
47
135

0
102
307
368
275

0

411
27
88
6
0

3
1, 322

63 404

$455

7
19
3
0

1
1,085

46 170

$1, 107

256
221
418

0
211
821
737
420

0 21 7 0

$778
217
191
314

0
207
796
650
417

0

1 1, 764

107 499

77

6 35

405 27 72

329

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State and region

A creage
on which
earned (in
thousands)

Number of payees earning

North Atlantic.

4, 603

North Central..

34, 464

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903

216 62

1, 682

453

364 502

2, 822

772

1, 175

471

416 610

2,856

924

614 1,024

946

29 1, 534

427

3, 468

336

6, 753

2, 697

399

6,165

594

250 254 208

325

668 1, 338

065 1, 434 1, 508

19 37 57 48 60 19 373 1, 616

167
340
430
466
468

135
3, 257
15, 339

404
1, 105
1, 363

896
1,046

326
4, 426
12, 227

310 250 533 878

301
721
489
471
549

75
1, 341
7, 498

746 652 359 525 525 229 303 613

468 1, 060

919

936
1, 017

209
4, 599
22, 837

701
792
444
653
667
384

753
1, 307

121
222
165
161
169

58
1, 659
9, 076

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Georgia.
Florida.

4, 618

10, 332

South Atlantic
Kentucky.
Tennessee
Alabama.
Mississippi.
Arkansas.
Louisiana.
Oklahoma..
Texas.

540
6, 107
17, 477

South Central

31, 137

Montana
Idaho...
Wyoming-
Colorado.
New Mexico.
Arizona.
Utah...
Nevada
Washington.
Oregon.
California.

507
291

215
2, 754
3, 496

70
497

1
210
494
195

79
45
31
478
655

7
74

671
334

226
3, 378
5, 289

94
657

(5)

(5)

16
41
27

178
420
265

1, 359

West.

8,730

United States.

89, 266

1 Based on preliminary reports compiled in January 1958. ? 1957 payments on 1956 and 1957 contracts.

3 Payments for practices carried out in calendar year 1957 on 1956, 1957, and 1958 contracts.

4 Total earned, $33,324,000 less cost shares of $47,000 recoverable because of violations. 6 500 or less. NOTE.-Totals and averages are based on unrounded data.

1958 conservation reserre program-Report of new acres offered for contract and

funds required as of Feb. 28, 1958

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1, 452

63 1

1, 348

80 500

24 31 1 1 33 153

1 555

10 35

4, 392

69 20 121

327 1,989

188
1,034

48
92
11

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Alabama,
Arizona..
Arkansas
California
Colorado.
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia.
Idaho.
Illinois.
Indiana..
Iowa.
Kansas
Kentucky.
Louisiana
Maine.
Maryland.
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi.
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska.
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico.
New York
North Carolina.
North Dakota.
Ohio.
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island 3
South Carolina.
South Dakota.
Tennessee
Texas..
Utah.
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin.
Wyoming

49, 123.3 $359, 928. 40 $585, 396.03 $945, 324. 43

711.0 9, 553.00 6,840.00 16,393.00 64, 226.6 498, 216.90 591, 342.26 1,089, 559. 16 11, 872.0 110, 675.00 62, 537.00 173, 212.00 92, 587.0 653, 247.00 517, 013.00 1,170, 260.00

118.0 1,001. 40 1,812.00 2, 813.40

178.0 2, 136.00 5, 140, 60 7, 276.60 33, 239.9 241, 216.35 293, 698. 16 534, 914. 51 199, 632. 41, 539, 690.14 2,027, 955. 19 3, 567, 645. 33 15, 071. 4 106, 906.09 97.804. 47 204, 710.56

8.855.00 16, 322. 40 25, 177.40 3,728.0 37, 430.63 45, 754. 75 83, 185.38 13, 453.5 148, 337.01 125, 953. 23 274, 290.24 140, 968. 1 1, 439, 809. 22 1, 872, 229.36 3,312, 038 58

7, 288.6 71, 261. 71 166, 633. 82 237, 895. 53
44, 926.0 444, 321, 50 308, 933. 07 753, 254, 57

1, 331.0 9, 268,00 26, 065, 00 35, 333.00
3, 997.0 42, 879.00 39, 791,00 82, 670.00

167.8 1, 910. 22 5, 921. 16 7,831.38
24, 381.0 165, 131. 96 233, 081.38 398, 213.34
404,541.0 3,690, 526.00 1, 900, 774.00 5, 591, 300.00
55, 082.8 556, 708. 56 425, 905. 89 982, 614.45
57, 585.0 463, 001.00 2, 290, 725.00 2,753, 726.00
18, 895. 3 144, 009.47 92, 364. 79 236, 374. 26
9,936. 4 81, 204.60 99, 379.55 180, 584. 15

555.5 2, 780.00 14, 256.00 17, 036.00

771. 4 7, 586. 70 14, 335.00 21, 921. 70 128, 608.0 | 1,074, 737.00 764, 442.00 1,839, 179.00 35, 448.2 332, 363. 69 591, 992. 33 924, 356. 02 24, 064.0 231, 231.00 422, 511.00

653, 742.00 249, 789.3 2, 308, 011. 13 997, 600.25 3, 305, 611. 38

9,915.7 91, 128.00 84, 555.00 175, 683.00 181, 496.3 1,574, 523.00 1,560, 478: 00 3, 135, 001.00 24, 638.3 245, 325. 64 345, 228. 94 590, 554. 58

8, 391.5 65, 936.00 63, 584.00 129, 520.00
82, 667.0 725, 800.00 759, 683.00 1,485, 483.00
155, 422.0 1, 424, 643.00 1, 237, 195.00 2,661, 838.00

40, 147.7 379, 651. 24 893, 370. 94 1, 273, 022. 18
440, 276.0 4, 206, 704.00 3, 441, 507.00 7,648, 211.00
11,050.0 60, 438.00 74. 670.00 135, 108.00
3, 244, 5 27,078. 40 83, 042. 65 110, 121.05
3, 159.6 27, 179. 60 43, 142. 54 70, 322. 14
21, 681.8 215, 605, 16 229, 786. 02 445, 391. 18

927.5 8,573. 10 21, 954.00 30, 527. 10
34, 120.0 279, 870.00 171, 415.00 451, 285.00
5, 560.2 42, 785. 80 14, 224.00 57,009. 80

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13 41 25

10 1 52

9

Total

42, 082 2, 715, 720.3 24, 159, 174.62 23, 668, 345.78 47, 827, 520. 40

1,745

1 Adjusted for error.
2 Not reported.
3 No activity.

Mr. NATCHER. As I understand from your statement to the committee, something over 6.4 million acres were reported in the conservation reserve section for the 1957 program, and that represents a total of 89,000 farm contracts. That is correct, is it not?

Mr. McLain. I think so.

Mr. NATCHER. It involves slightly more than 89,000 farm contracts. The signups for 1958 you state involve an additional 2.7 million acres and approximately 42,000 farm contracts ?

Mr. McLain. That is right.

Mr. NATCHER. How many of these farm contracts under the 1958 program are new contracts, from the standpoint of the contracts you have for the year 1957?

Mr. McLAIN. Different individuals?

Mr. NATCHER. Different individuals. Mr. McLAIN. Can you answer that? Mr. HAMILTON. That would be impossible to answer as we have no records as to where additional land has been placed under contract. Mr. NATCHER. Could you approximate it? Are there 10 percent new farmers in this program for 1958? Mr. HAMILTON. Well, it would be purely a guess. There is no way we have at this point of giving an answer to that question. Mr. McLAIN. We could make a spot examination of it if there is some value in it to vou. Mr. NATCHER. I would like to know, Mr. Secretary, the number participating in the conservation reserve section in 1957 and the approximate number of new participants in the 1958 program if it is not too much trouble. You could insert it in the record. Mr. McLAIN. We could make a spot check of a few of those and furnish it completely at the end of the signup. Of course that will be after this thing moves on, but I think that would be information we ought to have ourselves.

TERMINATION OF CONSERVATION RESERVE PROGRAM

Mr. NATCHER. The amount requested for 1959 is $350 million for the conservation reserve section and, as you point out, this is an increase of $187,060 over the amount appropriated for fiscal year 1958. Considering this amount and the amount in the ACP program payment's requested of $125 million when, as you know, in the ACP program we have over 1,200,000 farmers and ranchers participatin covering over 1,200,000 farms and ranches, what would happen, i anything, if the conservation reserve section of the soil bank were just dropped ? Mr. McLAIN. I think, from the standpoint of trying to do anything about the overall productive land, that would be probably down the drain forever, because in my judgment at this time I do not think we have demonstrated completely whether it can do some good or cannot; and if we dropped it at this time, before we have a full opportunity to demonstrate it, I think it would be kind of tragic. That is the way I feel about it. I think it is unfortunate that these two matters, one up ond one down, came at the same time, when it had nothing to do with the decision of the Department. The recommendation of the Department on ACP has been made several times. Of course, there has been disagreement in the Congress about it, but that had nothing to do with the decision on the conservation reserve part of this program; and I would hope and plead with you, when you make your decision, that you do not make your decision on the conservation reserve and relate it to the ACP program. Mr. NATCHER. Mr. Secretary, you agree there is considerable duplication in conservation reserve and the Soil Conservation Service. Mr. McLAIN. The practice payments are certainly much the same, but, of course, the practice payments were applied to the conservation reserve program when the act was established. I think it was wise in order to get more funds to carry out this project in addition to the ACP program. I think if we chucked the whole thing we would have

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