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WELFARE AND PENSION PLAN LEGISLATION

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

GENERAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H.R. 2 and H.R. 462

BILLS TO REVISE THE WELFARE AND PENSION PLANS
DISCLOSURE ACT

HEARINGS HELD IN WASHINGTON, D.C., FEBRUARY 20, 21, 22, 27, 28; MARCH 1, 6, 7, 8, AND 20, 1973

95-931

Printed for the use of the Committee on Education and Labor

CARL D. PERKINS, Chairman

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1973

COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR

CARL D. PERKINS, Kentucky, Chairman

FRANK THOMPSON, JR., New Jersey
JOHN H. DENT, Pennsylvania
DOMINICK V. DANIELS, New Jersey
JOHN BRADEMAS, Indiana
JAMES G. O'HARA, Michigan
AUGUSTUS F. HAWKINS. California
WILLIAM D. FORD, Michigan
PATSY T. MINK, Hawaii
LLOYD MEEDS, Washington
PHILLIP BURTON, California
JOSEPH M. GAYDOS, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM (BILL) CLAY, Missouri
SHIRLEY CHISHOLM, New York
MARIO BIAGGI, New York
ELLA T. GRASSO, Connecticut
ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky
HERMAN BADILLO, New York
IKE ANDREWS, North Carolina
WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida
JAIME BENITEZ, Puerto Rico

ALBERT H. QUIE, Minnesota
JOHN M. ASHBROOK, Ohio
ALPHONZO BELL, California
JOHN N. ERLENBORN, Illinois
JOHN R. DELLENBACK, Oregon
MARVIN L. ESCH, Michigan
EDWIN D. ESHLEMAN, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM A. STEIGER, Wisconsin
EARL F. LANDGREBE, Indiana
ORVAL HANSEN, Idaho

EDWIN B. FORSYTHE, New Jersey

JACK F. KEMP, New York

PETER A. PEYSER, New York
DAVID TOWELL, Nevada
RONALD A. SARASIN, Connecticut
ROBERT J. HUBER, Michigan

GENERAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR
JOHN H. DENT, Pennsylvania, Chairman

PHILLIP BURTON, California WILLIAM (BILL) CLAY, Missouri JOSEPH M. GAYDOS, Pennsylvania MARIO BIAGGI, New York

ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky DOMINICK V. DANIELS, New Jersey JAIME BENITEZ, Puerto Rico

JOHN N. ERLENBORN, Illinois
ORVAL HANSEN, Idaho
JACK F. KEMP, New York

RONALD A. SARASIN, Connecticut
ROBERT J. HUBER, Michigan

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Bassett, Preston C., F.S.A., vice president and actuary, and John W.
Fisher, vice president and Washington, D.C. office manager, Towers,
Perrin, Forster, and Crosby, Inc., Philadelphia, Pa---
Bret, William H., Jr., vice president, A. S. Hansen, Inc., Dallas, Tex..
Brown, Hon. Clarence J., a Representative in Congress from the
State of Ohio__

301

337

742

128

448

Cairns, Robert W., executive director and Stephen T. Quigley,
director of public affairs, American Chemical Society..
Cardon, John J., Lee, Toomey, and Kent.---

Giesecke, Raymond H., chairman of the board, Mc Graw-Edison &
Co., Elgin, Ill., accompanied by John Lindquist, counsel, and
Robert Warren, administrator...

659
649, 730

Gillette, Robert J., president, Aetna Capital Management, Inc.
Harman, Stetson B., president, Trust Division, The American Bankers
Association; accompanied by Fred E. Seibert, chairman, Trust
Division's Committee on Employees Trusts; Howard M. Koster,
member, Committee on Employees Trusts; and Robert L. Bevan,
assistant federal legislative counsel

Hartke, Hon. Vance, a U.S. Senator from the State of Indiana
Hazlehurst, Blackburn H., F.S.A., F.C.A., principal actuary, Hazle-
hurst and Associates, Inc., Atlanta, Ga...

Helganz, Arthur J., chairman, American Institute of Certified Public
Accountants, accompanied by Thomas R. Hanley--

Hubbard, Buckley, Jr., vice chairman, NALU Federal Law and
Legislation Committee, accompanied by Nicholas D'Amico and
Harold Sherman__

161

233

534

94

490

Hunter, Douglas B., second vice president, Connecticut General Life
Insurance Co., accompanied by Verne J. Arends..

468

Jennings, Paul, president, International Union of Electrical, Radio
and Machine Workers..

415

King, Stanley, director of human resources, A.T. & T.; accompanied
by Donald P. Harrington, actuary...

394

Statement of-Continued

Long, Hon. Clarence D., a Representative in Congress from the State of Maryland_.

Page

645

Martin, John H., vice president, Litton Industries, Beverly Hills,
Calif.

621

Matthews, Bruce, director of benefits, Montgomery Ward, accom-
panied by Gerald Guralnick, and Martin B. Amdur...
McGinn, Daniel F., president, Transamerica Consultants Inc., Los
Angeles, Calif

379

187

Meeds, Hon. Lloyd, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Washington

503

43

Mudge, John T., vice president, Pensions, and Profit Sharing
Myers, Robert J., professor of Actuarial Science, Temple University-
Nader, Ralph, and Ms. Karen Ferguson, Public Interest Research
Group, Washington, D.C...

Nash, Bernard E., executive director, and Cyril F. Brickfield, legisla-
tive counsel, American Association of Retired Persons-National
Retired Teachers Association, accompanied by James Hacking,
assistant counsel.

Nathanson, Paul, executive director, National Senior Citizens Law
Center

Nyhart, Eldon H., president, H. E. Nyhart Co., Inc., Indianapolis,
Ind..

Paul, Robert D., president, Martin E. Segal Co-

Raff, David, director, Clinical Program in Employee Rights, New
York University School of Law, Institute of Labor Relations,
New York, N. Y.

Robbins, Paul H., executive director, National Society of Professional
Engineers, accompanied by Robert H. Doyle and William Miller.
Sheinkman, Jacob, general secretary-treasurer, Amalgamated Clothing
Workers, accompanied by Miss Jane O'Grady.

344

249

359

29

541

59

510

119

323

Thompson, John P., chairman of the board, Southland Corp., accompanied by Walton Grayson III, executive vice president; and Stanley C. Simon, counsel

Wallace, Gordon, and Frank Cummings in behalf of Electrical Engineers, et al_.

549

353

Williams, Hon. Lawrence G., a Representative in Congress from the
State of Pennsylvania..

737

Willis, E. S., manager of employee benefits, General Electric Co., and
Andrew A. Melgard, Committee Executive, Chamber of Commerce
Private Pension-Social Security Committee, on Behalf of the
Chamber of Commerce of the United States.

Winklevoss, Howard, assistant professor, Actuarial Science and Insur-
ance, University of Pennsylvania..

Wood, Arthur, chairman of the board, Sears, Roebuck and Co.,
Chicago, Ill., accompanied by Theodore Bower, Tax Division; and
James McClellan, secretary and general counsel.

Prepared statements, letters, supplemental materials, etc.

217

79

631

Abel, I. W., president, United Steelworkers of America, supplementary statement on portability.

758

Bailey, James F., legislative advocate, United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, statement of ___

432

Bassett, Preston C., vice president and actuary, John W. Fisher, vice president and manager, Towers, Perrin, Forster & Crosby, Inc., statement of..

Brennan, Hon. Peter J., Secretary, U.S. Department of Labor, letter
to Chairman Dent...

Brickfield, Cyril F., legislative counsel, American Association of
Retired Persons, National Retired Teachers Association, letter to
Chairman Dent, dated May 11, 1973..-

302

206

365

Cairns, Dr. Robert W., executive director, American Chemical
Society, statement of

Cardon, John A., Lee, Toomey and Kent, Washington, D.C., state-
ment of..

133

449

Carney, Hon. Charles J., a Representative in Congress from the State
of Ohio, statement of

76

Edwards, Hon. Jack, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Alabama, statement of..

213

Prepared statements, letters, supplemental material, etc Continued
Giesecke, Raymond H., chairman of the board, McGraw-Edison Co,
McGraw-Edison Co. profit-sharing plan report, 1971.

Profit-sharing plan form.

Prospectus Profit-sharing plan.
Statement of...

Page

708

667

669

659

Gillette, Robert J., president, Aetna Capital Management, Inc.,
statement of..

649

Harman, Stetson B., president, Trust Division, the American Bankers
Association, statement of

162

Hazlehurst, Blackburn H., FSA, FCA, principal actuary, Hazlehurst.
Associates, Inc., Atlanta, Ga., statement of.

534

96

469

Helganz, Arthur J., chairman, American Institute of Certified Public
Accountants, "Audits of Employee Health and Welfare Benefit
Funds," a publication entitled....

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Hunter, Douglas B., on behalf of American Life Insurance Association,,
statement of..

Hubbard, Buckley, Jr., vice chairman, National Association of Life
Underwriters, Association for Advanced Life Underwriting, state-
ment of..

Jennings, Paul, president, International Union of Electrical, Radio
Machine Workers, AFL-CIO-CLC, statement of___

King, Stanley, director, Human Resources, American Telephone
Telegraph Co.:

Bell System companies, a list..

Special payments required by H.R. 2 to meet funding require-
ment (table)__

Kleiler, Frank M., Deputy Assistant Secretary, Labor Relations
Planning and Evaluation, Department of Labor, statement of_____
Matthews, Bruce, National Retail Merchants Association, statement
of_

McGinn, Daniel F., president, Transamerica Consultants, Inc., Los
Angeles, Calif., statement of

491

423

398

399

206

382

197

Meeds, Hon. Lloyd, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Washington, statement of..

503

Mudge, John T., vice president, Seattle-First National Bank, Seattle,
Wash.:

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Nader, Ralph and Karen Ferguson, Public Interest Research Group,
Washington, D.C.:

Letter from J. Vernon Ballard, Acting Director, U.S. Department
of Labor, enclosing a reprint from Federal Register, February
15, 1973.

273

Letter to Chairman Dent, dated May 11, 1973, enclosing informa-
tion requested...

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Nash, Bernard E., executive director, National Retired Teachers
Association, and American Association of Retired Persons, state-
ment of..

369

Nyhart, Eldon H., president, H. E. Nyhart Co., Inc., Indianapolis,
Ind., statement of.

541

Paul, Robert D., president, Martin E. Segal Co., New York, N. Y., statement of.

55

Raff, David, director, Clinical Program in Employee Rights, New
York University School of Law, statement of ___
Sheinkman, Jacob, secretary-treasurer, Amalgamated Clothing Work-
ers of America, AFL-CIO, statement of--

510

317

St Germain, Hon. Fernand J., a Representative in Congress from the
State of Rhode Island, statement of..

732

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