Mr. MICHEL. My next question, then, concerns prices of lunc The figure of 10 cents per lunch, or 104 cents per lunch, was mentio earlier, I believe. Mr. WELLS. Yes, sir. PRICES CHARGED FOR LUNCHES Mr. MICHEL. Have you got an average figure throughout the c try of what the schoolchildren are being charged for a lunch? Mr. DAVIS. 25 cents per lunch is the average. Mr. MICHEL. In other words, in schools participating, the Fed Government is picking up the tab for roughly 40 percent? Mr. WELLS. Oh, no. Mr. MICHEL. 10 cents out of 25 cents. Mr. DAVIS. No; the Federal contribution helps reduce the down to 25 cents. Mr. MICHEL. Do you have any kind of tables or figures that w show how that cost per lunch varies throughout the country? Mr. WELLS. I think we can get it by States. Mr. MICHEL. Would you furnish that list for the record by S as to what schoolchildren are being charged? Mr. DAVIS. I might just caution on that one. The charge vari school. You might get averages by States. I don't know how si icant it would be. But each school system runs its own school 1 program the best way it knows how, including determining what have to charge the student, so that the price will vary from munity to community. In Arlington, it is 39 cents, and in the Di of Columbia it is 27; down in the southern part of Virginia it n be as low in some communities as 20 cents. Mr. MICHEL. Well, maybe I better amend that request. Mr. HOLMAAS. Could I suggest this? On page 69 of the just tion notes, we have a breakdown which, in addition to showin Federal cash payments, section 6, and the donated commodities also shows separately the totals of the State and local Govern contributions, the other local contributions, and the estimated pay by children. Now, as I understood your request, if this were b down for each State in this same general pattern, and the nu of participating children shown, it would answer your questio believe we can take the various parts of the program and break it by State. Can we do that, Mr. Davis? This would answer the question of comparisons by State of the payments by childrenshould reflect the pattern of State by State variances in average charged for lunches. Mr. MICHEL. And then we would recognize it would be an average for the State? Mr. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. HOLMAAS. And we could supply that for the record. Mr. MICHEL. Would there be a possibility of also including the extremes in each State, lowest and highest? Mr. WELLS. I doubt if we know what they are. In every State, there are children who get free lunches, in many schools. The extreme is always no charge, for particular children, not for a whole school. Mr. SANTANGELO. Will the gentleman yield? With respect to your inquiry, a State like Louisiana, which subsidizes the program to a greater extent that the other States, because they make a larger State contribution and they get a better school lunch program than the other States do so that even though you might get your figures, you will be getting school lunches which would vary, and the type of food which varies. So even if you get the average price, you would be comparing unequal things. You will be comparing prices without any knowledge as to the type of lunch program that is being served. Mr. MICHEL. That is true. Mr. SANTANGELO. I did find out the State of Louisiana makes the greatest contribution of any State, and they give a better school lunch than any other State. So, if you want the analysis, you can have it. Mr. WELLS. You also have the differences in eastern Kentucky, for example. The people who prepare the school lunches draw very low wages. In the other places, you pay relatively high costs for cooks and services. But, nevertheless, I think the difference between States is of some interest. Mr. MICHEL. Well, if we simply break it down by States to form some pattern, that will serve my particular purpose. And then I can in turn correlate with that these other variances throughout the country, average labor costs, et cetera. Mr. WELLS. We would be very glad to have someone from the school lunch program sit down with you and go through this. (The information requested follows:) NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM Estimated income from sources within States, fiscal year 1958, and participation in California. Colorado. Connecticut. Delaware.. District of Columbia Florida.. $11,964,000 239,000 $418,000 14,000 $1,446, 000 64,000 320,702 4,180 3, 641, 000 484,000 942, 000 6, 223, 000 162,000 578,000 94, 594 192, 502 33, 957, 000 4,049.000 105,032 112,683 231,000 711,000 304,000 682,000 1,436,000 1,914, 000 3,000 1,297,000 291,000 18, 113 71,787 374, 365 428,856 564 92, 481 56, 523 417,780 45, 475,000 5, 559,000 8,795,000 1, 910, 000 1,318, 000 22, 735,000 19,879, 000 37,000 5,701,000 2,368,000 30, 615, 000 15,092, 000 11,657.000 6,500,000 12, 590,000 29, 230,000 2, 918,000 13,092,000 20,047.000 21, 832, 000 12, 885,000 7,960, 000 17, 205, 000 1,881.000 4,005. 000 570,000 1,874,000 11, 238,000 2,780,000 56, 972, 000 20,779,000 2,095, 000 31, 315, 000 7,582, 000 6, 454, 000 31, 540,000 6, 111, 000 1, 947, 000 11, 654, 000 1,438, 000 15. 198,000 26, 372,000 3,834,000 1,026,000 18, 139, 000 19, 132, 000 34,000 3,745,000 2,040,000 27, 251,000 13, 052,000 9, 784, 000 6, 000, 000 10,801,000 7, 950, 000 2,333,000 7,420,000 13, 114, 000 14,910, 000 9, 968,000 6,952, 000 13.084,000 1,465,000 2,998,000 412,000 1,402,000 6. 335.000 2,066. 000 25, 274, 000 18,599,000 1,474, 000 23,321,000 5,813,000 4,805,000 20, 843.000 8,000 1,222,000 9, 225,000 1, 128, 000 11,981, 000 22, 907, 000 3,068, 000 793.000 13, 217, 000 1,988, 000 91,000 1,939, 000 46,000 1,827,000 38.000 462,000 305, 374 235, 576 140.680 349,000 1,440.000 19,788,000 1,492,000 215,000 1,812, 000 5, 354, 000 1,735,000 1, 130, 000 370,000 803, 067 529,936 65, 547 423,000 240,000 I Dataf or the District of Columbia includes participation in the type C, or milk only, lunch authorized under the national school lunch program. Reimbusement for this type has been discontinued in the other States. NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM Price charged children for lunches (weighted average price and most frequent prices charged), fiscal year 19581 1 Data based on a survey in 32 States during fiscal year 1958. No data available for schools in other States. Most frequent prices charged children for lunches by schools surveyed. For those States in which 2 different prices occurred most frequently, both prices are shown. Mr. HORAN. Mr. Chairman, could I inquire why apples are not on this list of section 6 foods? Are these prior year listings? Mr. LENNARTSON. We bought substantial quantities of apple products in terms of applesauce and sliced apples, which they used for the making of pies and desserts, rather than the apples themselves. Mr. HORAN. It is an awfully good product. Mr. NATCHER. The committee will recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow. |