Petitions complaining of XII. the member might return to the house whilst a rejoinder Chapter On the 17th May, 1849, petitions were presented complaining of the conduct of three members, as railway directors. members. The members were permitted to explain and defend their conduct, but did not afterwards withdraw. It being contrary to the standing orders (see p. 532) to make a motion or to enter upon a debate on the presentation of a petition, unless it complains of some present personal grievance or relates to a matter of privilege, the conduct of the members could scarcely be regarded as under the consideration of the house at that time, and as soon as the members were heard, the petitions were ordered to lie upon the table, without further debate. One of the members withdrew, but returned almost immediately to his seat. Members in On the 28th April, 1846, the house had resolved that Mr. contempt. W. S. O'Brien, a member, had been guilty of a contempt: but the debate upon the consequent motion for his commitment was adjourned until a future day; upon which Mr. O'Brien immediately entered the house, and proceeded to his place. Mr. Speaker, however, acquainted him that it would be advisable for him to withdraw until after the debate concerning him had been concluded. The reason for this intimation was that the member had been already 1 21st July, 1887, 317 H. D. 3 s. 1633-1638. 2 21st Dec. 1893, 148 C. J. 631. 3 7th July, 1893, 148 ib. 417. XII. Chapter declared to be in contempt, although his punishment was not yet determined upon. On the 30th, a request was made, through a member, that he should be heard in his place but this was regarded as clearly irregular, and he was not permitted to be heard.' But a member not yet adjudged guilty of contempt may return to his place, when debate on his conduct has been adjourned.2 1 85 H. D. 3 s. 1198. 1291. 2 Mr. Parnell, 25th July, 1877, 235 ib. 1815. 1833. not present tion put, cannot vote. Table of Contents, see Intro Members In both houses, any member who desires to vote is required duction. when ques- to be present in the house when the question is put from the See also Appendix chair the first or second time (see, p. 287). If not within vi. the folding-doors of the house when the question is put The voice from the chair, he is not entitled to vote; and the follow- rote, see p. ing precedents will explain the various circumstances under which this rule has been applied. Precedents. On the 16th March, 1821, Mr. Speaker called the attention On the 3rd May, 1819, after the numbers had been reported 99 On the 14th June, 1836, the house was informed by a member who had voted with the majority on a former day, that he was not in the house when the question was put, and had therefore no right to vote on that occasion; and it was resolved that his vote should be disallowed." On the 5th July, 1855, the chairman of the committee on the Tenants' Improvements (Ireland) Bill, on reporting governs the 287. XIII. Chapter progress, stated that, on a division in committee, when the numbers were reported at the table by the tellers, his attention had been called to the fact that three members, who had voted in the majority, were in the lobby beyond the foldingdoors, at the back of the Speaker's chair, when the question was put, and asked whether they were entitled to vote. The Speaker ruled "that to entitle a member to vote he must have been in the house and within the folding-doors, and must have heard the question put. After the glass has been turned, and before the question has been put, the officers of the house are bound to clear the lobbies of all members; any member not wishing to leave the house or to vote, is at liberty to retire to the rooms beyond the lobby." Mr. Speaker also stated, in reply to a question from the chairman, "that the vote of any member not present when the question is put, may be challenged before the numbers are declared, or after the division is over." 1 See also p. 358, n. 1. Time, &c., of dealing with an error in a division, see p. 363. In accordance with this rule, members who were in the rooms behind the chair or in one of the side lobbies when the question was put, have been informed by the Speaker or the chairman, that they were not entitled to give their vote.2 These precedents show that at whatever time it may be discovered that members were not present when the question was put, whether during the division, before the numbers are reported, or after they are declared, or even at a subsequent sitting, such votes are disallowed. And in the Lords, a similar rule prevails.3 withdraw. It was formerly customary, before a division took place Strangers in either house, to enforce the entire exclusion of strangers: but in the Commons, pursuant to resolution 28th July, 1853, and to standing order No. 90, strangers have only 8. O. 90, Appendix I. been required to withdraw from below the bar; and in the Lords, under resolution 10th March, 1857, and standing 1 110 C. J. 352; 139 H. D. 3 s. 486. 2 111 C. J. 47; 141 ib. 242; 142 ib. 186. 365 L. J. 481 (Local Jurisdiction Bill, 1833); 179 H. D. 3 s. 739. The direction given by standing order No. 90, for the withdrawal of strangers from the front gallery, is not enforced. Proceed ings prior to a division. XIII. order No. 32, strangers have not been required to with- Chapter The Speaker, directly the debate is closed, puts the Division challenged, question, and when the voices are taken, gives the order see p. 287. that "strangers must withdraw." One of the clerks at the table then turns a two-minute sand-glass, pursuant to standS. O. 28, ing order No. 28, and, while the sand is running, the doorAppendix I. keepers set in motion the "division bells" in every part of the building, to give notice that a division is at hand. When the sand has run out, the Speaker, pursuant to standing order No. 29, so soon as he shall think proper to direct that the doors be closed, cries, "order, order," and immediately the Serjeant, and the doorkeepers and messengers under his orders, close and lock all the doors leading into the house and the adjoining lobbies, simultaneously. Those members who arrive after the doors are shut cannot gain admittance, and those who are within cannot leave the house until after the question has been put the second time and the division has commenced.2 S. O. 29, Appendix I. Question twice put. When the doors are closed, the Speaker again puts the Divisions frivolously question, and the ayes and noes respectively declare them- claimed, S. O. 28, selves. By standing order No. 28, the Speaker is obliged see p. 370. Appendix I. to put the question twice, because the sand-glass is not In the Irish Parliament, strangers were permitted to be present during a division; see 1 Sir J. Barrington, Personal Sketches, 195. 2 On the 16th June, 1857, a peer remained in one of the division lobbies until after the doors had moment for tion of busi 221, |