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under the present act, but if we are to throw that statute into the wastebasket we must start all over again; we must lose the benefit of what these men have given us.

Now, I will repeat that I think some action may be called for, but let us take the old statute and plug out the holes that have been found in it and make the protection of the consuming public just as full and complete as is possible.

We certainly wish to cooperate with you to the best of our ability to do so.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much, Mr. Robb.

Mr. ROBB. May I say—there are just one or two other things I have here. I will not be long, Senator. There are just one or two other things that I want to say.

Now, if you will turn to page 31 you will find there this statement, which I think to be a very dangerous provision:

The findings of fact by the Secretary shall be conclusive if in accordance with law.

The CHAIRMAN. You remember that that has been modified by the Department itself.

Mr. Robb. Yes, but even as modified I do not think it goes far enough.

You recall, Senator, that in the provision respecting the Interstate Commerce Commission and the Federal Trade Commission, these bodies are made fact-finding bodies and their findings of fact shall be conclusive-when? When supported by substantial evidence. That ought to be the provision here. All that this language requires of the secretary is that he should observe the formalities. Even though his decision may represent only 10 percent of the evidence, his findings would be absolutely conclusive, and under this language. If the secretary is to be made the fact-finding instrumentality then his decisions should be supported by substantial evidence.

The CHAIRMAN. If they were unreasonable would they not be subject to court review?

Mr. ROBB. Under this language, and I speak after thorough study of this section, it would be impossible for the court to upset the decision; whereas, if the provision is that the findings shall be supported by substantial evidence, then the court will have power to weigh.

I may say as a member of the National University Law School Faculty and as a lecturer on the jurisdiction and practice of the Federal Trade Commission for many years, I have had occasion to consider very carefully this very question and I feel that the findings of fact of the secretary are to be conclusive there should be a requirement that they be supported by at least substantial evidence.

Now, just a word in conclusion. I hope I may have the opportunity to supplement my statements with a brief. The CHAIRMAN. We will be glad to receive the brief.

Mr. Robs. I want to say that the industry, and I speak particularly of the efforts of my own organization, have been trying for years to standardize food and drugs products. We have made a lot of headway and I think Mr. Campbell will bear me out when I say that conditions are far better today than they were a little while ago.

Here is a final thought that I want to leave with the Committee. We are going to have a code now, and with this added instrumentality

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I thank you.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Mr. Robb.
The brief subsequently submitted by Mr. Robb, follows:

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BRIEF ON BEHALF OF THE UNITED MEDICINE MANUFACTURERS OF AMERICA

1. Unless the bill takes the form of an amendment to the existing Food and Drugs Act, following the general plan of the original statute, all the decisions of our Federal courts construing and applying that statute during the last 27 years will be set at naught, with complete sacrifice of benefit from the thoughts and ideas of some of the country's best legal minds respecting the problem of regulating the manufacture and sale of food and drug products. For example, such terms as “therapeutic” and “curative” should be preserved in the new statute because the courts have been at great pains to define them with exactness.

2. The bill should preserve the public's right to self-medication by relieving manufacturers of drug products of the necessity of showing that their claims are in accord with the general agreement of the medical profession. In enacting the Food and Drugs Act of 1906 the Congress carefully safeguarded that right, as observed by the Supreme Court speaking through Justice (now Chief Justice) Hughes:

Congress deliberately excluded the field where there are honest differences of opinion between schools and practitioners.(Seven Cases vs. U.S., 239 U.S. 510, 517.)

3. Multiple seizures of drug products at widely scattered points, subjecting manufacturers with limited resources to prohibitive expense in making their defense to charges of misbranding, should be prohibited except in flagrant cases. Any provision in the bill for court review of administrative decisions, in cases of honest differences of opinion between a manufacturer and the Food and Drug Administration as to the therapeutic powers and uses of a product, will be an empty right to the average manufacturer unless the bill makes it possible for that manufacturer to preserve his business pending such court review. The creation by the Congress of some independent board, whose summary decisions on appeals from administrative rulings of the Food and Drug Administration would be binding upon both the Government and the manufacturer unless and until set aside or modified by a court, would protect all the parties in interest.

4. Inasmuch as the interest of the medical profession necessarily conflict in some degree with those of manufacturers of prepared medicines, and since the profession under the leadership of the American Medical Association is publicly committed to the theory that all self-treatment is inherently dangerous unless under the supervision of some physician, the average physician naturally and unconsciously is more or less prejudiced against the sale of prepared medicines to laymen. Therefore, and as the Secretary of Agriculture would depend upon the medical advisers of the Food and Drug Administration in his decisions regarding the permissible scope of self-treatment in general and of some drug or medicine in particular, the decision of questions of therapeutic worth or medicinal value should be committed by the Congress to some board or body independent of medical influence. The courts, mindful of the fact that physicians are interested parties and subject to unconscious prejudice in questions involving self-medication, have consistently declined to hold that self-medication is dangerous unless practiced under conditions which give rise to reasonable apprehension as to contagion and the spread of disease.

5. As to advertising independently of the package, as in newspapers and magazines, both the Federal Trade Commission and Post Office Department are now actively censoring false and misleading claims respecting foods, drugs, and cosmetics; and in deciding questions of medicinal value those two Federal agencies are not governed entirely by medical opinion, as is the Food and Drug Administration, but weigh all considerations in a judicial manner. Existing laws curb and punish willful violators.

Since the Federal Trade Commission was created it has had occasion to pass upon about 1,800 cases involving false and misleading advertising. The fact that more than 80 percent of those cases involved commodities other than foods, drugs or cosmetics indicates that the prepared medicine industry is less given to extravagant advertising than are some other industries. Certainly the experience of the Federal Trade Commission reveals no necessity or occasion for singling out manufacturers of drug products for the imposition of additional or special handicaps with respect to advertising.

The prepared medicine industry neither asks nor expects special favors from Congress, but it respectfully protests against unnecessary discrimination. If and when Congress in its wisdom concludes that all advertising should be under Federal censorship, manufacturers of packaged medicines will be fully prepared to observe both the letter and the spirit of such general requirements as may be imposed. All that the industry asks is that it receive like treatment with other industries.

6. Some manufacturers already voluntarily disclose their active ingredient formulas but there is strong objection in the trade to such a requirement in the new bill.

It is felt that to require public disclosure of the quantities of ingredients and the publication of working formulas, thereby inviting trade piracy and jeopardizing valuable and honestly acquired good will, would impose an unnecessary handicap that would be to the ultimate disadvantage of the purchasing public.

7. No valid objection is seen to a requirement in the new bill that each manufacturer of foods, drugs, and cosmetics file with the Food and Drug Administration information as to his experience and responsibility, as well as to the nature of such products as he is selling or expects to sell to the public. But no necessity or sound reason is apparent for a permit system that, in effect, would give to the Secretary of Agriculture power to compel every manufacturer to agree to any terms the Secretary might impose, regardless of what might be their arbitrary or unduly harsh nature, upon penalty of the destruction of his good will pending judicial relief if he resisted.

The United Medicine Manufacturers of America, Inc., a trade association composed of representative manufacturers throughout the United States, hereby pledges its full and unconditional support to any measure that will add in any degree to the protection of the public health and the advancement of the public interest. All that the industry asks of the Congress of the United States is that due consideration be given to its rights and that the good will of honest manufacturers be not subjected to danger of complete destruction merely because of the propensities of a few willful violators. Respectfully submitted.

CLINTON ROBB, Counsel. The next witness is Mr. C. C. Parlin, of Philadelphia, representing the National Periodical Publishers. Mr. Parlin.

STATEMENT OF C. C. PARLIN ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL

PERIODICAL PUBLISHERS

Mr. PARLIN. Mr. Chairman, I am Charles Coolidge Parlin, manager of the Division of Research of the Curtis Publishing Co., representing the National Publishers' Association, which is composed of about 150 publications with an aggregate circulation of 50 million. I submit herewith a list of the members.

The CHAIRMAN. It will be included in the record.
(The membership list is as follows:)
MEMBERSHIP List NATIONAL PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION, 232 MADISON

AVENUE, NEW YORK, N.Y., OCTOBER 3, 1933
Advertising Age, 537 South Dearborn Street, Chicago, Ill.
American Bankers Association Journal, 22 East Fortieth Street, New York,

N.Y.
American Boy, 7430 Second Boulevard, Detroit, Mich.
American City, 470 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
American Hairdresser, 386 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
American Journal of Nursing, 450 Seventh Avenue, New York, N.Y.
American Medicine, 18 East Forty-first Street, New York, N.Y.
American Mercury, 730 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
American Trade Publishing Co., 45 West Forty-fifth Street, New York,
N.Y.:

Bakers' Weekly
Cracker Baker

Architectural Record, 119 West Fortieth Street, New York, N.Y.
Asia, 468 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Atlantic Monthly, 8 Arlington Street, Boston, Mass.
Best's Insurance News, 75 Fulton Street, New York, N.Y.
Better Homes and Gardens, Des Moines, Iowa.
Boys' Life, 2 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Casket and Sunnyside, 487 Broadway, New York, N.Y.
Chief, The, 2 Lafayette Street, New York, N.Y.
Child Life, 536 South Clark Street, Chicago, Ill.
Choir Leader, 501 East Third Street, Dayton, Ohio.
Conde Nast Publications, 420 Lexington Avenue, New York, N.Y.:

House and Garden
Vanity Fair

Vogue
Confectioners Journal, 437 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia, Pa.
Credit and Financial Management, 1 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Crowell Publishing Company, 250 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y.:

American
Collier's Weekly
Country Home

Woman's Home Companion
Cumulative Book Index, 958 University Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Curtis Publishing Co., Independence Square, Philadelphia, Pa.:

Country Gentleman
Ladies' Home Journal

Saturday Evening Post
Delineator, 161 Sixth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Dun and Bradstreet Monthly Review, 290 Broadway, New York, N.Y.
Econostat, The, 21 West Street, New York, N.Y.
Electrical Contracting, 520 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.
Etude, The, 1712 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia, Pa.
Farm Journal, Washington Square, Philadelphia, Pa.
Field and Stream, 578 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Financial Age, 132 Nassau Street, New York, N.Y.
Financial World, 53 Park Place, New York, N.Y.
Florists Exchange and Horticultural Trade World, 448 West Thirty-

seventh Street, New York, N.Y.
Forbes Magazine, 120 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Forum, 441 Lexington Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Gospel Trumpet, Fifth and Chestnut Streets, Anderson, Ind.
Domestic Engineering, 1900 Prairie Avenue, Chicago, Ill.
Gregg Writer, 270 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Grit, Williamsport, Pa.
Harper's Magazine, 49 East Thirty-third Street, New York, N.Y.
Hat Trade Publishing Co., 1225 Broadway, New York, N.Y.:

American Hatter

Millinery Trade Review
Heating, Piping, and Air Conditioning, 1900 Prairie Avenue, Chicago, Ill.
Hotel Management, 220 East Forty-second Street, New York, N.Y.
Household Magazine, Capper Building, Topeka, Kans.
Instructor, The, Dansville, N.Y.
International Magazine Co., Fifty-seventh Street and Eighth Avenue,
New York, N.Y.:

American Architect
Cosmopolitan
Good Housekeeping
Harper's Bazaar
Motor

Motor Boating
Keystone, 1505 Race Street, Philadelphia, Pa.
Laundry_Age, 1478 Broadway, New Ỹork, N.Y.
Life, 60 East Forty-second Street, New York, N.Y.
Literary Digest, 354 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
McCali's Magazine, 230 Park Avenue, New York, N.Y.

McGraw-Hill Publishing Co., 330 West Forty-second Street, New York
N., Y.

American Machinist
Aviation
Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering
Coal Age
Electrical Merchandising
Electrical World
Engineering & Mining Journal
Engineering News-Record
Power

Transit Journal
Macfadden Publications, 1926 Broadway, New York, N.Y.:

Physical Culture

True Story
Machinery, 140 Lafayette Street, New York, N.Y.
Modern Beauty Shop, 608 South Dearborn Street, Chicago, Ill.
Modern Hospital, 919 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill.
Motion Picture Publications, 1500 Broadway, New York, N.Y.:

Motion Picture

Movie Classic
National Petroleum News, 1213 West Third Street, Cleveland, Ohio

National Provisioner, 407 South Dearborn Street, Chicago, Ill.
National Sportsman, 408 Massachusetts Avenue, Boston, Mass.

National Underwriter, A-1946 Insurance Exchange South, Chicago, Ill.
National Sportsman, 408 Massachusetts Avenue, Boston, Mass.
National Underwriter, A-1946 Insurance Exchange South, Chicago, Ill.
Nation's Business, 1615 H Street, N.W., Washington, D. C.
Needlecraft Magazine, Augusta, Maine.
News-Week, 1270 Sixth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
New Yorker, The, 25 West Forty-fifth Street, New York, N.Y.
New York Lumber Trade Journal, 285 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Northwestern Miller and American Baker, 118 South Sixth Street, Minne-

apolis, Minn.
Open Road for Boys, 130 Newbury Street, Boston, Mass.
Outdoor Life, 111 East Hitt Street, Mount Morris, Ill.
Parents' Magazine, 114 East Thirty-second Street, New York, N.Y.
Movie Makers, 105 West Fortieth Street, New York, N.Y.
Penton Publishing Co., Penton Building, Cleveland, Ohio.:

Abrasive Industry.
Foundry.
Marine Review.
Power Boating.

Steel.
Periodical Publishing Co., 200 Division Avenue, North Grand Rapids,
Mich.:

Furniture Manufacturer

Furniture Record and Journal
Photo-Engravers Bulletin, 166 West Van Buren Street, Chicago, Ill.
Pictorial Review, 214 West Thirty-ninth Street, New York, N.Y.
Pipe Line News, 1217 Hudson Boulevard, Bayonne, N.J.
Playthings, 381 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Popular Mechanics, 200 East Ontario Street, Chicago, Ill.
Popular Science Monthly, 381 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Postage and The Mailbag, 200 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Pottery, Glass & Brass Salesman, 160 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Printers’ Ink Monthly, 185 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Progressive Farmer and Southern Ruralist, Birmingham, Ala.
Publishers Weekly, 62 West Forty-fifth Street, New York, N.Y.
Review of Reviews, 233 Fourth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
Robbins Publishing Co., 9 East Thirty-eighth Street, New York, N.Y.

Advertising and Selling.
American Printer.

Gas Age-Record.
Rudder, The, 9 Murray Street, New York ,N.Y.
Saturday Review of Literature, 25 West Forty-fifth Street, New York, N.Y.

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