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Judge WHALEY. That refers to the additional commissioners that I am asking you for and the auditors. That represents the additional force. Last year I asked for five commissioners and five auditors and you approved that.

Mr. ŘABAUT. But you did not use them.

Judge WHALEY. I have not used them, have not put any on. 1 am asking five additional ones this year just for the purpose of being in a position where we can absorb the work as it comes in. I now think it is not necessary to have these five additional commissioners and two additional auditors. I think we can get along with the others that you provided for last year.

Mr. RABAUT. And what does this item amount to?

Judge WHALEY. $69,380 for additional personnel requested for 1947.

Mr. RABAUT. Then we are able to eliminate that from the bill.
Judge WHALEY. Yes; the $69,380.

Mr. RABAUT. And if you should need them, if you should get into trouble during the year

Judge WHALEY. Then I will come back to you.

Mr. RABAUT. Then you can come back to the deficiency subcommittee. I do think, if you have a standby of five commissioners, that will probably be enough. In any event, you cannot use the money for any other purpose and if you do not appoint the commissioners. and the auditors, you will return the money to the Treasury.

Judge WHALEY. We are going to do it this year, every dollar' of it.

TRAVEL

Mr. RABAUT. What about this item of $6,000 for travel; is that the same amount as you had before, or is that to take care of these new commissioners?

Judge WHALEY. That is for the new commissioners.
Mr. RABAUT. Will you need any of it?
Judge WHALEY. We will need, say, half of it; $3,000.

OTHER OBLIGATIONS

Mr. RABAUT. Other obligations include the items of travel, communication services, rents and utility services, printing and binding; other contractual services, supplies and materials, and equipment.

How much of this total of $115,080 is represented by the needs of the commissioners whom you will probably not use?

Judge WHALEY. About $18,000, which would leave an increase of approximately $97,000.

Mr. RAPAUT. One-half of $ 115,080?

Mr. STAREK. No, sir. That is about one-half of the increase of $37,150, as shown under the tabulation "Other obligations."

Mr. RABAUT. We are going to eliminate this item of $69,380 for the additional personnel, as shown under the tabulation of personal services; but the total, I see, of $115,080 includes that item of $69,380.

Mr. STAREK. Yes, sir. The $69,380 is for salaries.

Mr. RAB.AUT. Which of these items of "Other obligations" will you need, Mr. Starek?

Mr. STAREK. We will need the printing and binding item.
Mr. RABAUT. What about the item "Rents and utility services”?

Mr. STAREK. We asked for $15,000 increase. It might be that the original amount asked for, $20,000, could carry us through, if these other employees were not appointed.

Judge WHALEY. I think you could take off $15,000.
Mr. RABAUT. And what about the travel item of $6,000?

Judge WHALEY. I think you can take off about one-fifth, or, say, about $1,500.

Mr. RABAUT. Why can't we take off more than that?

Judge WHALEY. In the last few years we have not been able to travel very much, because of railroad conditions and the hotel conditions. Now cases have accumulated out in the West and the Middle West and the commissioners have got to go out and try those cases.

Mr. RABAUT. Very well; we will reduce these items in proportion.

Judge WHALEY. You will notice that this year we have not used much travel, because of the above conditions.

Mr. RABAUT. What about the item of equipment, $10,000?
Judge WHALEY. We need some of that equipment, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. RABAUT. If we do not appoint these new commissioners, you will not need new equipment for them.

Judge WHALEY. We will need this equipment for the additional commissioners you authorized last year and which we are asking you to give us again this year.

Mr. RABAUT. How much of the $10,000 can we eliminate?

Mr. STAREK. I think we would need all of the $10,000 if we supplied office space for the additional personnel.

PRINTING AND BINDING

Mr. RABAUT. Is there any other item you wish to present, Judge? Judge WHALEY. I want to take up one item, and that is printing. The year before last you gave us $25,000. · Last year you gave us $33,000. I doubt if we can get through on $33,000 this year. The reason for it is simply this: that in 1941 the Government Printing Office charged us $1,900 for printing a volume of our reports. Last year they charged us $3,400.

Mr. RABAUT. Who did?
Judge WHALEY. The Government Printing Office.
Mr. RABAUT. Did you get bids from anybody else?
Judge WHALEY. I have to go to the Government Printing Office.

Mr. RABAUT. I want you to talk to the marshal of the Supreme Court, Mr. Waggaman and find out from him where they get their printing done and how much they pay for it.

Judge WHALEY. I think I can get this done for one-half of what we are paying.

Mr. RABAUT. I want to find that out and have the information in the record. If the Government Printing Office is charging you too much, we want to know it.

Judge WHALEY. They charged us $3,400 for the 1945 volume and the other day they sent us an estimate of $4,770 for one volume. In other words, the cost has jumped from $1,900 in 1941, to $4,770 per volume in 1946. For the year 1946 I asked you for $35,000 and you gave me $33,000, but I cannot get through with that amount if they are going to jump prices on me that way. And everything that we have to get is in like proportion and they say it is due to the fact that you have increased wages at the Government Printing Office. We are just in a bad fix about it.

Mr. RABAUT. The committee will look into the matter. I notice Mr. Chandler is here and I am going to ask Mr. Chandler to consult with Judge Whaley on this matter of printing and get us some evidence as to what it would cost to do this printing in some outside plant other than the Government Printing Office, for purposes of comparison.

Mr. WHITEHURST. Mr. Chairman, you are not confining this merely to Court of Claims reports, but you want us to look into the matter of printing other books, too, such as United States Supreme Court reports?

Mr. RABAUT. Yes. I want to know something about the cost of printing in the Government Printing Office. This includes binding, does it not?

Judge WHALEY. Yes.

Mr. RABAUT. We want information on printing and binding. There seems to be something wrong here.

Mr. STEFAN. Judge, are you precluded from having your work done by anybody else except the Government Printing Office?

Judge WHALEY. That is correct. We have to go to the GPO.
Mr. STEFAN. And you may not go anywhere else, is that it?
Judge WHALEY. That is correct.

Mr. STEFAN. And you say that the price per volume has jumped from $1,900 to $4,770?

Judge WHALEY. Yes. The $1,900 price was in 1941.

INVENTORY OF STATIONERY

Mr. STEFAN. Judge, I was going to ask how many months' supply of envelopes and stationery you usually have on hand?

Mr. STAREK. We do not have a large supply of envelopes and stationery

Mr. STEFAN. Can you put it in a figure of number of months' supply? How much do you keep on hand, a year's supply or less than a year's supply?

Mr. ŠTAREK. Just about a year's supply.

Mr. STEFAN. Is it necessary to have that much on hand? Does it cause any waste in the use of supplies, having such large amounts on hand?

Mr. STAREK. No, sir. I think that it is better to issue fewer requisitions for supplies, envelopes and stationery. I think it is part of economy to have one requisition rather than two or three.

Mr. ŠTEFAN. I have been told that some of the departments have as much as 18 months' supply on hand and that it causes waste because they have so much of it on hand. Are you guarding the use of it rather carefully?

Mr. STAREK. Yes, indeed.

Judge WHALEY. We never have more than a year's supply of stationery and, ordinarily, 6 months'.

Mr. STEFAN. Ordinarily, 6 months'?

Judge WHALEY. Yes. As a matter of fact, we have saved money by buying it, because it has all gone up.

Mr. STEFAN. I understand that. But when you have it piled up in large quantities it leads to waste.

Judge WHALEY. Well, we do not do that. I see that there is no waste down in our place.

STATUS OF INDIAN CLAIMS

Mr. STEFAN. Judge, what is the condition of Indian claims in your court?

Judge WHALEY. We have gotten rid of all the Indian claims except about 24 of them. This coming month we will get rid of about 9 of them, so that we will have about 15 Indian claims.

Mr. STEFAN. When you extend your remarks in the record, will you insert a paragraph indicating what those claims are and what their status is?

Judge WHALEY. Yes, sir; I shall be glad to do that. I could tell you fairly accurately now what the situation is.

Mr. STEFAN. I did not want to take the time; but you say you have 24 cases left?

Judge WHALEY. We have 24 Indian cases left.
Mr. STEFAN. What tribes are involved?
Judge WHALEY. Mostly the Menominee Indians.
Mr. STEFAN. What is the status of the Sioux claims?

Judge Whaley. Without divulging any confidence, we are going to dispose of all of the Sioux cases next month.

Mr. STEFAN. Will that affect the Winnebago claims?

Judge Whaley. No; the Winnebago claim was decided October 5, 1942; its petition was dismissed (100 C. Cls. 1).

Mr. STEFAN. Will you please insert in the record a short statement giving the names of those that are pending.

Judge WHALEY. I shall be glad to do that but, if you will allow me to give you that after next month, I think it will show a much better situation, because we are going to render some decisions.

Mr. STEFAN. I would like to have in the record just their status and what claims are pending.

Judge WHALEY. I shall be glad to furnish them for you, Congressman,

(The material requested is as follows:)

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INDIAN CASES IN THE COURT OF CLAIMS

When I became Chief Justice of the Court of Claims of the United States in June 1939, there were 76 Indian cases pending on the docket; 21 new cases have been filed since, making a total of 97 cases. The court has disposed of 73 of these cases and today there are 24 pending on the docket. After the February decision da te the pending Indian will probably be reduced to 15.

STATUS OF THE INDIAN CASES PENDING ON THE COURT OF CLAIMS DOCKET

I. Awaiting decisions..

9 The following cases are awaiting decision by the judges and will probably be announced in February 1946.

C-531 (11). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (18). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (19). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (20). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (21). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (22). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (23). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.
C-531 (24). The Sioux Tribe of Indians.

45231. The Rogue River Tribe of Indians. 1 These decisions will dispose of all cases on the court's docket involving the Sioux Tribe of Indians.

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II. Indian cases on the trial calendar.

45783. The Confederate Bands of Ute Indians.

This case is on the February trial calendar. 44300. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.

This case is on the March calendar.
III. Indian cases awaiting decision in similar case-

44305. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.
44306. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.

These cases are awaiting the decision in case No. 44304, the

Menominee Tribe of Indians and will be controlled by that decision. IV. Indian cases awaiting decision of the Supreme Court.

45230. The Alcea Band of Tilamooks, et al.

The court on Apr. 2, 1945, decided this case in favor of the plaintiffs with judgment suspended as to the amount of recovery and offsets. The defendant filed a petition for writ certiorari to the Court of Claims which was granted by the Supreme Court on Oct. 22, 1945, and is now on that court's trial calendar. Action is suspended awaiting

the decision by the Supreme Court.
V. Indian cases on the dockets of the Commissioners of the Court of

Claims..
L-23. The Quinaielt Tribe of Indians.

The court decided this case in favor of the plaintiff on Oct. 2, 1944,
with suspended judgment. The case was referred to a commissioner
to take testimony relative to an accounting. Many surveys had to be
made and the Commissioner is awaiting audits of the account promised
in July 1946 by the General Accounting Office.
45585. The Confederate Bands of Ute Indians.

This case was decided in favor of the plaintiff on October 4, 1945, and is now with a commissioner on accounting. Extensive hearings are to be held in Colorado after completion this spring of surveys and cruises of the lands involved. 46640. The Confederated Bands of Ute Indians.

This case was filed October 15, 1945, and on November 30, 1945,
was referred to a commissioner for the taking of testimony. The
evidence is not as yet closed.
44296. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.
44298. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.
44303. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.

The above three Menominee Tribe of Indians cases have been de-
cided by the court in favor of the plaintiff with suspended judgments.
The cases are now in the hands of the commissioner to take testimony
relative to an accounting. The audit from the General Accounting
Office has been promised by July 1946.
44304. The Menominee Tribe of Indians.

This case is now with a commissioner for the taking of testimony.
Hearings are now in progress and will continue for a month or more;
the evidence is not closed by either plaintiff or defendant.

This is the case in which the decision will control the decisions of

cases 44305 and 44306. The Menominee Tribe of Indians. VI. Cases on docket not as yet assigned to Commissioners.

45162. The Mole Lake Band of Indians, et al.

The evidence has not been closed in this case.
45162 (I). The Mole Lake Band of Indians, Lac Flambeau La

Court O'Reilles. (Swamp lands).
45162 (II). The Mole Lake Band of Indians, Lac Flambeau Bad

River, et al. (School lands).
Evidence has not been closed in either of the two above cases.

These are two amended and separate claims of the Mole Lake
Band of Indians.

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