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and receive notes in their room, as being would be able to resume their cash-pay. much more convenient.
ments on the 6th of July, 1816, but he had Mr. Baring said, he was by no means not said he was confident they would do so. prepared to agree with the hon. gentle- Mr. Horner's amendment was then man who spoke last, as to the superiority agreed to. of paper over gold and silver. He wished Mr. Grenfell rose to introiluce an amendto see the currency once more restored to ment, the effect of which would be to a sound state, and to see a mixed issue of limit the period of the restriction in the paper and coin, which would be alike va. same manner as the property tax was liluable at home and abroad. Although mited by the Act of iso6, viz. to insert he admitted that the commerce of the after the words • 5th of July, 1816,' the country had been considerably benefited words and no longer.' This, he obby paper issues; now that we were at served, would not lie down Parliament if peace, he hoped, although he did not ex. it should be found advisable to continue pect, that ere long we should see the the restriction, while it would fix the depreciated notes of the Bank of England period of it, if nothing meanwhile ocsuperseded by the standard coin of the curred to prevent it. country; and he further wished, that in Mr. Rose thought it quite sufficient that future no minister should be templed to Parliament had described the limits of the depart from this principle under any cir- restriction, and was of opinion that the cumstance. While he was up, he begged amendment was utterly useless, and would to make a few observations upon the state only tend to mislead. of the silver coinage. Whenever we should
Lord Archibald Hamilton supported the return to a sound circulation of gold and amendment, because, though it could not silver, he thought it was of the utmost im, bind Parliament, it would express strongly portance that Governmentj should pay its present sense as to the time at which some attention to the introduction of such the Bank should resume its payments in a silver coinage as would supply the place cash. Since the year 1797 the restriction of the French coin, by which this country had been continued as a matter of course, was at present inundated, and for which and now it appeared to Parliament that we were paying a premium of at least 60 the restriction should not be again reor 80 per cent. It was impossible that newed, it was proper that their opinion we could look to the Bank of England to of the inexpediency of further renewal, supply our deficiencies in this respect. should be stated. He thought a coinage might take place at Mr. Pole Carew thought the amendment 10 or 15 per cent. under the standard perfectly unnecessary. value of silver, whereby a security would
The House divided : be afforded for keeping such coin in the
For the Amendment
17 country, and it would not be liable, at Against it...........
75 every little fluctuation in price, to be
-58 melled down for purposes of trade. This
List of the Minority. plan would not at all affect contracts, because silver was a legal tender only to a
Abercrombic, J. Monck, sir C. small extent, and gold might be, as it Broadhurst, J. Mackintosh, sir J. always had been, the real standard of the
Morland, S. B. country, by which contracts with indivi
Douglas, F.S. N. Ponsonby, G. duals might be regulated. Such silver
Fremantle, W. H. Philips, G. coinage might even be 20 per cent. below Heron, sir R. Powlett, W.J. F. the standard value, and this would amply Lambton, J. G. Tierney, G. compensate for the expense of coinage, Moore, P. and the loss upon the base coinage in cir. culation. He suggested also that gold WAYS AND MEANS—New Taxes.] The pieces of the value of 208. should be issued, Chancellor of the Exchequer said, ihat on which might be more easily divided into rising to move for the postponement of aliquot parts.
the committee of ways and means till The Chancellor of the Exchequer said he Monday, he was not actualed by any derose merely to correct a misrepresentation sire to put off that part of the debate which which had gone abroad as to what he had related to the new taxes; but as several said on this subject upon a former night. gentlemen wished to propose alterations, He had expressed his hopes that the Bank and as they must at present
very much fatigued from the length of the late dis-, in private, that he had modified the tax cussions, he thought he should consulti in such a manner that the pressure of it their convenience by this postponement.
would not be inconvenient. The manuMr. Tierney said, that as far as he him. factories, in respect of windows, were of self was concerned he did not wish the two distinct classes, one where the win. subject to be postponed. He was per- dows were small and numerous; the otber fecily prepared to renew his observations where the windows were large, and exon the subject, and to press it on the House tended from one end of the building to the that it was contrary to the form and es- other without division. Instead of 38. 6d. sence of the mode of their voting money, per window he should reduce the tax to that they should consent to grant so large is. 6d. And when the number exceeded a sum in taxes without farther information. 100, the windows beyond that should be If the right hon. gentleman would bring charged by measure, as in the case in the two first resolutions at that time, of hot-houses, at 48 superficial feet ibe he could state the general objections which window, which would comprehend many he had to urge, and which would have no. small windows, and a great extent of thing to do with the nature of the parti. the low long windows. As to the cular taxes which were proposed.
warehouse lax, he should not propose to Mr. Ponsonby said, for his own part he adopt any progressive scale, and should was at that time unfit to attend to ihe dis. propose the charge of only 2s. in the cussion of any subject whatever; and he pound, however bigh the amount of rent believed many members were equally fa- might be, as the warehouse was considered tigued with the late discussions: he wished, as the means of profit, and not as the intherefore, that the consideration of the re- dication of the amount. Shops in those solutions should be postponed to Monday: houses wbich were exempt from payment
The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, of taxes, at present, on account of poverty, that as he believed it was the general wish would not be charged under the proposed of the House, he should move that the tax; for instance, small cottages which Report be taken into further consideration contained shops. What he had said of on Monday,
warehouses, also applied to manufactories. Mr. Philips said, that some of the taxes Mr. Butterworth thought some modifica. which had been proposed had excited tion of the lax on men-servants should be great alarm among ihe manufacturing adopted, with respect to such as were part of the community, and that deputa under twenty years of age, who were tions had been dispatched to wait on the taken by mainy persons as much from moright hon. gentleman. He thought there lives of charity, as for other purposes. fore that Monday would be too early a Mr. W. Smilk thought an undue pressure period for the discussion.
was thrown by the new taxes on the The Chancellor of the Erchequer observed, manufacturing interest. He thought waltthat a much longer period than was usual houses and granaries should be exempled had been suffered to intervene between from tbe window duties on inanufactories, the introduction of the resolutions, and as the windows were for air and not light. the final decision of the House concerning The Report was ordered to be taken them. He had already collected much into further consideration on Monday. information on the subject of the different taxes, and before Monday there would be
HOUSE OF LORDS, time for any gentleman to make further communications to him on the subject.
Friday, March 10. Mr. Protheroe said, that it was under- PETITIONS RESPECTING THE Corn Laws.] stood to be the intention of the right hon. Earl Stanhope presented a petition against gentleman to propose some modifications any alteration in the Corn Laws from the in the taxes upon the windows of manufac- parish of St. Ann's, Limehouse, and also Lories; he wished to be informed what was petitions from several other quarters, have their nature, as this information might in. ing the same object, all of which were duce many of his constituents to suspend laid on the table. His lordship adverted the petitions which they were about to to the fact of his having proposed a resobring forward on the subject.
lution last year, which had for its object The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, be to relieve the pressure on the agricultural was happy to state that to the House, which interest, without raising the price of corn, he had before stated to several gentlemen He now gave notice, that on Thursday, he
would submit to their lordships consider- praying generally that there might be no ation, the same resolution, with a small alteration in the corn laws, might and had alteration, in order to prevent the possi- been received. bility of being misunderstood. He there. The Earl of Liverpool stated, that the fore moved that the Lords be summoned rule of the House was as the learned lord for Thursday next. Ordered.
had stated it. This petition was partly Lord Grenville presented a petition to against any regulations, and partly against the same effect, from the parish of St. a specific measure depending in the other John, Clerkenwell, signed by 9,448 per- House. There could exist in no quarter
His lordship also presented a peti any desire to refuse the petition; and he tion to the same effect from the incorpora- recommended to the noble lord, not to tion of Weavers in Glasgow. His lordship persist in presenting it for the present, as then presented a petition to the same ef- he would soon probably have an oppor. fect from Greenwich, in Kent. This pe: tunity of presenting it without any doubt tition was read, and stated in strong and as to its regularity. pointed terms the inability of the peti- The Earl of Lauderdale said, he had no tioners to conceive how the imposing a desire to prevent the petition being rehigh duty on importation should not have ceived; and, indeed, he would hardly the effect of raising the price of corn. His have urged the objection now, if he belordship said it was a very able paper both lieved it could have the effect of preventin its statement of facts and arguments. ing its being received ; but it ought to The petitioners noticed the regulations be withdrawn till the proper time. now in progress in the House of Com- Lord Grenville observed, that the prinmons, and prayed that they might not be ciple was to throw the doors wide open to adopted.
petitioners, and their lordships would The Earl of Lauderdale observed, that it therefore be willing perhaps to relax a was contrary to the rules of the House to little on a question of this pature. Howreceive petitions against bills that were in ever, as he should soon have an opportuprogress in the other House. They could nity of presenting it without any doubt as know nothing about such bills till they to its regularity, he would withdraw it for came before them, and therefore they the present. could admit of no petitions against them. Earl Grey said, that whatever difference His noble friend had said, that this was the of opinion might prevail on this subject, ablest paper he had ever read; but at the all must agree that it was a question of proper period he should be ready to show great delicacy, and of vast importance. It that the arguments were altogether un- was manifest, therefore, that every thing founded ; and he was only sorry that his ought to be avoided which had the least noble friend, by the approbation which appearance of hurry and precipitation. he expressed, had rendered them his own. There were, besides, some points con
Lord Grenville said, that his noble friend nected with the question on which their had somewhat misapprehended the terms lordships had not as yet obtained all the in which he had expressed his approba. information which they ought to have, tion. To say that this was the ablest before they were called upon to decide paper that he had ever read, would cer- on a measure of this importance. It apo tainly be saying a great deal; but he had peared to him that a committee ought said, and repeated it, that the paper was therefore to be appointed to procure very ably written. With respect to the further information, and lay the result receiving of the petition, it had been de- before the House. When this was done, cided by their lordships that they ought their lordships would come better prepared to receive petitions against any measure to the discussion of the measure now about which was reported to be in contempla- to be brought before them. Having it in tion. Upon this principle, it appeared to view to propose to their lordships the aphim, that the present petition might be pointment of such a committee, he gave received.
notice of a motion to that effect for MonThe Lord Chancellor said, that it cer- day, and moved that their lordships be tainly was against the rules of the House summoned for that day. to receive petitions against specific mea. The Earl of Carlisle wished the noble sures stated to be in progress in the other earl opposite to state exactly to what House; though petitions against any re- extent it was proposed to raise the price gulations generally, such as petitions of grain, or the reasons which induced
him to believe that the measure in con.
HOUSE OF COMMONS. templation would not raise the price of His lordship deprecated precipita.
Friday, March 10. tion in a matter of this importance, and PetitioNS RESPECTING THE Corn Laws. ] observed, that it was particularly unad. Sir John Newport presented a petition from visable to hurry it forward, while they all the cominercial houses of the city of had such riots in the streets, and a mili- Waterford, with one exception, praying tary force at the door. He himself was for farther protection to the agriculturist, adverse to the measure in its present and stating the great depression under shape, but was open to conviction. which the farmers of Ireland were labour
The Earl of Liverpool said, that this was ing, and that the demand for British inanot the time for entering into the merits of nufactures and colonial produce had dethe question, but begged leave to say, that creased in the proportion of this depreshe did not conceive the effect of the mea- sion. sure to be proposed to the House, would Sir N. Colthurst said, that he believed be to raise the price of corn at all. This the same feeling existed in the commercial he should be prepared 10 show at the city that he represented. proper time. His opinion was, lhat some Mr. Baring was willing that every conregulation was necessary; but as to the sideration should be given to the petition sacrifice of one species of interest in order from the city of Waterford; but it was lo to promote another, he utterly disclaimed be recollected that this city was mainly any such idea, and no measure that he and principally concerned in the exportaconceived to have that tendency could tion of Irish corn, and that it was proposed ever have his countenance or support. by this Bill to give the Irish corn-grower Such a proceeding was to be avoided in the monopoly of the British market. He legislation generally, but more particu- conceived, therefore, that the town fornied Jarly in legislating on a subject of this na. no exception to the opinions entertained ture. The measure which he should bare in commercial towns on this subject. the honour to propose to their lordships Sir John Newport said, if it was in this would have for its object the advantage of way intended to prevent the city of the whole community, and not that of any Waterford from receiving due attention particular class at the expense of the rest. because it was concerned in the exporting As to their having a military force at their of Irish corn, he had an equal right to say doors, care had been taken never to call that a great part of the cities who had peupon the military to act till it became ab- titioned on the other side were concerned solutely necessary; and as to the clamour in the importation of foreign corn. It was in the streets, he had no desire to proceed hard thai no petition in favour of the Bill with greater precipitation merely on that could be presented either from landholders account. He only wished their lordships or commercial men, without injurious to proceed as if there had been no such charges being affixed to them either by clamour. The existence of Parliament de the bon. gentleman or those who took the pended on their deliberations being free. same side with him. The city of Water
The Earl of Carlisle did not mean to ford was as much entitled to a respectful impute any blame to ministers for the em- hearing as the city of London. ployment of the military force, which cer- Mr. Baring disclaimed any wish to preiainly appeared to be necessary ; but bis vent the petition from Waterford receiving objection was to the proceeding with pre- every due attention. cipitation while those riots were going on. Mr. Howorth, in presenting a petition He was hardly a free agent while con- from the borough of Eveshain, observed, sidering the question under such circum- that the expectation of the petitioners had stances, for rather than yield any thing to been disappointed chiefly in this; they the clamour in the streets, he should be had expected that Parliament would, in willing to vote for the Bill with all its im- the first instance, have made some attempt perfections on its head.
to relieve the burthens of taxation by a The Earl of Lauderdale insisted, that the retrenchment of expenditure, and a reduceffect of the measure would be to render tion of establishment. He expressed his corn cheap, and to promote the interests entire concurrence in the principle of the of the whole community. His reasons petition. for that opinion he should be prepared
Sir Thomas Acland presented a petition to state fully at the proper season.
from the landholders and occupiers of land
in the county of Devon, in favour of the my own sentiments on the subject of it, Corn Bill. The petition stated that the with a view of correcting a great mistake, poor-houses were filled with agricultural which has gone abroad of my being a labourers deprived of their usual employ- friend to the measure. I am, Sir, no supment in consequence of the discourage- porter of the Corn Bill. My wish is to ment of agriculture.
leave Government to do with it as it Sir Gilbert Heathcole said, that the num- pleases, because I believe that none of ber of persons out of employment might those who think themselves interested in be partly owing to the season of the year, this measure, are really interested in it. and partly to the hands discharged from I think that Government alone are intethe army and nary.
rested in the measure, as it is necessary Mr. Gooch said, in the county which to bolster up the system of taxation which he represented, there never were so many they are resolved to continue. If they persons out of employment as at present, would only make a retrenchment of ai! independent of the hands discharged from improper and unnecessary expenditure, the army and navy:
and put every thing on a suitable peace Lord Archibald Hamilton presented a establishment, there could be no pretence petition against any alteration in the Corn for inflaming the public mind at the prelaws, from Hamilton, Lanerk, and several sent moment on a topic like this, to boister other places in the Glasgow district of up an insupportable system ; and if I boroughs. The hon. member for Glasgow differ in opinion with some of my constihad been reported to have stated not only tuents, it is not with respect to the meathat his own opinions on this subject were sure itself, but with respect to the remedy changed, but that his constituents had which they seek. As to the late riots, I also changed their opinions. This report think it unworthy of any man that the bad created a considerable ferment in that public indignation should be directed lo part of the country; and he was instructed individuals of any description; and what to state most unequivocally, that their I wished to impress on the minds of the opinions on the subject of the Corn laws people, when I had lately an opportunity were still the same.
of addressing them, was not to waste their Mr. Finlay said, in presenting two peti- efforts against the crude and futile meations the other day to the House, he had sure now under discussion, but to turn stated that the prayer of one of them was their whole attention to another evil, in favour of temporary restriction, and of which included in it all other evils-the the other, that the protecting price should corrupt state of the representation in par. not exceed 76s. In the debate he had liament. I have been represented out of said, that if the importation price were doors, as having abandoned my former reduced to 758. or 768. he thought he principles : it has been said that ihe landmight venture to state that it would not lord at length appears, and the patriot be dissatisfactory to a great part of the disappears; that I have allowed myself manufacturing district of Scotland; but to be swayed by private interest, and that whatever might be the feeling at one pe. this has stifled every other consideration. riod, he believed that at the present mo
may on the present occasion state, that I ment no corn bill which went to raise the have, individually and personally, no inimportation price above what it stood at interest whatever in the result of the prepresent would be acceptable among the sent measure ; that, be that result what it manufacturers. He retained his opinion may, it will neither add one farthing, nor unaltered, that an additional protection take one farthing from me.
With respect was necessary to the agriculturist. He to my little property-my
little establishthought that a protecting price of 76s. ment-I may, as every man's property is might be beneficial both to agriculture in some sort his kingdom, here say
that and manufactures.
my little kingdom has ever been on a
peace establishment. I have always rather WESTMINSTER Petition AGAINST The had a permanent state of ihings in view Corn Bill.] Sir Francis Burdett rose and than the taking advantage of any tenispoke to the following effect :-1 have porary circumstances, Whether, there. here, Sir, a Petition signed by 42,473 in- fore, the protecting price should be fixed habitants of Westminster against the Corn at '80s. or one shilling, or no shillings at
In Bill now before the House. In presenting all, is a matter of indifference to me. this petition, I cannot refrain from stating either case I have no interest: if the Bill (VOL. XXX.)