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The Message was then ordered to be views of those with whom it originated. taken into consideration to-morrow. Besides, as the debate upon such a subject

Earl Stanhope then moved for a copy was likely to be long, while the subject of the Declaration of the Allies of the itself naturally called for some previous 13th of March, which was accordingly examination, he should rather have thought ordered to be produced.

that it would be more convenient, and proper to appoint Monday than to

morrow, HOUSE OF COMMONS.

On these grounds he should

to-morrow move a postponement of ibe Thursday, April 6.

discussion until Monday. But prelimi. Prince Regent's Message RELATING nary to that discussion, he had iwo quesa TO THE EVENTS IN France.] Lord Castle- tions to put to the noble lord: first, reagh presented the following Message Whether it was true, as had been profrom his royal highness the Prince Re- mulgated from a sort of half authority, gent:

that a secret understanding bad been enGEORGE, P. R.

tered into, or a secret article concluded, The Prince Regent, acting in the between all the parties to the Treaty of pame and on the behalf of bis Majesty, Paris (excepting France, of course), pledge thinks it right to inform the House of ing those powers to maintain the House Contmons, that the events which have of Bourbon upon the throne of France ? recently occurred in France, in direct and secondly, whether the noble Jord contravention of the engagements con- would think it consistent with his duty 10 cluded with the allied Powers at Paris in communicate the terms of the treaty prothe course of the last year, and which posed at Chatillon, upon which the allies threaten consequences highly dangerous were then willing to conclude peace with to the tranquillity and independence of France ? If the noble lord should not be Europe, bave induced his Royal Highness disposed to accede lo this communication, to give directions for the augmentation of it would be for the House to decide whehis Majesty's land and sea forces.

ther it would not be expedient to demand The Prince Regent has likewise such communication, which he (Mr. W.) deemed it incumbent upon him to lose thought highly material 10 the due conno time in entering into communications sideration of the subject referred to in the with his Majesty's allies for the purpose Regent's Message. of forming such a concert as may most Lord Castlereagh said, that as to the first effectually provide for the general and observation of the hon. gentleman, be permanent security of Europe.

did not present his Royal Highness's " And his Royal Highness confidently Message till half past four o'clock, which, relies on the support of the House of from his previous intimation, he could Commons in all measures which may be not deem as too early an hour for the innecessary for the accomplishment of this troduction of such a subject. Then, as important object.”

to the day fixed for the consideration of The Message was ordered to be taken the Message, he was rather surprised at into consideration to-morrow.-After some the hon. gentleman's observation, betime had elapsed,

cause it would be recollected that, on a Mr. Whitbread rose and observed, that foriner day, he distinctly stated his puro had he been present at the time the Mes- pose of proposing such an arrangement sage was presented (which, by the way, | in describing the course of business for was brought forward at a much more the week, and with a view to this arrangeearly period than public business was ment he moved the postponement of the usually expected), he should have ob. American question from this day to Tuesjected to the motion fixing the conside- day, in order, as the Message was meant ration of it for to-morrow. Upon a to be considered on Friday, that the question of such magnitude and import- House might not be occupied by debate ance, more time ought, in his opinion, to on two successive days. But, indepenbe afforded, in order to prepare the House dently of this consideration, it would be for its consideration, especially where the quite inconsistent with the usual practice object of the Message was not clearly of Parliament to postpone the consideraexpressed,—where, in fact, it was couched tion of a Message from the Throne : an in such equivocal, such indefinite terms, early consideration was, indeed, due in that it was difficult to understand the deference to the Throne, and was there

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fore never delayed. With respect to the upon this - subject for Monday, he had
hon. gentleman's questions: first, No secret little doubt that, from the lengih to which
article, understanding, or engagement of such debates usually extended, it would
the nature alluded to by the hon. gentle. become necessary for convenience to
man had ever existed between the allies ; adjourn the discussion from to-morrow to
and as to the second question, he appre- Monday.
hended that the House would not be dis- Lord Castlereagh said, that when the
posed to delay the consideration of the House came to the discussion he would
Prince Regent's Message, or to postpone give such explanation respecting the pro-
the expression of its opinion upon the positions at Chatillon as was proper, or as
present exigency, until all the papers had any connexion with the subject of the
connected with the negociations at Cha- Prince Regent's Message. With respect
tillon should be laid on the table, and to the presentation of this Message, it was
until the hon. gentleman should have an

to be considered that the Lords did not opportunity of considering these papers. meet until Wednesday, and that some Upon these grounds, he trusted the House previous intimation was due to that House, would not feel it necessary to revise its as to the intention to make a communica. decisioo for taking the Message into con- tion of this nature, which was usually sideration to-morrow.

presented to both Houses at the same time. Mr. Whitbread expressed himself parti. Now as to questions generally, he felt it cularly glad to hear that no such secret necessary to observe, that it would be article or understanding existed, as that to well if gentlemen proposing to put any which he referred. But as to the treaty questions, would either previously apprize proposed at Chatillon, he thought it male. ministers of their intention, or else that rial that the House should have some in those gentlemen should wait until the formation upon that subject, before it ministers were in their places. entered into the consideration of the Mr. Whitbread. What then were we to Regent's Message. It was a mistake to do, when the noble lord was at Vienna? suppose that he required the production Mr. Ponsonby began by declaring, that of all the papers connected with the nego- he was not at all aware that the Prince ciations at Chatillon. A short extract Regent's Message would have been prewould be quite sufficient, describing the sented so early, or he should have been terms upon which the allies were at that in his place sooner. But he hoped that time willing to conclude peace with the House would, upon the subject of that France; and without such a communication Message, allow him to trespass on its he could not think the House prepared to indulgence for a few moments, although discuss the subject of the Message. The there was no motion under consideration. delay of a single day with a view to The Message, he observed, was composed obtain and to consider such an important of two parts: first, his Royal Highness fact, he could not suppose in any degree told the House that he was preparing to · disrespectful to his Royal Highness, or augment our forces by sea and land, in inconsistent with the deference which that consequence of the recent

events in House owed to a communication from the France; and, secondly, bis Royal HighThrone. The House had, indeed, been ness stated, that he would act in concert led to expect, from the intimation of the with our allies. In thus proceeding, his Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the Royal Highness had, in his opinion, been Message would have been brought down advised to do that which was wise and on Wednesday, and thus-one intervening proper; for it was wise in his Royal Highday would have been allowed for its con- ness to have the country in a state of ade. sideration, before the House would be quate preparation for any emergency, and called

upon to decide ; but the noble lord proper to preserve an intimate commu• from his superior knowledge of tactics nication and concert with his allies. But thought proper to postpone the presenta- beyond those two points he did not wish tion of the Message until this day, thus to express any opinion, nor did he think precluding the possibility of due consider the House ripe at present to give any ation. The hon. gentleman disclaimed farther decision. As to the use to be any intention of disrespect to his Royal made of the force which his Royal HighHighness in thus pressing for some delay; ness was preparing, that would remain for adding, that although he had no hope of consideration; but upon the iwo points to persuading the House to change the order which he had referred, he, however others

might differ from him, was ready to say

PILLORY Punishment ABOLITION Eill.] that his Royal Higbness had been rightly Mr. M. A. Taylor rose, in pursuance of advised. Beyond those points, bowever, his notice, to move for leave to bring in a he was not prepared to go.

He would not Bill for the Abolition of the punishment of enter into any premature discussion. He the Pillory. He did not conceive il ntcesa was neither prepared to say that his Royal sary, in introducing this motion, to enter Highness and his allies should plunge into any discussion of the origin of crimes into a state of war, nor that security was and punishments. The authors who had to be found in a state of peace. He need wrillen upon this subject were already in not say that bis wish was that the latter the hands of most of the members of that should be found attainable, but he felt it House; it would be sufficient for him, impossible at present to offer any opinion therefore, to make a few general observa. upon those points. He could, however, tions upon the legitimate objects of pureadily say, that bis disposition was to nishments, as the ground upon which his vote for a suitable Address in answer to motion was founded. The first end of the Prince Regent's Message, provided punishment was the reformation of the that Address contained nothing to pledge offender; and the next was, when the his future conduct. From the full declara. crime committed was of so deep a die as tion of his opinion, when adequately not to admit of a hope of amendment, to informed, he should never be found to punish the criminal by death; and at the shrink; but he would never declare pre- same time, by the severity of his punishmature opinions, or engage in premature ment, to afford an example to deter others discussions. Therefore, he would abstain from the commission of similar offences. from such opinions and discussions in this with this view of the subject, he was at a instance. He would be glad to vote for loss to imagine under what head to class the Address of to.morrow, and he hoped the punishment of pillory. It could not that but a short discussion would take be called a reforming punishment, because place upon it. In bis judgment, it was it rather tended to deaden the sense of decidedly wise to consider and provide shame than to have any other effect. Beagainst any vew difficulties or dangers sides, it appeared to him as contrary to likely to arise out of the present state and law, because the culprit was left to meet prospects of France; and therefore he the fury of the populace. It was not alhighly approved of the preparation which tended' with any good to the spectator, the Regent's Message announced; but as because it only gave rise to the assemblage to the use which Government might ulti- of a tumultuous rabble, who either conmately make of that preparation he should lravened the sentence of the Court by ex. not hold himself bound to support it by alting the criminal, or violated the law by any vote which he was at present disposed an outrageous attack upon him. It was to give. He therefure wished the Address therefore evidently a punishment of a very of tomorrow might be so drawn up as to unequal nature. As illustrative of this remeet his views. The right hon. genileman mark, he begged to cite a few cases. In concluded with expressing his anxious the year 1759, doctor Shebbeare was senhope that it might not be found inconsistenced to be pillored for a libel of a politent with the safety of Europe to preserve tical description--and in what manner was a state of peace, and to avoid the calami- that punishment executed? Why, when ties of war.

he arrived at the pillory he mounted it in Lord Castlereagh said, that without anti- full dress, attended by a servant in livery, cipating the discussion of to-morrow, he who held an umbrella over his head ; and could assure the right hon. gentleman that the under-sheriff, who participated in the it was not proposed by the Address in popular feeling, instead of calling upon contemplation io pledge his opinion, or him, as usual, to place his head in the that of the House, as to the future conduct pillory, was satisfied to let bim simply rest of his Majesty's government.

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his hands on the machine, and in that way spect to that conduct, or the use that might he underwent his sentence. Then again, be made of the force in preparation, and in the case of Daniel Isaac Eaton, who lwo whether the ultimate end should be war years back was pillored for a religious or peace, must depend upon the issue of libel, this man, instead of being regarded, circumstances to be determined on their as might have been expected, with indige own merits.

nation, was treated with respect, and viewed (VOL. XXX.)

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with silent pity. There were other cases, / age, and the cruel instrument of Starhowever, in which a different course was chamber authority. He then moved and pursued. He alluded particularly to the obtained leave to bring in a bill " to case of four men who were pillored in four abolish the punishment of the pillory," different parts of the metropolis, for conspiring to take a man's life away upon a Foreign Wine Bill.] The Chancellor charge of robbery, for the sake of the re-of the Erchequer said, that in consequence ward. He did not mean to say, that if the of a communication which he had had law directed such offenders to be punished from the Portuguese ambassador, respectby death, that they did not deserve it; but ing a representation to his Court, calcuunless the law did direct such a sentence, lated to obviate the necessity of this he thought they ought not to be exposed measure, he should press it no farther. to the risk of that fate-one of these men Therefore the right hon. gentleman moved was actually killed, while the other three the third reading of the Bill this day six escaped with difficulty. This was a species months. Agreed to. of violence which, he thought, ought to be avoided. There was another case, where

HOUSE OF LORDS. the caprice of the public on such occasions was strongly demonstrated.

Two men

Friday, April 7. were pillored at Brentford, one for com- ADDRESS ON THE PRINCE REGENT promising a Qui Tam action, and the other MESSAGE RESPECTING THE EVENTS IN for a crime of a detestable nature, not less France.) The Marquis of Lansdowne atrocious; and yet such was the indigna- wished, before the order of the day was tion felt towards the informer, that he was read, that the noble lord opposite, or some nearly killed, while his companion in suf- other of the Prince Regent's ministers, fering escaped uphurt. The punish- would give some explanation on a subject ment, he insisted, was unequal to a nearly connected with it: be alluded to the man in the higher walks of life, it was alleged detention of French sbips by our worse than death: it drove him from cruisers. There were two questions wbich society, and would not suffer him to return required an answer : first, whether any to respectability; while, to a more ships had been so detained ? second, wbe. hardened offender, it could not be an ther, if they had been so detained, the object of much terror, and it could not detention was authorized by Government? affect his family or his prospects in the Viscount Melville replied, that the desame degree. To show the severity with tention had occurred in only one or two which legal punishments pressed upon instances; and certainly they had not persons in the higher walks of life, he ad been authorized by the Government. verted to the case of Dr. Dodd, who had The order of the day for the considerabeen justly sentenced to die for forgery ; tion of the Prince Regent's Message being a crime, with respect to which the law read, could permit no variation in the sentence. The Earl of Liverpool rose. Approving Before he received sentence of death, Dr. as he did of the answer given by his noble Dodd addressed the Court, and set forth friend to the questions which had been the circumstances of his former life. He put to him, he had nothing farther to say stated, that many who had been among his upon that subject, and he iherefore would hearers had become better men from now proceed to call their lordships attenhearing him in the pulpit, that he had thus tion to the Message which he had last been the means of rescuing others from night the honour to deliver to their lordvice, and he added these words, “ Conde- ships from his royal highness the Prince scerid to reflect, my lord, if these consi. Regent; and though he did not anticipate derations aggravate my offence, how much much opposition to the Address which he they must imbitte: my punishment.” The intended to propose, yet he felt it his duty, hon. gentleman concluded with saying, considering the nature of the crisis, and of that it was grating to his feelings to leave the events which had lately taken place, such a punishment as that of the pillory in to make some few observations : but a the bands of a court, who might treat the desire always to spare the time of their admirable author of Junius, if he were dis- lordships as much as possible, and a desire covered, in the same manner as the most likewise to abstain from all discussion of atrocious criminal. The punishment of topics on which considerable differences the pillory was the remnant of a barbarous of opinion might be entertained, would induce him to keep clear, as far as he | tainbleau, and to the circumstances under could, of every point not necessarily con- which it was concluded; and he was the nected with his motion. He was not one more desirous to do so, because he beof those who expected, that after the lieved that soine misapprehension had changes which had taken place in France prevailed on that subject. The part which during the last twenty-five years, and the this country had taken in that Treaty, renmoral convulsion which had agitated that y dered it necessary to say something on that and other countries of Europe, affairs point. Whatever might have been the would settle in a permanent state of repose wish of the Government of this country as and security, without any danger of a to the matters which formed the subject of revulsion, against which it was wise to that Treaty, there was, in truth, no alternaguard by prudent measures of precaution : live for them. They were obliged to give but he admitted at the same time, that a qualified assent to it : but in justification none of them had in contemplation the of the Sovereigns, the circumstances under events which had happened in March last, which that Treaty was made ought to be or that so sudden and entire a change considered in all their bearings. These should have been effected in so short a circumstances were very different from time without a struggle. In looking at what they were supposed by many persons the Treaty of Paris, to which he must now to have been. When in March last year call their lordships attention, there was the Allies advanced to Paris, a declaration one circumstance which could not fail to was issued by the Emperor of Russia and strike every one who considered the time King of Prussia, that they would not treat and state of things under which it was with the person then at the head of the concluded-che alluded to the remarkable French government. After the attack liberality of the conduct of the Allies on upon the French troops near Paris, and that occasion. He could not look at that the entrance of the Allies into that city, a circumstance, even now with regret, be revolution took place: the Conservative cause no one could contemplate the power, Senate was assembled, and a provisional the extent, and population of France, and goveroment appointed to negociate with not feel that it would have been unwise to ihe Allies. Under these circumstances it have exacted from that people any thing was proposed to grant a place of retreat which could reasonably humble them in for the person who was then ruler of their own estimation. "If advantage had France, and it was represented in support been taken of the situation in which the of this proposition, that it afforded the only Allies then stood, to demand any thing means of avoiding a civil war in France, which might be dishonourable for France and of bringing over the marshals, who to grant, the Allies were aware, that by probably would not accede to the new that course they would have been sowing arrangement unless that point were sethe seeds of future wars, that the first op- cured. At that time the only, marsbal portuoity would perhaps be taken to in. who had acceded to the new order of fringe the Treaty, and that its nature things was Marmont. Besides the consimight furnish some excuse, though not a deration of the state of the provisional jusi ground for the infraction. It was, government, it was to be recollected that iberefore, the policy of the Allies to act Buonaparté himself was at the head of with a wise liberality. Perhaps there 30,000 men; that there was an army of were some concessions with respect to 50,000 men in the south, under the comwhich there might be a doubt whether mand of marshal Soult, whom there was they were necessary or' advisable: but

no reason for supposing to be unfaithful to this, at least, was clear, that the character Buonaparié; and there was also in Italy a of the Treaty was, under the circum- large army, much superior, taking into stances, that of an arrangement highly consideration its appointments, to that honourable to France. It was a treaty opposed to it, which there could be no with which the people of that country had doubt would be faithful to bim. In addievery reason to be satisfied-one which tion to this, all the fortified places in had been studiously rendered consistent France, Holland, and on the Rhine, were with every feeling which they could justly nominally subject to his authority-noentertain as Frenchmen and good subjects. minally, he said, because it was impossible Such being the general nature of that to know what effect the appointinent of Treaty, he was desirous also to call their the provisional government might have lordships attention to the Treaty of Fon. had upon the garrisons. With the know

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